07-05-2022 02:48 PM
Note: this would be just as useful to anyone who takes their packages to the post office and doesn't have a kiosk with an auto-scanner, and you insist on witnessing your items being scanned (which is wise but also pushing your luck if your post office's counter clerk is not the cheerful type; I have yet to meet one of those). They will appreciate performing only ONE scan, rather than having to turn your multiple packages around and scanning them all one-by-one. People in line behind you will appreciate it too.
Because of disabilities I cannot go to the post office every day, but I can still be a Top Rated Seller Plus, even with it requiring a 1-day handling time (package must get its' first carrier scan on the same day or next business day after each item was paid for). Before I go any further, I should clarify that my only experience is with USPS; things may be totally different with other carriers.
Most days I rely on Scheduled Pickup to get my packages in USPS' hands, and for the most part it works perfectly. If anyone reading doesn't know about scheduling pickups or how to do it, reply and I will guide you, unless someone else sees your reply and guides you before me (all help appreciated 🙂 ). I have had occasional frustrating periods of substitute neighborhood carriers who would skip my scheduled pickups for whatever reason, and when that happens it's frustrating and there's no excusing it on my behalf, as far as Ebay goes. But far more often, and just as frustrating, is when the carrier DOES pick up the items on the scheduled day, but the items don't get any scans until the next day or even later. Even the email that USPS sends which affirms completion of the scheduled pickup isn't satisfactory proof for Ebay, because when you schedule a pickup, there is no way to indicate the specific tracking numbers of the items, just how many, what shipping tiers, and the approximate total weight (so the carrier knows whether to take an empty box to your door). So, even if you could get a digital copy of that email to an Ebay employee to look at, it would only show that X number of packages were successfully picked up, NOT necessarily the exact ones for which you got demerit strikes.
So one day about a year ago I "caught" my mailman on the porch and asked if he wouldn't mind scanning the bar codes on my packages when he picks them up, to show that they really were picked up. He said his scanner couldn't do that --I'm not sure if that's true, or if he just didn't want to commit to scanning everything I ship out, including days when there are 'several' packages; in that case I could definitely sympathize, as I know how pressed for time they are. BUT he said he COULD scan a "Scan Form" of all my packages, if I would just put one out each day.
I didn't know exactly what he meant, so I asked HERE in the Community, and got guidance on exactly how to create and print one. At first it felt like a "bit much" in addition to all the other steps of shipping, but once I got the hang of it, it's second nature, literally adds only a few extra seconds and one sheet of paper to the task. That sheet has just ONE bar code for the carrier to scan, and it will become the first scan for all the bar codes of all the packages being picked up that day, all at once!
NOW for the proof in the pudding!
Look at the screenshot with 2 line items highlighted. The bottom one shows the item was 'Received, Acceptance Pending' this last Thursday June 30th, but it wasn't "Accepted" until Sunday, July 3rd. That's means my mailman scanned my Scan Form when he did the pickup Thursday, but for whatever reason, that package just sat at my local post office without any movement or any more scans until Sunday. If not for that 'Received' scan, this item (which sold on Wednesday) would be STRIKE, with no way to excuse it. But if it does show as a strike, I will be able to get it removed, because the tracking shows it actually left my hands on time.
I believe I have seen at least one member in the Community say that Ebay doesn't count anything less than "Accepted" as the official first scan, but that's not true. I know because I've had at least a couple strikes removed by calling and having employees look at the Received scan. Thing is, Acceptance just means the package has been examined for any red flag packing problems and weighed to verify sufficient postage was paid for. If you have packages picked up, you can't help how long it takes for facility workers to get around to doing this inspection, therefore 'Received' is as good as 'Accepted' as far as your responsibility goes! And that's exactly what you should (politely) to any Ebay rep who wrongfully tries to deny removal of your strike. Though like I said, I haven't had that problem; the ones I've called had enough common sense to agree that 'Received' means RECEIVED.
About the other screenshot: For some reason I have yet to hear, occasionally the first scan reads "Picked Up" rather than "Received, Acceptance Pending." I mean to sometime ask my mailman why that is, but if anyone reading knows, holler! All I know is, I had one strike from the Accepted scan being a day or two after the Picked Up one, and I was able to get the strike removed, same as if it had the 'Received' scan.
07-06-2022 01:17 PM - edited 07-06-2022 01:19 PM
Way too much to read, but your carrier is either lying to you or doesn't know how to do it. It absolutely IS possible for them to scan every pkg. Mine does it daily. However, the rules changed back in April, there were several threads at the time, that rural carries no longer HAVE to scan >5 pkgs unless you have a SCAN form. Several others posted in that thread that their carriers are continuing to scan all the pkgs. It's a choice.
I shouldn't even say the rules 'changed', b/c it's been the rule for years, but not enforced.
Your carrier can override it still, if they choose. My carrier was concerned that that option would go away b/c this was NOT just a policy change, it was a software change to the scanners, but as of today, it's still there.
