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Received Return request saying 'item not working' on New item with warranty

Hi Guys,

I sold new item that was never opened, in original package and moreover it comes with manufacturer warranty and I received return request. Buyer clams it doesn't work, which is hard to believe since it was brand new and never opened.

There's slight chance the product he/she bought is incompatible with their hardware (its hardware part), but even so that shouldn't be a ground for return.

My listing says 'returns not accepted'.

But there's no even such option to decline the return request!

I replied to buyer, but ebay gives few days to respond to return request, and my reply doesn't seem to count as respond.

What will happen if I don't take any action besides replying to buyer?

Thanks!

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@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@missjen831 wrote:

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@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@bubbleman2010 wrote:

Like I said no sense waiting a person doesn't need a crystal ball to figure out the outcome and if you leave it up to ebay to decide I know you won't like that outcome.


What do I loose if I don't do anything, besides possible issues for future selling?

I am not going to sell here anything anymore. I've seen enough.

brian.t said buyer have to return item anyway. If I accept return - its the same outcome. There's a chance buyer wan't escalate etc.


If the buyer asks ebay to step in, they might not be told to return the item. I believe Brian was confirming that when the seller has a "no returns policy", it does not mean the buyer gets an immediate refund without returning the item. Its not ebays policy to issue an automatic refund when a return is escalated to ebay.

 

The Money Back Guarantee does say that if a seller refuses to accept a return or does not pay for return shipping, that the buyer may be refunded without having to return the item. THAT is the risk you are taking here if you don't accept the return.


Looks like nobody knows how system works for 'no return' listings in case seller accept return either. Lottery in any case. And memory is used now, and possibly buyer bought it to exchange with broken module.


I know exactly how it works and I already explained it. I’m not sure what is causing you confusion now? Your return policy is completely irrelevant now. It applies to remorse returns. Your buyer requested a not as described return. So you have to go in and accept it and then eBay will notify the buyer, issue them a label and give them a return by date. 


He described it as 'Doesn't work or defective'.


That is a “not as described return”. There are 2 return categories here-buyers remorse and not as described (or SNAD). Buyers remorse would be changed mind, ordered by mistake, wrong side or doesn’t fit. Doesn’t work or defective, missing pieces, wrong item sent and does not match the description or pictures are not as described returns. So you have to either accept the return or if you are the gambling time, stay silent and hope he doesn’t ask eBay to step in 🙂


Well I loose anyway. I called customer service and after 1 hour of useless blah blah blah I persuaded them to create a case - they gave me a case #. Also said to call tomorrow to escalate it. 

Took only an hour to get to a rep - almost forgot that I'm calling:)


So you know then, that they didn’t open a case? The case number is probably made up. If a case had been opened, you wouldn’t have to call back tomorrow. Because a case....is nothing more than an escalated return request. So...no case has been opened yet 🙂


You have no mercy;)

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@stridder123 wrote:

@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@bubbleman2010 wrote:

Like I said no sense waiting a person doesn't need a crystal ball to figure out the outcome and if you leave it up to ebay to decide I know you won't like that outcome.


What do I loose if I don't do anything, besides possible issues for future selling?

I am not going to sell here anything anymore. I've seen enough.

brian.t said buyer have to return item anyway. If I accept return - its the same outcome. There's a chance buyer wan't escalate etc.


If the buyer asks ebay to step in, they might not be told to return the item. I believe Brian was confirming that when the seller has a "no returns policy", it does not mean the buyer gets an immediate refund without returning the item. Its not ebays policy to issue an automatic refund when a return is escalated to ebay.

 

The Money Back Guarantee does say that if a seller refuses to accept a return or does not pay for return shipping, that the buyer may be refunded without having to return the item. THAT is the risk you are taking here if you don't accept the return.


Looks like nobody knows how system works for 'no return' listings in case seller accept return either. Lottery in any case. And memory is used now, and possibly buyer bought it to exchange with broken module.


I know exactly how it works and I already explained it. I’m not sure what is causing you confusion now? Your return policy is completely irrelevant now. It applies to remorse returns. Your buyer requested a not as described return. So you have to go in and accept it and then eBay will notify the buyer, issue them a label and give them a return by date. 


He described it as 'Doesn't work or defective'.


Yes, that's what a SNAD is.

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Return accepted. The gamble is on buyer's side now

Everybody thank you for help!

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@bubbleman2010 wrote:

Your first statement says you don't issue buyers refunds and allow them to keep the item. Then down below you state .... If a refund isn't started in this timeframe, we'll automatically issue the refund on your behalf...... Does the buyer have to return anything before you issue a refund?


