12-06-2017 07:59 AM
Had a buyer do the most odd thing and when I saw it, red flags went up all over the place.
Here's what happened. I get a sale. Great! I go to start preparing it for shipping and I get another and another... boom....boom...six purchases OF THE VERY SAME ITEM one after the other. Six was all I had left, so now I know this is going to stop. I was logged in, I saw this all going on and by this point, I'm getting extraordinarily supsicious.
I go to "view my sales" and lo and behold the name and address is exactly the same on each sale. BUT, each sale had a different variation of the buyers user name. In other words, there were 6 different user names, 6 separate purchases, all for the same item. I found this odd and frankly, was afraid to process the orders out of a horrid fear of some serious trouble brewing.
I really didn't want to process those orders so I called eBay CS. Luckily I had someone who took a look at what happnened and actually understood my concerns. He said the only thing I could do is process each order separately to fulfill my sales but I was so worried I asked if I could cancel them instead w/o any negative repercussions. He said sure, I could do that and to use the "Something wrong with buyer's address" when I cancelled. He also suggested I pick one user name out of the six (CS rep said the person used the same email address) and send a message informing the buyer I was cancelling (right-o, makes sense) and requesting the buyer purchase all 6 in one purchase so I could combine the shipping.
Oh - the CS rep also sais this buyer was using the guest checkout. But still, why not just put 6 in the quantity and get them all in one shipment? Who would want to do six separate transactions for the very same item from the very same seller?
I did message the buyer as the rep suggested. Then I proceeded to cancel each sale. I never heard back from this mysterious buyer. I haven't relisted the item as yet because I don't want this character to do this all over again, but I'm really wondering:
1) What is the buyers end game?
2) Has anyone else experienced this and if so, how did you handle it?
I'm super concerned that this is a scam of sorts, but for the life of me, can't figure it out. A couple of days prior to this occurence I had a similar situation but the person only bought 2 of the same item to the same address with different user names and I did follow through shipping them, but I'm still concerned something is going to come back to bite me on them.
Thanks if you made it through this whole post - I tried to condense but I seem to have trouble doing that sometimes. . .
12-07-2017 09:27 AM
12-07-2017 10:00 AM
@penguins_dont_fly wrote:
@nawlinsron2 wrote:
Same here...have had the same buyer buy 2 or 3 pieces one at a time...but not 6.
Six might be cool if from the same ID...but what guest would have 6 IDs?
Guests, by their very definition, have a different eBay generated ID every time they purchase ...they don't login to eBay with an ID.
Ummm, I think people should read penguin's response (the words in blue).
I've had ebay "members" with a signifcant amount of feedback, not brand new "guests", buy things one at a time. Cart doesn't work or buyer doesn't know how to put "2" in the box. I've had buyers ask me if I had more than one of a widget, when it is clearly (to me) a listing of 5 available widgets. I've had buyers ask me about combined shipping if they purchase more than one, when that is clearly stated in the listing. I've had buyers ask me for specific measurements of a widget, when the measurements are clearly specified in the listing.
I could go on ...
OP - You need to hail a blue and point out the advice you received from CS. Bots run that cancel sale program, not someone (no matter how helpful) sitting in a call center.
12-07-2017 10:11 AM
Remember to also look at Paypal pmt to see if Buyer is verified on the bottom with the payment. If they are verified then it is much more safe and means address is confirmed as billing address on payment being used. Confirmed address does not necessarily means safe. When I run into suspicious purchase I double chk and also look and see if payment or the buyer is verified.
You can never be 100% sure but these are some of the things you can do. If someone has intention to rip you off then they have many ways to do especially with ebay.
12-07-2017 11:48 AM
@rei-npkrlma wrote:
I did do that first, emmefan1946 - email the buyer and let him know what I was going to do and that I'd be happy to proceed with the order in one transaction. Never heard a word back.
I really think something fishy was going on with those transactions. Lots and lots of credit card fraud going on these days - my mom just had two cards fraudulently used and we can't for the life of us figure out how that happened. She's 85 and barely leaves the house and when she does, she mostly just rides with me to get out a little bit. Anyway, I was hoping he'd contact me back so we could work together but the fact that he hasn't reaffirmed my feelings that there was something amiss here.
My father was the victim of identity theft and after the dust settled, the Feds said that it was from one of the charities dad gives money to, most of them are scams. And they are really sneaky about it.
And I see that most of the posters are leaving you to your own devices, but I am going to give you one last warning - do not trust the CS, they will say anything to get you off the phone and most of the time their advice is the worst thing that a seller can do.
Come here first and see what we say and then call, just to see what happens.
12-07-2017 12:32 PM
Okay, I have to tell a good story (I have plenty of time; I ended all of my listings )
Before the days of identity theft (pre computer) my father's billfold was stolen from his hotel room. He called all of the credit cards and did all that jazz.