Also, don't assume, like I did, that you're not on a rural route just b/c you live in a heavily populated area or huge subdivision, you may still be on rural route.
<<Ebay doesn't count anything less than "Accepted" as the official first scan, but that's not true. I know because I've had at least a couple strikes removed by calling and having employees look at the Received scan >>
The Acceptance Scan is DIRECTLY TIED to 2 of your seller metrics that are on your dashboard. One of them CAN be removed by calling, as you discovered, however the other one CAN NOT. It is DIRECTLY (via software interface) tied to the USPS system & eBay cannot change it or remove any of them. I forget which one is which & I don't have any late shipping to go check, right now.
I'm glad SCAN forms are working for you. They are a pita to get on eBay, as you have to use MOS & for many of us, that really work for the way we handle our shipping. I hate MOS, hate the cumbersome interface & I like to print labels all day, as the items sell. MOS is not conducive to that. Also, to consider, just as a carrier can 'miss' or 'forget' to scan pkgs, they can miss or forget to scan the SCAN form 😉
If SCAN forms work for you great, but they are not foolproof either. The only way to ensure an Acceptance Scan on each package is to make sure you see it getting done or DIY at an APC. I realize not all areas have APC's.
ETA: I should add that although I'm not a general fan of the SCAN form, my comments are geared towards sellers that have a few pkgs a day & may occasionally go over the 5. If a seller has 50 pkgs daily, then obviously a SCAN form is in order. My carrier also picks up at a large business that literally has hundreds of pkgs daily & I'm sure he wouldn't be willing to scan those individually LOL.
07-06-2022 01:29 PM
It looks like you disagree with what I said, but if you're not going to read all the points I made, I'm not going to read yours either, and your reply aint exactly short either.
07-06-2022 01:55 PM
I never did understand what a scan form really accomplished, all it proves is that the postal service scanned a form with some tracking numbers on it.
07-06-2022 03:29 PM - edited 07-06-2022 03:30 PM
@bashort wrote:I never did understand what a scan form really accomplished, all it proves is that the postal service scanned a form with some tracking numbers on it.
Not just "some" tracking numbers, but the ones that go with the items you sold. It shows Ebay when you actually sent them.
07-06-2022 04:02 PM
@gurlcat wrote:Note: this would be just as useful to anyone who takes their packages to the post office and doesn't have a kiosk with an auto-scanner, and you insist on witnessing your items being scanned (which is wise but also pushing your luck if your post office's counter clerk is not the cheerful type; I have yet to meet one of those). They will appreciate performing only ONE scan, rather than having to turn your multiple packages around and scanning them all one-by-one. People in line behind you will appreciate it too.
Good post but honestly it's a waste of time around here. There have been similar posts going back almost 20 years and all you get is a bunch of people telling you why Scan forms are useless, why they shouldn't have to use them, why postal workers should just suck it up and scan everything individually.
It's the same sellers who seems to get a lot of buyer issues, constant complaints about USPS and whine about unfair metrics by eBay.
07-06-2022 04:12 PM
I suspect you are exactly right. Thing is, I said outright that I would't blame my mailman for fibbing to me about being unable to scan all my packages if that's the case, because I understand he's pressed for time (and a myriad other things, like how hot is here in South Alabama in July, how many mosquitos hover around my front door, etc.).
07-06-2022 04:15 PM
I’ve used scan forms for years with scheduled pick up , and like them very much. When they are scanned by the carrier all my packages are now tracked to be in USPS hands— one way or another.
When I do scheduled pick-up without a scan form my local post office will send everything except Priority to the sorting center for first scanning, and that will usually not happen until the next day. Thus my package with first class, parcel select, or media mail appears to have been mailed a day late and do not meet my one day handling criteria. Grrrr.
I am usually mailing one package at a time, and eBay‘s system of label printing will not allow me to print a scan form for only one package. I find this to be very annoying, and I wish eBay would change their label flow to allow a scan form for only one package.
07-06-2022 04:25 PM
Yup, whoever says acceptance SCAN's are not good enough are wrong. It's traditionally been enough for eBay to take action.
What it is NOT good enough for is if you open a claim with USPS. Because they will stick to plausible deniability, saying it could have been on the SCAN form but never actually given to them. So you wouldn't be able to open a claim with them.
But for eBay purposes, a SCAN form is enough! And tbh, everyone should be using them unless shipping only 1 item.
@slippinjimmy wrote:It's the same sellers who seems to get a lot of buyer issues, constant complaints about USPS and whine about unfair metrics by eBay.
lol, well as mentioned, everyone should be using SCAN forms. But unfair metrics are a different story. Until eBay actually bases them off decided cases and not opened claims, it's not really fair. Not because we're dealing with the dumb penalties either (we're not) it's just a design that doesn't make sense.
The only time we've had to deal with the penalty is, ironically, last year when they got rid of the old Guaranteed Delivery system and apparently made a mistake moving people to the new system. We had <1% INR, and despite not being qualified for that penalty, it was confirmed by eBay that we were STILL hit by that penalty. Of course, they weren't able to remove it and we had to go for a month with a week added to all of our shipping times...
