10-30-2019 03:11 PM
I've noticed that people selling VHS tapes that are filled with content, such as movies etc., also include 'sold as blanks'. Is there a reason for that? I have a feeling I know why but I want to make sure.
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10-31-2019 12:33 AM
10-31-2019 01:03 AM
At one time the Black Diamond Disney movies were selling for a lot of money. I don’t know why. I think some are still going for $$$.
10-31-2019 06:59 AM
@luckykey3 wrote:
@7606dennisThe Westminster Dog Show is live in New York City. There is someone selling one on Ebay. The listings title is : Recorded TV VHS Tape DOG Best in Show 1997 Commercials Westminster USA Network. So that's not allowed?
I would agree that it's technically not allowed. However, I would say unofficially that the odds of someone getting sued for selling a 22-year-old VHS cassette of someone's home recording of a televised dog show are... somewhat remote... as are the odds of selling it at all.
10-31-2019 07:07 AM
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.
I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
10-31-2019 08:10 AM
10-31-2019 08:24 AM - edited 10-31-2019 08:27 AM
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_green....WOW... it sure sounds like you know a lot about this stuff. I'm impressed. Thank you, and everyone else, for your info on this subject.
You're welcome... One other point that occurred to me after posting the above, as I am now of an age where I keep discovering that things I grew up with are now disappearing all around me (fax machine, anyone?): not a lot of people even have VCRs anymore. Best to unload old VHS tapes (especially household ones) while they have any reuse value at all.
Commercially recorded titles on VHS may still have collectible value, especially for titles that never made it onto DVD or Blu-ray. Commercial recordings on videotape have a much more fully-saturated signal on the tape than what a home machine could record, so a commercial movie on VHS that's been stored properly will look a lot better on-screen than anything recorded off TV on a home machine.
10-31-2019 08:37 AM
10-31-2019 11:14 AM
@luckykey3 wrote:
@7606dennisThe Westminster Dog Show is live in New York City. There is someone selling one on Ebay. The listings title is : Recorded TV VHS Tape DOG Best in Show 1997 Commercials Westminster USA Network. So that's not allowed?
I believe it would depend upon whether the seller has obtained the rights to use and sell the material from the copyright owner. Personally, I would doubt that it would be allowed.
10-31-2019 11:22 AM
@a_c_green wrote:
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
I would advise wiping the tapes of any recorded material prior to offering for sale, just in case one of the copyright owners decides to take you to the cleaners.
Of course, using the excuse that the tapes are being sold as blank as a way of circumventing copyright law when actually selling the recorded copyrighted material would be a very serious issue, I believe.
10-31-2019 01:52 PM - edited 10-31-2019 01:56 PM
@7606dennis wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
I would advise wiping the tapes of any recorded material prior to offering for sale, just in case one of the copyright owners decides to take you to the cleaners.
Of course, using the excuse that the tapes are being sold as blank as a way of circumventing copyright law when actually selling the recorded copyrighted material would be a very serious issue, I believe.
I believe people use the term "sold as blank" to imply that it was a blank tape at one time and can still be used as one again. Whatever happens to be on it is what it is.
Ebay has a rule about describing items properly....so in order to comply with that rule one would need to disclose the content on the VHS. Some buyers might want to know they aren't going to be receiving any offensive content.
Anyways, who's to say what is copyrighted and what isn't. There's plenty of non infringing content out there such as commercials, news reports, public domain, home movies of who knows what that people look for.
10-31-2019 02:56 PM
@magicjohnsonsvariety wrote:
@7606dennis wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
I would advise wiping the tapes of any recorded material prior to offering for sale, just in case one of the copyright owners decides to take you to the cleaners.
Of course, using the excuse that the tapes are being sold as blank as a way of circumventing copyright law when actually selling the recorded copyrighted material would be a very serious issue, I believe.
I believe people use the term "sold as blank" to imply that it was a blank tape at one time and can still be used as one again. Whatever happens to be on it is what it is.