A few days later his uncle died so my father and mother flew from Illinois to Florida, using my father's "new" AmEx number. Not knowing AmEx had simply issued a new card with the old number.
They got off the plane in Tampa, back in the days when you always had to walk across the tarmac, and immediately two guys with guns jumped in front of my father and said, "Are you ____ ____?" "Hands up." It was the FBI and he was going to be arrested for using a stolen card across state lines.
The best part was my mother's immediate response while being held at gunpoint in front of 100 people. She looked at my father and said, "What have you done now?"
12-07-2017 12:37 PM
Did you end your listings for Christmas vacation or making a statement?
12-07-2017 01:18 PM
12-07-2017 01:55 PM
@rei-npkrlma wrote:
Had a buyer do the most odd thing and when I saw it, red flags went up all over the place.
Here's what happened. I get a sale. Great! I go to start preparing it for shipping and I get another and another... boom....boom...six purchases OF THE VERY SAME ITEM one after the other. Six was all I had left, so now I know this is going to stop. I was logged in, I saw this all going on and by this point, I'm getting extraordinarily supsicious.
I go to "view my sales" and lo and behold the name and address is exactly the same on each sale. BUT, each sale had a different variation of the buyers user name. In other words, there were 6 different user names, 6 separate purchases, all for the same item. I found this odd and frankly, was afraid to process the orders out of a horrid fear of some serious trouble brewing.
I really didn't want to process those orders so I called eBay CS. Luckily I had someone who took a look at what happnened and actually understood my concerns. He said the only thing I could do is process each order separately to fulfill my sales but I was so worried I asked if I could cancel them instead w/o any negative repercussions. He said sure, I could do that and to use the "Something wrong with buyer's address" when I cancelled. He also suggested I pick one user name out of the six (CS rep said the person used the same email address) and send a message informing the buyer I was cancelling (right-o, makes sense) and requesting the buyer purchase all 6 in one purchase so I could combine the shipping.
Oh - the CS rep also sais this buyer was using the guest checkout. But still, why not just put 6 in the quantity and get them all in one shipment? Who would want to do six separate transactions for the very same item from the very same seller?
I did message the buyer as the rep suggested. Then I proceeded to cancel each sale. I never heard back from this mysterious buyer. I haven't relisted the item as yet because I don't want this character to do this all over again, but I'm really wondering:
1) What is the buyers end game?
2) Has anyone else experienced this and if so, how did you handle it?
I'm super concerned that this is a scam of sorts, but for the life of me, can't figure it out. A couple of days prior to this occurence I had a similar situation but the person only bought 2 of the same item to the same address with different user names and I did follow through shipping them, but I'm still concerned something is going to come back to bite me on them.
Thanks if you made it through this whole post - I tried to condense but I seem to have trouble doing that sometimes. . .
Hi @rei-npkrlma, while I can't discuss the specifics here on the boards, if you look at the usernames for these transactions they are what you would typically find for a guest account. I understand that this raised some alarm for you and I think it is great that you called eBay for advice, but I feel that you may have been given inappropriate guidance on these transactions. What most likely happened here is you had a buyer purchase 6 items from you and they simply did not know now to change the quantity during checkout. Additionally, it is unlikely you would receive a response to your message when a member is having difficulty navigating the site as it appears was the case here. This is a particularly common occurence around the Holidays as members come to the site for the first time to make a purchase.
12-07-2017 02:09 PM
12-07-2017 02:48 PM
but I feel that you may have been given inappropriate guidance on these transactions...
Ya think?
12-07-2017 03:19 PM
@ittybitnot wrote:but I feel that you may have been given inappropriate guidance on these transactions...
Ya think?
only part missing there is the ......... "we will provide additional trainig for that CSR"🙂
and I guess the unwritten/unstated........ "sorry for you"
12-07-2017 07:03 PM
@Anonymous wrote:
@rei-npkrlma wrote:Had a buyer do the most odd thing and when I saw it, red flags went up all over the place.
Here's what happened. I get a sale. Great! I go to start preparing it for shipping and I get another and another... boom....boom...six purchases OF THE VERY SAME ITEM one after the other. Six was all I had left, so now I know this is going to stop. I was logged in, I saw this all going on and by this point, I'm getting extraordinarily supsicious.
I go to "view my sales" and lo and behold the name and address is exactly the same on each sale. BUT, each sale had a different variation of the buyers user name. In other words, there were 6 different user names, 6 separate purchases, all for the same item. I found this odd and frankly, was afraid to process the orders out of a horrid fear of some serious trouble brewing.
I really didn't want to process those orders so I called eBay CS. Luckily I had someone who took a look at what happnened and actually understood my concerns. He said the only thing I could do is process each order separately to fulfill my sales but I was so worried I asked if I could cancel them instead w/o any negative repercussions. He said sure, I could do that and to use the "Something wrong with buyer's address" when I cancelled. He also suggested I pick one user name out of the six (CS rep said the person used the same email address) and send a message informing the buyer I was cancelling (right-o, makes sense) and requesting the buyer purchase all 6 in one purchase so I could combine the shipping.
