Spring Notice is Game ender

[tdebuys]

 Look, eBay has been good to me.  They forced me into Paypal and after I studied the reasons it made sense and was a good place to be for doing any on line buying.  But I've studied the Managed Payments Program and the only one that benefits here is eBay.  They take my ad construction and my product to make a sale and then they charge me for selling it, shipping it, and they refund a customer without my consent and expect me to ship before I'm paid for my goods.  How does any of that benefit me?   You can spin it any way you want to, but I'm loosing all control over my sales, my bank account, and payments receivables.  Gee I love what I've been able to do on eBay.  I am just sick to see it end this way.  But I see nothing in it that will improve anything for me.  Now someone will say then you should go.  To which I say go jump in the lake.  I have no choice but to go I'm just praying a new selling platform will open up using Paypal as it's primary money handler for sales.  I'll stay here as long as I can, but the day I get told I have to convert to managed payments is my last.  Bit a threat or a complaint, just a fact.

[dhbookds]

Certainly your choice............

I just don't see that much difference in MP......paypal, except for having to wait a few more days for the money....which I never withdrew immediately anyway....

Every online venue is going to have rules..........go study the rest of them......they are also going to want to make as much money for their stockholders as they can, that's what management is paid for.........remember etsy went to their own payment system before ebay.....

Good luck in finding your special place! 

[fern*wood]

Managed payments may not improve selling on ebay for you, but it doesn't take away the ability to make money by selling on ebay and that is all I wish to do in the end.   

[ise710]

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@tdebuys wrote:

 Look, eBay has been good to me. 

But I've studied the Managed Payments Program and the only one that benefits here is eBay. 

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Can you blame them? For decades, we've been abusing eBay. We get the buyer's cash instantly, pay PayPal, but eBay has to wait up to 30 days to be paid, if ever, long after we've already shipped, got the feedback, even repeat sales before eBay sees a cent.

So obviously eBay has been thinking up ways to manage paybacks on us, and Managed Paybacks was the answer. Plus, PayPal was too expensive for eBay, if only to clear debit/credit cards, so going overseas to Adyen in the Neanderthalands was that answer, since like labor, costs overseas are cheaper. And with multiple remote Adyen offices around the world, our privacy is more secure since there are multiple points of egress; think Edward Snowden with remote access in Hawaii, no offense Bruce.

Cheaper, faster, better. Advantage eBay now, sellers take it ... or leave.

[inhawaii]

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@tdebuys wrote:

  But I've studied the Managed Payments Program and the only one that benefits here is eBay. 

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So what's wrong with that?  Ebay wants to make more money just as much as you and I do. 

When is the last time you made a change to benefit your customers?  I can't remember the last time i did, if ever.  I always make changes to benefit myself. 

Good luck and stay safe!

[kensgiftshop]

@tdebuys 

So they have been talking about it and switching sellers over for more then two years now, and you're just hearing about it?

Other then waiting a couple days to receive the funds, it's not much different.

[chapeau-noir]

Good luck in your future endeavours! 

[yuzuha]

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@dhbookds wrote:

Certainly your choice............

I just don't see that much difference in MP......paypal, except for having to wait a few more days for the money....which I never withdrew immediately anyway....

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MP has made literally zero difference to me, since I never transferred money from PayPal to my bank account more than twice a month either. Instead, it's made things much easier for me because now I don't need to remember to pay fees on a regular basis/keep money in PayPal to pay fees. I don't have to go manually transfer money every time I want it in my bank account rather than in PayPal. Fees come out right up front and anything that goes into my bank account is pure profit.

[dbfolks166mt]

     By eBay's own admission the main driver for MP was to increase profit for the shareholders which is the primary goal of every publically traded business in the U.S. Things work about the same for me under MP as they did before. I did however open a separate bank account to handle the eBay transactions partially for security reasons and partially for easier book keeping. 

     It did open up multiple ways for buyers to pay for purchases which may be a good or a bad thing depending on how much credit card fraud takes place but so far I have not had to deal with any issues related to that. 

[shado-x]

They take my ad construction and my product to make a sale and then they charge me for selling it, shipping it, and they refund a customer without my consent and expect me to ship before I'm paid for my goods. How does any of that benefit me? You can spin it any way you want to, but I'm loosing all control over my sales, my bank account, and payments receivables...

I don't understand your premise here.  You are paid for your goods, you ship via pending funds with a massive shipping discount to boot.  They do not refund a customer without consent; instead, they put a hold on funds.  If you refund before a hold is released, the hold returns back to your account. If you don't like that, then you adapt and build a reserve.  Just because PayPal Juice gave you a faster access to cash doesn't mean it was safer.  In the end, Managed Payments is 1000 times better than the previous eBay/PayPal arrangement.  You have to get over the fact that 1) "This is a Business" (See the movie Purple Rain), and 2) eBay no longer owns PayPal because that previously used Silicon Valley financier is no longer an Internet oligopoly, other ways came in like Apple Pay; Google Pay; et al.

I have no choice but to go I'm just praying a new selling platform will open up using Pay[P]al as it's primary money handler for sales.

But you still have PayPal.  After the cash is dumped into your bank account, you can transfer it to PayPal and use it there......as if nothing happened.

Now someone will say then you should go. To which I say go jump in the lake.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[bimm_corp · Accepted solution]

@tdebuys 

>But I've studied the Managed Payments Program and the only one that benefits here is eBay. 

You got that right. eBay (and the "Cheerleading Squad") telling sellers how they were going to save money with MP, and then they announce a fee increase in the 2021 Spring update. A real class act, eBay.

[akejama]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT bimm_corp I have been run over by the eBAy trolls and "Cheerleading Squad".  Such a lot of **bleep** spouted from within their realm... According to them I am now and have been "ABUSING EBAY" because I used the service..Did you go on down and read the **bleep** they are collectively spouting.  EGADS the spin machine is in full operational force.  How can you even keep a straight face and make such ludicrous arguments.  Basically, with this change Ebay is taking away ALL seller control.... ALL and then have the sheer audacity to tell us it is for our benefit.  RIGHT!   One of them is telling me I get HUGE SHIPPING DISCOUNTS FROM EBAY...and my answer is.... how can someone ship something from China that costs $3. with free delivery?   Go ahead, explain that when it costs me $5 to send a package to 20 miles. I think we know who owns eBay.

[akejama]

They do not refund a customer without consent; instead, they put a hold on funds. If you refund before a hold is released, the hold returns back to your account. If you don't like that, then you adapt and build a reserve.

Sorry charlie tuna but this is NOT how it works.... finish the story.....if I don't refund they DO IT FOR ME no matter what the customer's complaint is.  No MATTER!   They wear it, use it, abuse it, and claim a return and ebay makes me refund them no matter or they do it for me.

[atomicagetoys]

Here is my problem..I only used paypal [balance] to keep track of my sales on Ebay. I had a pool in PP to buy things for me based on sales. I'm an antique toy collector ..It was my way to keep track of mad money..Now it just gets deposited in the checking account..It just made things easy.