08-26-2024 06:11 PM
I've sold a candy that was quite popular.
I sold 400+ of them.
I just found out they have been discontinued.
Will ebay let me keep the same item number and let me change the product to a similar product?
I would be changing the title, the pictures , the description; etc.
08-29-2024 03:04 AM - edited 08-29-2024 03:17 AM
@gurlcat wrote:
@fbusoni wrote:After reading your comments @gurlcat I come to the tentative conclusion, as I hinted earlier upthread, that eBay will allow whatever is wants to allow so long as it means more money in its coffers. That's normal corporate behavior.
It's up to sellers to live with the consequences (in this case, perhaps a guilty conscience) of their actions.
I may be projecting my own sensibilities on the OP and I apologize in advance to OP if I am indeed doing so, but the fact that @inhawaii comes here to broach what he depicts as a purely technical question suggests to me that he assesses that while the real or imagined ethical concerns inherent in changing an existing listing may well be invisible to the buyer viewing his newly redone listing, they are not invisible to him.
Personally, I like and respect people who have a moral compass. Money is nice to have, but in my opinion it's not the reason for our existence.
So do I. I believe deeply that character is personality when nobody is looking. I'm just struggling to grasp how morality and ethics are even in question here. Given what you said in your throttling post about how (paraphrasing) it doesn't hurt to remember that eBay absolutely CAN do it if they want to, also given how many sellers are using manipulations like keyword spamming and duplicate listings (and reporting them does NOTHING, so that goes back to eBay) .... can we not agree that it's such a glut of perversions that could cause a seller to even consider taking any little advantage they can?
And I would barely even call this a case of joining 'em if you can't beat 'em, or two wrongs making a right, or whatever, because to me SCOPE matters. Piggybacking off the popularity of one of your OWN previous items (let's keep in mind that the 'goodness' of @inhawaii 's macadamia nuts is unlikely to be the only factor in why he sold so many; all his other selling practices surely mattered as well) ..... how is that even remotely immoral compared to some of the things other sellers do, and that eBay supports if it makes them more money? -I believe I told you about that fine jewelry seller I discovered a few months ago who sells absolute fakes for tens of thousands of dollars, somehow dodges authentication requirements and gets every single one of their negs removed, didn't I?
I tell you what, as a true blue eBay-lover, that discovery really broke my heart. And maybe it's even why I give inhawaii a little fist bump for even conceiving of this idea he had. Maybe my polyanna spirit is now a bit jaded, I dunno, hard to be objective on that I guess.
Yes, we can agree, absolutely. Feelings are one thing; as for behavior... we all have our own litmus tests in these sorts of situations, as the various posts in this thread indicate.
I reckon there are at least two types of struggles that can experienced in this scenario: the contextual one that you describe, and the "internal" one which in my case comes from what "feels" right and wrong and is not shaped or otherwise influenced by personal financial need or by what you aptly refer to as the practices of others on a grotesquely distorted selling / buying environment.
Thus, even though eBay's written policy on the matter seems, for all the world, to green light what @inhawaii contemplates, piggybacking on an existing listing may or may not be "remotely immoral compared" to the things other sellers do.
I'm also a true-blue eBay-lover and before signing up here a few months ago was blissfully ignorant for 25 years of what was going on here on this platform. I recall the story you told me and since then I've read about an organized crime syndicate (likely run out of a certain large totalitarian state in the Far East) that is drop-shipping, filing fraudulent INADs, and successfully forging USPS shipping labels as part of an effort to ruin a successful American seller. (When I sold on Amazon I saw this sort of thing happen to US sellers all the time.) eBay's response has been to up this seller's punishment by increasing his metrics violations.
It's horrifying to say the least, but it's not going to lead me to do what I personally believe to be manipulative or misleading.
Operating in accordance with the Golden Rule here for a quarter of a century has served me very well. regards
08-29-2024 10:44 AM
FWIT I never said buyers are moronic. I never said they are stupid. In fact many of them are quite savvy and highly intelligent.
It's been stated many times here on the selling forum over the decades that if you have 2 sellers offering the same item, at the same price, same feedback rating, most (most) buyers will purchase from the seller who has sold the most. 400 sales vs 4 sales.
I get it. Any thing that gives a seller an edge over his competition is open season for some regardless of the moral/ ethical dilemma its practice may pose for others.
And since this proposed practice has received a public airing and the blessing of some people here, why not everybody begin practicing the same switcheroo (as it was called upthread)? We can all use a little edge over the competition.
There is already a big ongoing trust issue between eBay, sellers and buyers. One more little thing won't matter, right?
08-29-2024 12:02 PM
I see you sell auto parts.
I sell vintage auto parts from time to time and have noticed keyword spamming beyond belief.
