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Reality Check: Free Returns

We signed up for the Free Returns at the end of May. We figured it would increase our sales or, at least, keep them at the same level.

 

But in the last week, since ebay wanted us to sign up, our sales have plummeted by over half. And we have more listings now than ever before. Going into summer is usually slow but this is a drastic cut.

 

Anyone else who opted into the free returns seeing this?

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@onereader1 wrote:

EBAY has absolutely NO reason (in their minds) not to give the customer 100% of what they want 100% of the time. It doesn't cost EBAY one penny - it just kills their sellers. EBAY has never figured out that the SELLER is their customer - not those who purchase from the sellers. EBAY makes money only from US - but they continue with their policies to undermine the seller.  I've never gotten it, I'll never get it. EBAY was built by small sellers, but now they only cater to the mega sellers (where they have the smallest profit percentage). So, bottom line is, their policies continue to downgrade the site. Sellers continue to find other places to sell and buyers find lots of other places to buy. My listings - no matter how eclectic would have at least 10-15 views per week. Now I'll go a full month with ZERO views on vintage items that used to sell quickly and get tons of views. So the sellers move on, the buyers move on and Ebay continues to shoot themselves in the foot by accelerating the process instead of opening their corporate eyes and work to once again diversify their seller and customer base. I really didn't think Ebay would ever fail, but they are working hard to prove me wrong. It's sad to watch - buy hey, I'm moving on!


Agree here. 

 

I can't tell you how many industries are started & built by small sellers only to be destroyed by money and profit. With the exception of Amz, competing sites might not exist if ebay treated sellers better.....

 

Anytime someone says, this business was built by small sellers, I go back to the hundreds of times I heard this phrase over the years when working in the video store industry....

 

The Big movie studios favored Blockbuster over small independents...they overfed it with sweetheart contracts and exclusive deals that they did not offer small stores. Blockbuster eventually imploded, taking the whole video rental industry down with it.

 

10 years of ignoring the small stores left the movie studios with absoluting nothing to fall back on when all the Blockbusters closed.

I think there's maybe a lesson ebay can learn from this.......i don't know..... 

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I have already lost over $200 on remorse free returns that ebay will not back me up on if I try to partially refund.

 

 

Free returns is broken and useless.

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Yes, this FREE RETURN thing is a scam. One day enacted and I already got a buyer who didn't bother to read the description. First line in my description: "This item is not for kids." She calls me after receiving the item "My kid cannot use this item - it's too fragile."

Tying free returns to the top rated seller discounts is a sham.

SHAME ON YOU, EBAY! Terrible.

I'm cutting my number of listings starting today and removing the free returns option.
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Well we have now tried the free returns since its inception, and went from three returns in three years, to a return department and constant open returns, same products, new policy, huge shipping loses beyond the top rated discount. we are done and migrating ads back to our old policy that was profitable to us. I plan to put a paragraph in our ads to explain why we gave up our top rated status, and how that makes our product a better value to our customers. And it does, good customers end up paying more to cover our shipping loses, we gotta eat. I knew in my gut it was a bad idea, now i know in my wallet too, I've had people buy things on their smartphone without even reading the full ad, why bother its free shipping both ways.  I had a heavy item that i bought for almost nothing, sold for $109, heavy item though and put a teaser shipping rate of 21.95, knowing it would cost over $40 to ship, Idiot didnt realize it wouldn't work for him because he didn't bother to read the ad. paid another 40 to get it back,  came back scuffed because they packed it wrong and fedex poked a hole in the box, relisted for a little less due to new condition, sold in two days, another teaser loss on shipping. Thank God i get to break even after paying ebay and paypal on an item that should have been a home run. Old policy buyer would have eaten the return shipping and probably read the ad first and not hit the buy it now button to begin with. Our overall sales returns and losses have been running about 25% of gross sales every week. Jethro can do that math! 3 returns in three  years, multiple weekly returns now, same products, same quality ad descriptions, extra work and less profit, genious move Ebay, keep your top rated status, go ahead and move our products down in the page ranking, we can't afford to be at the top anymore.

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Thanks for replying to this topic!  I know the original message was posted a while back, but for something like this I knew form the start it would take a while for sellers to see if there were serious changes in the number of returns with these new policies.  This is important, as there are many former TRS+ sellers that can't afford to take the plunge into FREE RETURNS to get their + status back if their going to loose money and increase their time to deal with issues.  As I mentioned in my original postings, I'm particularly worried about merchandise that is heavy as I will be going back to several product lines I previously sold with huge shipping costs.  So, been there, done that and I really feal for you loss!  Hopefully, many sellers on the sidelines will see these posts and save themselves the trouble.  

Sofar, I'm hanging in there, not completely going awall.  I still maintain TRS, ship in 24 hours and offer normal 30 day returns.  But I won't be able  to chase the TRS+ anytime in the future. 

Thanks again and keep the posts on this topic going!

Barry

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I believe free returns was created with the intent that many sellers would give up their TRS+ status and the small discount they were getting rather than adopt the free return policy.

 

EBay knew exactly what they were doing: they wanted to save the TRS discounts.

 

Rather than just admit they were taking away the discount, they embraced the idea of free returns so it would be a seller's choice to forsake the discount.

 

It worked for many of us.  I ship a lot of heavy items and free returns is not practical for those. 

