SELLER FEES

[tons_of_sheet]

EVERYONE HAS IT WRONG. EBAY IS CHARGING SELLERS FEES ON TOP OF WHAT THE PRODUCT SELLS FOR. EX, YOU SELL AN ITEM FOR $100.00.. IF TAX TO THAT STATE IS 10% EBAY ADDS THAT COST INTO THE TOTAL VALUE. NOW YOUR ITEM IN THEORY SOLD FOR $110.00. THEN IF YOU ITEM COST FOR SHIPPING IS $10.00, EBAY ADDS THAT INTO THE TOTAL SALE. THUS YOU ARE NOW AT $120.00

SO EBAY IS ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING YOUR SALE PRICE. WHY ARE WE PAYING FEES ON $120.00? WHEN OUR ITEM SOLD FOR $100.00?  BECAUSE ITS EBAYS PLATFORM AND UNTIL THERE IS BETTER COMPETITION WE WILL SUFFER.

ON TOP OF THAT, EBAY NOW CHARGES U A PROMOTIONAL FEE RATE. THAT RATE CAN BE ANYWHERE  FROM 2-20% ON TOP OF THE FEES EBAY ALREADY CHARGES.  

[meme6253]

He is expressing his Anger by using all caps!, So yeah he is yelling, It's not difficult to read let's get real.

[retro_entertainment_collectibles]

FVF fee's for most part are fine but there is a threshold where they are not.  If you consider low ticket items and the total w/ FVF based on sale total + .30 cents the final revenue that a seller get no matter how a seller wrangle the numbers makes it either A. Not worth while doing or B. They bump price which may be worse than "A" for the site as a whole.

A $6 item w/ say $6 shipping, .30 processing fee and say 10% tax rate gifts $1.23 taxes totaling out $13.53

13.25% FVF = $1.80 leaving the seller $4.20 on the sale, so the actual sale against sales cost ratio is .20 cents shy of 33%.

Now as the USPS continue drive higher costs even when passed unto the consumer the seller rev's get clipped along with those changes.  Tendency going to be "Well I raise the price" and the more prices go up inside this place the less attractive it becomes and many sellers are not too "Hmmm..."  That is to say find the balance and use it.  If for example I were selling $6 widgets that cost $6 ship I be going they are $8 widgets which cost $4 to ship as far what consumer sees.  You dont hit the "Sweet ratio" of cost versus shipping many buyers go, "Uhh no."

Its why free shipping is attractive and not free shipping add cost the price.  REAL free shipping such as Staples or Macy's does.  REAL free shipping allows for an immediate line item write off, thats the difference.

Perspective:

Widget "X" sells here for $40 and the seller built in $10 shipping cost and claims free ship.

Staples has Widget "X" same price, $30 but does REAL free ship and we'll call that $10 actual cost. Line item write off, now $20 reported versus $40 reported.  Understand in as simplistic as I can make it.

[retro_entertainment_collectibles]

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@meme6253 wrote:

We are being eaten alive!

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Well you still look marvelous with you're skin laying all over the floor.

[isaiah53-57]

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@tons_of_sheet  wrote:

"AS A PUBLICLY HELD COMPANY WITH A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO ITS SHAREHOLDERS, EBAY MUST DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO SHOW A PROFIT EVEN IF ITS AT IT SELLERS DETRIMENT."
@monroe67 wrote:

I guess that's technically true, as the responsibilities of corporations are to their shareholders.  In my experience and opinion, eBay also tries to make things beneficial for both their sellers and their buyers.  Sure, there are a few things I'm not thrilled about, like showing photos from my competitors to any prospective buyer who looks at listings posted under my selling ID.  But I accept this as What It Is.  It is a Thing I cannot change.  

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"In my experience and opinion, eBay also tries to make things beneficial for both their sellers and their buyers."

AHHHHHHhahahahHAHAHAHhahaha... and what have they done exactly to do that??... Wow talk about drinking the Kool-aide... Anything you can name, I'll name 5 more things they did/do that shows the exact opposite of the caring company you espouse...