Hi @bubbleman2010, I apologize if my statement wasn't clear. When looking at the entire sentence, I did state that the item needs to be delivered for an automatic refund to occur. For reference, here is entire sentence, " If they do ship it back within 5 business days, you'll have 2 business days to issue a refund to your buyer once it's been delivered to you." An automatic refund will only occur after the item has been delivered back to the seller. Let me know if I can clarify this further! 

Brian,
Community Team
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So if a seller fails to respond to a dispute ebay now requires a buyer to return the merchandise before ebay refunds the buyer?

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@missjen831 wrote:

@stridder123 wrote:

@bubbleman2010 wrote:

Like I said no sense waiting a person doesn't need a crystal ball to figure out the outcome and if you leave it up to ebay to decide I know you won't like that outcome.


What do I loose if I don't do anything, besides possible issues for future selling?

I am not going to sell here anything anymore. I've seen enough.

brian.t said buyer have to return item anyway. If I accept return - its the same outcome. There's a chance buyer wan't escalate etc.


If the buyer asks ebay to step in, they might not be told to return the item. I believe Brian was confirming that when the seller has a "no returns policy", it does not mean the buyer gets an immediate refund without returning the item. Its not ebays policy to issue an automatic refund when a return is escalated to ebay.

 

The Money Back Guarantee does say that if a seller refuses to accept a return or does not pay for return shipping, that the buyer may be refunded without having to return the item. THAT is the risk you are taking here if you don't accept the return.


Hi @missjen831, it's very uncommon for us to issue a refund without having the item returned. Some examples of when we would not have an item returned are if the item would be hazardous to ship (like broken glass) or when a seller refuses cover return shipping for an international return. In almost all other situations we will require the buyer to return the item. In the situation the OP described, we would require the buyer return the item for a refund.

Brian,
Community Team
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brian@ebay

How should I proceed if memory modules appear to be good? Buyer return is says 'defective or not working'. Incompatability e.g. with buyer hardware is not 'defective or not working', and thus abuse of return policy.

They are used now, so I loose money b/c of this and shipping cost in both ways

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That is NOT true! Ebay does NOT allow buyers to keep items. They are required to return and if they don’t issue a return label (the buyer) then eBay will issue one and charge the buyer. 

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The company who manufactures or sells the part usually doesn’t warranty the item for anyone other then the original buyer. Most warranties are not transferable. 

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Sorry...reverse that...seller issues a return label or eBay will do it for them. Buyer is required to return the item.
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Re: Received Return request saying 'item not working' on New item with warranty

They probably opened it, put in there old part and are returning that.

Make sure to look over serial numbers.  

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@stridder123 wrote:

brian@ebay

How should I proceed if memory modules appear to be good? Buyer return is says 'defective or not working'. Incompatability e.g. with buyer hardware is not 'defective or not working', and thus abuse of return policy.

They are used now, so I loose money b/c of this and shipping cost in both ways


You can file an appeal to get the return shipping cost back.



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**Formerly known as MissJen316**
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@justagirl12 wrote:

That is NOT true! Ebay does NOT allow buyers to keep items. They are required to return and if they don’t issue a return label (the buyer) then eBay will issue one and charge the buyer. 


@justagirl12 Sorry i see that you meant the seller 🙂



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@justagirl12 wrote:

The company who manufactures or sells the part usually doesn’t warranty the item for anyone other then the original buyer. Most warranties are not transferable. 


We already discussed that several times. There's simply no info or proof of why buyer claims they are defective. And simply doesn't reply for 3 days already to my 4 messages.

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@stridder123


@stridder123 wrote:

Thanks!

Sounds horrible, especially being charged seller fee after ebay steals your money. Why you guys still selling here??

So whats my best strategy? Buyer just started return request today, can wait for a couple days

Don't wanna loose both item sold and money:(

I guess I will delete all my other listings just in case


I read your original post, a number of replies and got to this one.  Don't overract and fold up your tent.  Retail sales, regardless of the venue (online of brick & mortor stores) come with a certain % of returns, period.  Its part of the cost of doing business.  One thing you could have done if you offered Free Returns was only Refund a part of the original sale instead of the whole thing.  Buyers are liable to research what they purchase and I am sure you would certainly answer any tech questions on the item to make sure its the right piece AND will work with the Buyer's system right?  You ARE an expert on it right?

As to not accepting returns ... I still have NO CLUE why eBay still has that bogus setting on the site ... it is SO easy to circumvent.  As to Sellers using it, are they saying, "I want you to buy my item and keep it regardless of what you get or what happens after you get it, I just want your money and not your issues" or "I don't want this item back so if it doesn't work out you can keep it but I won't be refunding you." ??????  eBay is all about easy returns for Buyers, so again, the choice to not accept returns is ridiculous, sorry but it is.

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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