Ebay has a rule about describing items properly....so in order to comply with that rule one would need to disclose the content on the VHS. Some buyers might want to know they aren't going to be receiving any offensive content.
Anyways, who's to say what is copyrighted and what isn't. There's plenty of non infringing content out there such as commercials, news reports, public domain, home movies of who knows what that people look for.
Actually, when it comes to the decision to what is protected by copyright that rests with the courts. However, most broadcast programs bear a copyright notice and are registered with the Copyright Office. The fact is that if the tape has something recorded on it, even though it is capable of being recorded over, that tape is not blank. Should that tape contain any copyrighted material, the owner of the copyright would have grounds for legal action against the seller. Because the copyright was registered, the rights owner could not only claim statutory damages but punitive damages as well.
While someone's home movies do receive a statutory copyright at the time they are created, they may not be a problem for the seller selling his own tapes. However, taping shows off the TV is a different matter.
If memory serves, several years ago the record companies went after people for copying songs that they had purchased for their own use. Unfortunately, they hadn't purchased the full rights to the material and didn't pay the royalties to the artists and the copyright owners and began to use these songs for commercial purposes. I believe that the courts sided with the record companies and meted out some hefty damages.
What would happen if the owner of some copyrighted piece of material decided to buy one of these "so called" blank tapes and discovered that it contained a copy of their copyrighted material? In order to protect their rights, they would almost certainly be required to file suit against the seller or lose their protection under the copyright act. This wouldn't go well for the seller, I wouldn't think.
10-31-2019 05:19 PM - edited 10-31-2019 05:21 PM
@7606dennis wrote:
@magicjohnsonsvariety wrote:
@7606dennis wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
I would advise wiping the tapes of any recorded material prior to offering for sale, just in case one of the copyright owners decides to take you to the cleaners.
Of course, using the excuse that the tapes are being sold as blank as a way of circumventing copyright law when actually selling the recorded copyrighted material would be a very serious issue, I believe.
I believe people use the term "sold as blank" to imply that it was a blank tape at one time and can still be used as one again. Whatever happens to be on it is what it is.
Ebay has a rule about describing items properly....so in order to comply with that rule one would need to disclose the content on the VHS. Some buyers might want to know they aren't going to be receiving any offensive content.
Anyways, who's to say what is copyrighted and what isn't. There's plenty of non infringing content out there such as commercials, news reports, public domain, home movies of who knows what that people look for.
Actually, when it comes to the decision to what is protected by copyright that rests with the courts. However, most broadcast programs bear a copyright notice and are registered with the Copyright Office. The fact is that if the tape has something recorded on it, even though it is capable of being recorded over, that tape is not blank. Should that tape contain any copyrighted material, the owner of the copyright would have grounds for legal action against the seller. Because the copyright was registered, the rights owner could not only claim statutory damages but punitive damages as well.
While someone's home movies do receive a statutory copyright at the time they are created, they may not be a problem for the seller selling his own tapes. However, taping shows off the TV is a different matter.
If memory serves, several years ago the record companies went after people for copying songs that they had purchased for their own use. Unfortunately, they hadn't purchased the full rights to the material and didn't pay the royalties to the artists and the copyright owners and began to use these songs for commercial purposes. I believe that the courts sided with the record companies and meted out some hefty damages.
What would happen if the owner of some copyrighted piece of material decided to buy one of these "so called" blank tapes and discovered that it contained a copy of their copyrighted material? In order to protect their rights, they would almost certainly be required to file suit against the seller or lose their protection under the copyright act. This wouldn't go well for the seller, I wouldn't think.
All I know it is pretty common.
I don't think copyright owners are gonna care much about poor quality VHS recordings.
Ebay policy specifically states movies recorded on VHS is prohibited...doesn't mention TV shows.