"Sure, there are a few things I'm not thrilled about...  But I accept this as What It Is.  It is a Thing I cannot change."

OK...could that statement be any more defeatist? or worse yet, designed propaganda to make people believe they have no recourse for their dissatisfaction here? If women didnt express their dissatisfaction and take action, would they have the right to vote? If coal miners didnt unionize, would they still be forced to work 16 hr shifts with no ventilation? You get the point. There is PLENTY you can do to express your contempt and dissatisfaction - I have sold likely over a million items here and have a million more to sell - Look at my listings - that will show you EXACTLY what I did to express my dissatisfaction with actions by the company I perceived as unscrupulous and contemptuous.  I also dont promote the company to friends and family...I used to, but now in fact, its the exact opposite. Im taking action to do something about my dissatisfaction - If more people DID, the company would ACTUALLY do something about "making thing(s) more beneficial for sellers and their buyers"

[soh.maryl]

Thank you.  I didn't understand those two statements about the "heavier your item is to ship, the larger percentage goes to eBay".  Really would like that poster to explain that.  Of course, if I sell an item for $50  and shipping, based on weight and distance is $10, then of course my FVF is higher than if I had sold a $50 item with shipping of $5, just makes sense.  

[soh.maryl]

What are the many other criteria that eBay could use in assessing fees?

[solidguitar1961]

So I lost $.62 on a $5 shipping payment but saved a $1.21 by buying the shipping label from Ebay .

[monroe67]

" 'Sure, there are a few things I'm not thrilled about...  But I accept this as What It Is.  It is a Thing I cannot change.'

OK...could that statement be any more defeatist? or worse yet, designed propaganda to make people believe they have no recourse for their dissatisfaction here? If women didnt express their dissatisfaction and take action, would they have the right to vote? If coal miners didnt unionize, would they still be forced to work 16 hr shifts with no ventilation? You get the point. There is PLENTY you can do to express your contempt and dissatisfaction - I have sold likely over a million items here and have a million more to sell - Look at my listings - that will show you EXACTLY what I did to express my dissatisfaction with actions by the company I perceived as unscrupulous and contemptuous.  I also dont promote the company to friends and family...I used to, but now in fact, its the exact opposite. Im taking action to do something about my dissatisfaction - If more people DID, the company would ACTUALLY do something about 'making thing(s) more beneficial for sellers and their buyers' "

Wow.  Selling on eBay is comparable to working as a coal miner a century or more in the past?  

You say, "I have sold likely over a million items here and have a million more to sell."  "Likely"?  I'll help you.  eBay says you have sold 2.4K items under the eBay user name "isaiah53-57."  Two thousand, four hundred items.  Not to say you are being untruthful or that you can't remember.   You may have sold more than a million items on eBay under different IDs.  

You say, "Look at my listings", so I did, by clicking "View listings".  Zero current listings and zero Sold Items and Completed Items.  Your feedback shows two -- 2, dos, zwei, deux -- feedback you received as a seller, and those are within the last year, totaling around $100.00-$101.00.  Again, you might have listings under another ID.  I don't recall you ever mentioning another ID in any of your postings.

I'll save you the time it takes to click "View listings" for my posting ID, monroe67.  That ID has no current listings, because I sell under a different eBay seller ID.  I have never hidden that fact.  My selling ID has only been active for 11 or 12 years, and I never intended my eBay selling as a way to keep a roof over my head and food on the table -- not quite like an immigrant coal miner 100 years ago or more.  

You say, "There is PLENTY you can do to express your contempt and dissatisfaction."  That right there is a basic difference between "isaiah53-57" and "monroe67" (besides my ability to read and to comprehend the calculation of percentages).  I simply do not feel the same contempt and dissatisfaction with eBay that you do.  Can you accept the fact that other people can have different opinions than yours?  

You say, "that will show you EXACTLY what I did to express my dissatisfaction with actions by the company I perceived as unscrupulous and contemptuous."  I think regular readers of your posts do already know exactly what you did to express your dissatisfaction.  You perceive eBay as an "unscrupulous and contemptuous" [sic] company.  I do not.  