 

EBay will see the loss of some good sellers who can/will move to other venues, but more sellers will take their place (especially the Chinese) so eBay believes it will come out ahead over time.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  It will depend on how much animosity the management has generated among sellers (who are also buyers) and how their reputation is perceived in the future.

 

This is just my opinion, nothing more.  

 

Kathy at the Rummage Company

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@sonoranboutique wrote:

I agree, requiring Free Returns is the stupidest thing ever, especially since most web sites to not offer them.  (Best Buy, J. Crew, Ted Baker. etc.)

 

It's completely unfeasible in many categories.  Any category where shipping is 1/3rd to half the cost of the item - forget about it.  The seller can't afford to offer it.

 

It's already affecting listings.  I went on ebay to check prices for a $40 board game recently.  All of the prices were higher than Amazon.  None of the listings were Top Rated or had Free Returns because the sellers can't afford to pay $16 return shipping on a $40 item.  So they either lose money by offering Free Returns or lose the TRS discount.  Either way their costs have gone up.   EBay's seller-unfriendly policies simply means that prices on EBay are always going to be higher than on Amazon.


It's almost like eBay thinks their customers are far too stupid to even think to raise their prices to cover the added cost of free returns (same with free shipping) instead of just eating those costs.

 

Says a lot about what they think of us.  Hmmm?

If it works, sell it. If it works well, sell it for more. If it doesn't work, quadruple the price and sell it as an antique.

-- Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #80
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@monster-deals wrote:

I have already lost over $200 on remorse free returns that ebay will not back me up on if I try to partially refund.

 

 

Free returns is broken and useless.


Then I presume you are dropping out of free returns?  If something is costing you that much with zero benefit, the intelligent thing to do would be to stop doing that something.

If it works, sell it. If it works well, sell it for more. If it doesn't work, quadruple the price and sell it as an antique.

-- Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #80
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And the more China sellers they get on board the more their ASP drops (fidget spinner syndrome I believe Wenig called it)
Reality is the leading cause of stress.
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As a seller, I completely understand and agree with you 100%.   BUT I CAN tell you how EBAY looks at things.  ALL EBAY sees is that they make no money until an item is SOLD.  Which is why they only protect the buyer.  Irregardless of the seller paying for stores, extras in their ads, sponsorships, listing fees - all small sellers are treated the same and treated as someone only utilizing the 50 free listings with no additions and no store which = no $ til the sale.   I've looked into other sites and I've not come across anything in comparison.  Ive seen the sites who offer one flat fee with no final value fees etc, but have no traffic (at least for my items) or the sites who offer lower final value fees or something that seems good - then you realize, unless you end up spending the same amount or more to upgrade your account, your listings just never come up in a search and never even get viewed.  I have never understood why someone doesnt come up with an exact copy of the site, just lower reasonsable fees?  Its not rocket science, Ebay has already proven their system works - copy it and make it fairer and cheaper.... sounds like a winner to me.  I wish I had the means to try it!

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Yep!  Ultimately, giving into Ebays demands to remain Top Rated Seller is only worth it if you are selling High Ticket items or minimal orders.  Anyone selling low ticket items, especially with high volume of sales is driving themselves stressful over pennies!   And that "Top Rated Badge" you get for being Top Rated Seller is nothing.  Being an active buyer as much as a seller, I can honestly say I have never even noticed that badge, much less had any influence on my desicion of who I will buy from.  FEEDBACK is what I use to determine who I am buying from!

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If Ebay wanted to oust the Top Rated Seller discount, they could easily do so.

 

I believe that the whole "free returns" requirement is 100% their attempt to increase sales by trying to offer something the competition is not offering!!!  They OBVIOUSLY realize how much money a seller has to sacrifice selling and KNOW any seller would do anything they could to try to recoup some of that, only being through Top Rated Seller Status.  Its their way of FORCING a seller to ship out immediately so the buyer gets their things in minimal time similar to that of Amazon without having to pay for Prime Membership.  And forcing sellers to offer FREE returns has no affect on them what-so-ever!!!! They lose absolutely nothing if you agree to it!  So ultimately, you are making them shine and of course the buyer is happy, they have NO STAKE in this AT ALL.  Its literally like going to the casino and gambling with someone elses money.  Who cares if you win or lose, its not your money!  THAT IS THE true reality, In my opinion.

Ultimately, unless you have low volume and high ticket items for sale - that top rated sellers discount does nothing for you.  Anyone selling high volume, low ticket items will find themselves running ragged for minimal gains!  And as a buyer also on ebay, I can honestly say I have never even noticed or was influenced by anyone's Top Rated Seller Badge!!!  My influence in deciding on a seller has always 100% been based on their feedback!

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@monster-deals wrote:

I have already lost over $200 on remorse free returns that ebay will not back me up on if I try to partially refund.

 

 

Free returns is broken and useless.


We can change that to $1000 now.

 

We are done with free returns since all it does is harm half the active ebayers.

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@monster-deals wrote:

@monster-deals wrote:

I have already lost over $200 on remorse free returns that ebay will not back me up on if I try to partially refund.

 

 

Free returns is broken and useless.


We can change that to $1000 now.

 

We are done with free returns since all it does is harm half the active ebayers.


$1300 now.

 

All of them changed mind or ordered by mistake.

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