I've reported several listings from a particular account, but I'm not sure how much eBay does when they receive a report from just one person.
If you ever want to DM me some listing numbers, I can join you in reporting them.
I believe there is strength in numbers, as far as getting eBay to address reports goes.
08-29-2024 12:42 PM
@fbusoni wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@fbusoni wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:Asking someone from Ebay to stop into any given thread by just saying their name will never have any success. .
That may well be true -- the Khoros folks here who are quick to edit posts to prevent or address any hurt feelings seem to be the only beings behind the scenes here who actually have a pulse -- but it has absolutely nothing to do with my previous post, and all the finger wagging the world will not alter that fact.
What??? There are rules for the Community. If you break the rules, it is Khoros' job to address it. IDK if it has anything to do with "hurt feelings", I can't imagine that you hurt Khoros' feelings. If you have had posts edited, that only happens if you are not abiding by the rules of the Community. With that said, I don't know what you are talking about specifically.
Right, and while it's obvious you possess a lot of factual knowledge, that seems to be a leitmotif here. Regards
Well often I have to repeat myself because certain questions or remarks are repeatedly said. Regards
08-29-2024 02:04 PM - edited 08-29-2024 02:06 PM
@b86fiero wrote:FWIT I never said buyers are moronic. I never said they are stupid. In fact many of them are quite savvy and highly intelligent.
It's been stated many times here on the selling forum over the decades that if you have 2 sellers offering the same item, at the same price, same feedback rating, most (most) buyers will purchase from the seller who has sold the most. 400 sales vs 4 sales.
And since this proposed practice has received a public airing and the blessing of some people here, why not everybody begin practicing the same switcheroo (as it was called upthread)? We can all use a little edge over the competition.
No, it was I who used the word 'moronic' and I was not referring to buyers in general. I was replying to this previous thing you said: "And if buyers discover the switcheroo, will they feel scammed into thinking an item is popular when it may not be?" But now .... and this is a CRUCIAL distinction ..... you are changing the goal post, suggesting that we consider buyers' comparisons of seller-to-seller, not item-to-item.
Here, let's plug in some actual hypotheticals to make the difference more concrete. Say inhawaii switches this listing to green tea covered macadamia nuts that are just a different brand, or switches it to some other snack made by the same brand. THEN a buyer's keyword search for "green tea covered macadamia nuts" or "Hawaiian Host" would include this listing, but it would be the switcheroo product, not this one.
BUT it would still place high in search results because of the item number's great sales history, and it would still say that 441 had sold. So that might convince the kind of moron buyers who would jump off a bridge if 441 other people did that they should buy the switcheroo .... just because 441 other people did .... NOT based on the photos of the switcheroo, the ingredients, whether the ingredients were ethically and sustainably sourced, and oh, PRICE ... you know, the kinds of things smart buyers consider when they buy things.
But say instead inhawaii uses the listing for the switcheroo of Delish Yogurt Covered Pineapple.
Now this turns out to be a funnily perfect hypothetical because it looks like the only other seller on eBay who offers yogurt covered pineapple is the company themselves, and they have sold only 2 of the 3 pound containers.
Now to stick with your hypothetical about 2 sellers, say Delish's feedback was also 100% positive like inhawaii's. And say inhawaii prices his 3lb. containers of this item exactly the same as Delish, $41.99. Then he probably would still have an advantage over Delish, because his 441 sales history would place the listing higher in search results. And even if a buyer specifically searched for "Delish yogurt pineapple" and saw both listings and started comparing them, the only difference they'd see is 441 sold compared to 2 sold.
So now what is the buyer considering? -Whether Delish Yogurt Covered Pineapple is good? No they already know it's good; that is why they searched for it. Price? Nope, identical. Feedback? Again, identical. The only thing to compare then is number sold, and there must be SOME reason inhawaii sold SO MANY of this item. -Now I know what you're thinking, "BUT HE DIDN'T SELL 441 OF THIS ITEM!" But remember, the item doesn't matter because the buyer already KNOWS they like it. What they are really seeing is a seller who sold 441 of 'something' and presumably some of those were repeat buyers, and none of them had a bad experience enough to give negative feedback.
So what that 441 really represents is not just item popularity but ROCK SOLID SELLER TRACK RECORD. @fbusoni this is a point I was really hoping to get across in that last reply of mine, possibly the most important point.
08-30-2024 10:06 AM
@adamcartwright wrote:I see you sell auto parts.
I sell vintage auto parts from time to time and have noticed keyword spamming beyond belief.
I've reported several listings from a particular account, but I'm not sure how much eBay does when they receive a report from just one person.
If you ever want to DM me some listing numbers, I can join you in reporting them.