Oh - the CS rep also sais this buyer was using the guest checkout. But still, why not just put 6 in the quantity and get them all in one shipment? Who would want to do six separate transactions for the very same item from the very same seller?
I did message the buyer as the rep suggested. Then I proceeded to cancel each sale. I never heard back from this mysterious buyer. I haven't relisted the item as yet because I don't want this character to do this all over again, but I'm really wondering:
1) What is the buyers end game?
2) Has anyone else experienced this and if so, how did you handle it?
I'm super concerned that this is a scam of sorts, but for the life of me, can't figure it out. A couple of days prior to this occurence I had a similar situation but the person only bought 2 of the same item to the same address with different user names and I did follow through shipping them, but I'm still concerned something is going to come back to bite me on them.
Thanks if you made it through this whole post - I tried to condense but I seem to have trouble doing that sometimes. . .
Hi @rei-npkrlma, while I can't discuss the specifics here on the boards, if you look at the usernames for these transactions they are what you would typically find for a guest account. I understand that this raised some alarm for you and I think it is great that you called eBay for advice, but I feel that you may have been given inappropriate guidance on these transactions. What most likely happened here is you had a buyer purchase 6 items from you and they simply did not know now to change the quantity during checkout. Additionally, it is unlikely you would receive a response to your message when a member is having difficulty navigating the site as it appears was the case here. This is a particularly common occurence around the Holidays as members come to the site for the first time to make a purchase.
Trinton... eBay CS is leading this OP by the hand directly into a policy violation. This has been happening over and over and over and over again for going on two decades now.
It has happened and continues to happen so often and so consistently it almost seems as if CS is a buzz saw for sellers... by design.
We've heard the "rogue CSR" line for eons, but I've never, ever, EVER heard of ONE going "rogue" with good results for the seller. It's like Lucy with the football vs. Charlie Brown.
"Yes, I agree that your item is indeed authentic. Go ahead and relist" BOOM.
"Yes, I agree that you are in the right. Go ahead and escalate the case and we will find in your favor" BOOM
"Sure, go ahead and cancel that transaction" BOOM
"Of course your item being pulled for violating the Cuba ban/ Ivory ban,(take your pick) is in error. Go ahead and relist" BOOM
And on, and on, and on.
We've even had sellers report that they watched cases being closed in the buyers favor as the eBay CSR is telling them the exact opposite. When they said "Hey- wait a minute", the CSRs ALWAYS seemed to feed them the same line: "Oh, they all show up like that in the beginning. You'll see it change within 48 hours".
BOOM.
You CANNOT convince me that this is all just random... consistently random... sorry.
Is this any way for eBay to treat their paying customers?
12-07-2017 09:42 PM
Additionally, it is unlikely you would receive a response to your message when a member is having difficulty navigating the site as it appears was the case here. This is a particularly common occurence around the Holidays as members come to the site for the first time to make a purchase.
I would think making this NOT be the case should be an especially high priority for eBay to correct. Customer acquisition and retention is kind of important. So is communication, and I'm not sure how that works with a "guest" with no off-eBay communications allowed.
12-08-2017 08:25 AM
@pvcliff wrote:
@sin-n-dex wrote:
@rei-npkrlma wrote:The CS rep assured me I wouldn't get any violations so I have to cling to that and all the calls are recorded, so I feel okay with the way it went. As for cancelling, I still feel better about
That's not true. They do not record all calls, listen to the recorded calls or look up calls. You need to get a call number and agents name and ask for notes to be made "if you need to call back and discuss this with someone else". No call number for you, they didn't write anything they said down. There's no record.
You will have to call back and plead your case again if you find yourself with defects, but you might not get defects unless the buyer calls and complains.
Cheers, C.
What I found interesting is without a call number or any other information, a second CS knew I had just called about the same problem one time. This was at least 4-5 years ago, and I was following the "call back to see if I get an answer more to my liking" rule. Started to tell my story and was told "I see you just called, blah blah blah".
Whenever I haven't gotten a call number (that's what they call it, some people say case number), I have to start over when I call back. I make sure on the more annoying cases that I get the case number once things are being resolved and tell them to make notes. I don't ask for a case number when I get a script reader (hint, he said "I can't remove the defect because your reason is not on my list", I told him to use his brain and think for a second about what I'm saying).
Cheers, C.
12-08-2017 08:43 AM
@ittybitnot wrote:but I feel that you may have been given inappropriate guidance on these transactions...
Ya think?
And along with:
Additionally, it is unlikely you would receive a response to your message when a member is having difficulty navigating the site as it appears was the case here.
Why is this shopping site so difficult to navigate in the first place(now)?
Funny how it was so easy back in the early days - everyone knew how to write a check or get a money order and mail it.