10-31-2019 05:34 PM
@magicjohnsonsvariety wrote:
@7606dennis wrote:
@magicjohnsonsvariety wrote:
@7606dennis wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@luckykey3 wrote:
@a_c_greenI just thought of something. I have some old VHS tapes of the Westminster Kennel Club dog show that is shown once a year that I've recorded ... so if I were to sell them they would be difficult to see on the flat screen TV's? I'd test them out on my flat screen but my tape deck no longer works ... and I don't want to sell poor quality to anyone ... IF I decide to sell them, that is.I wouldn't call them "difficult to see," but they would be grainy at best, and if played back on a different machine than the one that recorded it, you'd probably have to deal with tracking issues and perhaps a video noise bar of visual static along the top or bottom edges. You might need to adjust the monitor for proper display of the old 4:3 picture image, which in the correct orientation on a 16:9 screen would have a vertical black bar on either side of the image, not stretching it horizontally.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can sell used videotapes for reuse, but the programming on them is protected by copyright and is not supposed to be sold.
I would advise wiping the tapes of any recorded material prior to offering for sale, just in case one of the copyright owners decides to take you to the cleaners.
Of course, using the excuse that the tapes are being sold as blank as a way of circumventing copyright law when actually selling the recorded copyrighted material would be a very serious issue, I believe.
I believe people use the term "sold as blank" to imply that it was a blank tape at one time and can still be used as one again. Whatever happens to be on it is what it is.
Ebay has a rule about describing items properly....so in order to comply with that rule one would need to disclose the content on the VHS. Some buyers might want to know they aren't going to be receiving any offensive content.
Anyways, who's to say what is copyrighted and what isn't. There's plenty of non infringing content out there such as commercials, news reports, public domain, home movies of who knows what that people look for.
Actually, when it comes to the decision to what is protected by copyright that rests with the courts. However, most broadcast programs bear a copyright notice and are registered with the Copyright Office. The fact is that if the tape has something recorded on it, even though it is capable of being recorded over, that tape is not blank. Should that tape contain any copyrighted material, the owner of the copyright would have grounds for legal action against the seller. Because the copyright was registered, the rights owner could not only claim statutory damages but punitive damages as well.
While someone's home movies do receive a statutory copyright at the time they are created, they may not be a problem for the seller selling his own tapes. However, taping shows off the TV is a different matter.
If memory serves, several years ago the record companies went after people for copying songs that they had purchased for their own use. Unfortunately, they hadn't purchased the full rights to the material and didn't pay the royalties to the artists and the copyright owners and began to use these songs for commercial purposes. I believe that the courts sided with the record companies and meted out some hefty damages.
What would happen if the owner of some copyrighted piece of material decided to buy one of these "so called" blank tapes and discovered that it contained a copy of their copyrighted material? In order to protect their rights, they would almost certainly be required to file suit against the seller or lose their protection under the copyright act. This wouldn't go well for the seller, I wouldn't think.
All I know it is pretty common.
I don't think copyright owners are gonna care much about poor quality VHS recordings.
Ebay policy specifically states movies recorded on VHS is prohibited...doesn't mention TV shows.
Well I, for one, if I found someone infringing upon one of my copyrights would seek to protect my rights to the fullest extent of the law. I'm not sure whether a media production company would feel the same.
While I'm not sure why eBay would consider a TV program any different from a movie taped off of one's TV, however I wouldn't want to risk facing a lawsuit from some television production company that owns the rights to something I've sold.
10-31-2019 05:42 PM
10-31-2019 05:50 PM - edited 10-31-2019 05:51 PM
@luckykey3 wrote:
I'm wondering what the difference would be if I was sitting in the audience at Madison Square Garden in New York watching the Westminster Dog show taking place live and taped the goings on ..... and taping it in my livening room off of my television? Could they ... and how could they copyright it ?
Most venues having live performances don't permit the taping of those performances. Usually these prohibitions are posted or announced for the audiences benefit. Although I have seen security escort patrons off the property for violating rules. Have you ever read the fine print on the back of some event tickets?