I believe there is strength in numbers, as far as getting eBay to address reports goes.
Consider the generic rocker switch. What one would use to wire up and turn on an aftermarket led light bar.
It's Universal, fits nothing, but fits everything.
Millions of parts fit this description.
Ai has no idea what a 53 Cadillac fender skirt fits. So, there's nothing that can be done about the keyword spamming that we are seeing. (except, if eBay changes item specific boxes and limits them to 15 or 20 characters).
Same with Compatibilities / Fitment.
Also, one person does this keyword spamming thing. One person starts it.
Another person comes along with the same part and sees that "Sell One Like This". They do that to make a listing, and all that keyword spamming stuff automatically goes to the new seller...and they might not even know it.
EBay's going to have to set some character limits on item specifics. It's getting out of hand quick. Ruins searches.
08-30-2024 10:23 AM
Yes, I thought of that and a character limit was my idea, as well.
I believe it does cut down on sales, as buyers get frustrated with irrelevant results.
08-30-2024 10:49 AM
@adamcartwright
There's a BUNCH of "salvage yards" listing thousands and thousands of used parts on eBay.
There's a few "salvage yards" that have MILLIONS of listings (each).
Basically none of these have much of any descriptions at all, and the photo was nothing more than a picture of the car the part came off of. So, one seller would have 150 listings showing the same photo, for each different part, and no real description.
This due to time/employee/labor...and listing parts correctly on eBay isn't "what they do".
AND, the biggie: None of these sellers really sold very much due to the above.
So, with that much pull, eBay began to cater to them with item specifics, and more-so with compatibility (interchange).
That insures they can list super fast, careless, yet still get prime search result placement.
But, when it comes to us small sellers that do everything right when it comes to listings? It's killing us and eBay doesn't see it.
Many have resorted to the spamming thing just in hopes of better search result placement.
I'm not sure there's an answer at this point. Other than limiting characters in item specifics.
UGH!!
08-30-2024 01:11 PM
What do yall mean about character limits in IS's? -I don't sell auto parts so I'm totally unfamiliar with what the IS's are for them, but in all the categories I have sold, it's all pull-down menus, checkmarks and yes/no's.
Even most of the pull-downs where you can 'enter your own' enable only ONE, although the odd one here and there may enable a list. Is that where/how keyword spammers do it, creating mega-lists of 'enter your own's in those IS's?
I always assumed it occurred in the Description box. That's certainly where I see lots of sellers include everything but the kitchen sink, in terms of fluff about their store, their background, duplicate photos, what they expect from buyers because "a few bad apples" blah blah blah. And it's been a while but I THINK I have seen walls of keywords there too.
08-30-2024 02:54 PM
I've done searches for cassette tapes by artist and title and have seen odd results. So I've clicked on the odd listing to see why it's showing up in my results. I've seen listings that had 10 different artists listed. I have no idea how many can be put in until you reach the character limit if there is one.
08-30-2024 05:35 PM
Here's an example of keyword spamming on a listing for:
"1959 Oldsmobile Deluxe Spinner Hubcaps With Clips"
Keywords: carburetor, dome light, speedometer, steering wheel, ignitor, voltage regulator, quarter sheet metal panel, vent, antenna, dashboard, glove box, headliner, wood grain, seat cover , yada yada yada
08-30-2024 05:40 PM
I don't understand the character limit, because whenever I am describing my own items, I run up against a pretty tight character limit yet I see listings with double digit lines of text in one field.
08-30-2024 05:55 PM
@adamcartwright wrote:
Here's an example of keyword spamming on a listing for:
"1959 Oldsmobile Deluxe Spinner Hubcaps With Clips"
Keywords: carburetor, dome light, speedometer, steering wheel, ignitor, voltage regulator, quarter sheet metal panel, vent, antenna, dashboard, glove box, headliner, wood grain, seat cover , yada yada yada
... and people blame ebay when they search for a antenna and get a vent.
08-30-2024 08:27 PM
@inhawaii wrote:
@adamcartwright wrote:
Here's an example of keyword spamming on a listing for:
"1959 Oldsmobile Deluxe Spinner Hubcaps With Clips"
Keywords: carburetor, dome light, speedometer, steering wheel, ignitor, voltage regulator, quarter sheet metal panel, vent, antenna, dashboard, glove box, headliner, wood grain, seat cover , yada yada yada
... and people blame ebay when they search for a antenna and get a vent.
... and people act like even considering recycling ONE successful item number (made successful by YOU, not hacked or hijacked from anybody else) to piggyback good visibility of a new item is like running a puppy mill. 🤣
08-30-2024 08:30 PM
Jeez that's grotesque, I had no idea. Just about scraped the skin off my scrolling fingers off by the time I reached the description box.