I would love to express my contempt about some of the things I read here in these forums.  But I learned long ago that disagreements do not need to be disagreeable, and I will always choose not to be disagreeable.  You seem that you will not be happy unless you can burn eBay to the ground.  

One other thing:  If you truly believe that Accepting the Things You Cannot Change is a defeatist attitude, you are more blessed than you know.  

[reallynicestamps]

REAL free shipping such as Staples or Macy's does.

Oh my sweet summer child.

Neither has 'free' shipping.

Just like eBay sellers they work their cost of shipping into the price of their items.

But

They pay less for the item and less for shipping because of economies of scale.

[dbfolks166mt]

FVF fee's for most part are fine but there is a threshold where they are not.  If you consider low ticket items and the total w/ FVF based on sale total + .30 cents the final revenue that a seller get no matter how a seller wrangle the numbers makes it either A. Not worth while doing or B. They bump price which may be worse than "A" for the site as a whole.

A $6 item w/ say $6 shipping, .30 processing fee and say 10% tax rate gifts $1.23 taxes totaling out $13.53

13.25% FVF = $1.80 leaving the seller $4.20 on the sale, so the actual sale against sales cost ratio is .20 cents shy of 33%.

     Your calculations are off a bit. Even assuming the seller pays exactly the same for the shipping label as what the buyer paid the seller which is often not the case then. 

   If the seller actually purchased the label at the discounted rate of $4.50 then the effective eBay rate does not change but the shipping expense percentage drops and the sellers ROI increases. 

[solidguitar1961]

$5.45 of $6 is 91% .  The way your chart is set up is showing the shipping as an expense but the buyer paid the shipping cost.

[dbfolks166mt]

Oh okay thanks. Looking at your line items again there is hardly any difference between the  $7.70  payout in my example and the $7.55 payout in yours.  After seeing how much further you take it, I'd like to hire you to do my taxes this year!

   Unfortunately I retired from doing other peoples taxes several years ago. 

[mam98031]

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@joeb5281 wrote:

because ebay is losing customers to other companies. they are trying to charge me for an agents mistake of refunding a buyer that returned an item to the wrong address and they sided with him, WITHOUT LOOKING INTO THE MATTER,  and i have proof it went to a wrong address, im not paying for their mistakes, 

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@joeb5281 

It sounds correct that buyers also buy from other companies.  When you become a buyer here it doesn't mean they don't buy anywhere else.  And you are correct, in recent years we have lost a lot of buyers for a variety of reasons, not always because they are unhappy with the sellers they dealt with on Ebay, but likely a good number of them were dissatisfied with their transactions.

In the normal course of an INAD being processed, it is unlikely an "agent" was involved.  Unless you called and got one involved or the buyer did.

Ebay does NOT investigate stuff like this.  If you have proof the buyer abused the system, you need to contact Ebay and give them the proof.  If you can actually prove what you say above, then Ebay will likely work with you.

Stomping your feet saying you won't pay will do nothing for you in stopping it.  You will pay if Ebay says you will.  But you have the power to get that changed since you say you have the proof to show the buyer abused the system.  All you need to do is share it with Ebay.

[mam98031]

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@storage-locker-aficionados wrote:

I am not upset. I am simply stating facts. I would like to see fees reduced. eBay could use many other criteria to to assess fees 

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My post was not directed to you UNLESS you are also the OP of this thread using another ID to post with.

And if you are the OP, you are not stating any "facts" that the vast majority of sellers haven't been aware of for YEARS.  Because you just realized it doesn't make it new to anyone but you.

[mam98031]

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

REAL free shipping such as Staples or Macy's does.

Oh my sweet summer child.

Neither has 'free' shipping.

Just like eBay sellers they work their cost of shipping into the price of their items.

But

They pay less for the item and less for shipping because of economies of scale.

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Absolutely correct.  It is the same for everyone.  Other companies don't get carriers to deliver their goods for no cost.

Free shipping is a Marketing program and nothing more.  It was created years before Ebay adopted it.  I think it was created by Target.