So yeah, the metrics definitely aren't fair either, if you're getting penalties you're not even qualified for, and nobody at eBay can remove the penalties that you incorrectly get hit with.
07-06-2022 04:28 PM
@tealt wrote:I’ve used scan forms for years with scheduled pick up , and like them very much. When they are scanned by the carrier all my packages are now tracked to be in USPS hands— one way or another.
When I do scheduled pick-up without a scan form my local post office will send everything except Priority to the sorting center for first scanning, and that will usually not happen until the next day. Thus my package with first class, parcel select, or media mail appears to have been mailed a day late and do not meet my one day handling criteria. Grrrr.
I am usually mailing one package at a time, and eBay‘s system of label printing will not allow me to print a scan form for only one package. I find this to be very annoying, and I wish eBay would change their label flow to allow a scan form for only one package.
Out of curiosity, why would you need a SCAN form for just one package...? Why not just make sure they scan the single item? I don't think there's a purpose for a SCAN form with only one item?
Whether it's a single item or scan form, we make sure to have our warehouse workers listen for the scan to confirm it actually went through, just to make sure no issues!
07-06-2022 05:17 PM
Do you generate scan forms from the Shipping Labels page on Ebay (that's where I do mine, and I don't know if there are any other ways/places).? I am able to get one for a 1-item-only shipping day all the time, in fact I did just today! Look:
Somewhat off-topic, another thing I've seen people say cannot be done is scheduling a pickup without at least one Priority item included. And I don't get that one either; I schedule mere First Class packages all the time (again, this one today for example). I've NOT been able to ship a Media mail item without at least one F.C. but that's the only time I've ever run into a restriction on the request page.
OH, and hey tealt, have you observed the weird thing where sometimes the scan shows as "Picked Up" rather than "Received, Acceptance Pending" and do you know anything about that? Funny enough, this one from today shows BOTH (same exact time), and I don't think I've ever seen that before, ha!
07-06-2022 05:24 PM - edited 07-06-2022 05:24 PM
I can't answer for tealt, but the reason I make a scan form even if it's only one item is because it always gets scanned, even if my street has as substitute carrier. No form, no scan of the package bar code. My only guess is it's a psychology thing, like "look I went to the extra trouble and use of paper and ink to make this form for you to scan" and I always put it on top/front of the packages, so they literally have to touch it to grab the packages, couldn't pretend they didn't see it, ha.
Do YOU know about why the scan sometimes reads 'Picked up'? Look at my one from today ^ It got BOTH kinds of scan read-outs.
07-06-2022 06:17 PM - edited 07-06-2022 06:21 PM
@gurlcat wrote:The bottom one shows the item was 'Received, Acceptance Pending' this last Thursday June 30th, but it wasn't "Accepted" until Sunday, July 3rd. That's means my mailman scanned my Scan Form when he did the pickup Thursday, but for whatever reason, that package just sat at my local post office without any movement or any more scans until Sunday.
No, it was actually in the Memphis, TN sorting facility at the time; your post office didn't sit on it. There's a little oddity in the USPS tracking that needs explaining here, so pull up a chair. 🙂
When you get an Acceptance scan at either a Self-Service Kiosk (SSK) or via a SCAN sheet, it's designated as a provisional Acceptance rather than a full one. It remains in provisional status until it receives a direct scan by an in-network device, which confirms that it really is in possession of the USPS.
In the case of the SSK, it's a provisional Acceptance because the USPS can't confirm yet that you really dropped the package in the chute. In the case of the SCAN sheet, it's a provisional Acceptance because the USPS can't confirm yet that the package listed on the SCAN sheet was actually in the pile that was picked up. eBay does recognize a provisional scan at an SSK as proof of mailing (in terms of meeting your Handling time), and I assume that they also recognize a SCAN sheet that way as well.
In either case, the provisional status remains until an in-network scan occurs. Usually (in a perfect world), your PO will scan an SSK package when they empty the lobby drop chute. (Mine does.) I don't know if their policy would extend to scanning every package in a SCAN sheet before shipping out, since there could be a lot, and some big drop-offs are wheeled straight to the loading dock.
Okay, here's where things get sticky: the first in-network scan will create a full Acceptance record wherever it occurs, but the location reported in the Acceptance scan is not actually where the scan occurred; it's where the label states that it was shipped from.
This is most obvious when the originating post office doesn't actually scan it, so it isn't officially "seen" until it reaches a regional sort facility, which in your case was Memphis, TN, almost 400 miles from the starting point in Mobile. At that time, it received an Origin Acceptance scan that showed Mobile, AL as the starting point, but that was not its current location.
75 minutes after the Origin Acceptance scan on July 3rd, it got another processing scan (showing its true location of Memphis, TN), it departed Memphis on the afternoon of the next day, July 4th, and arrived in New Jersey in the early morning hours of July 5th.
To my knowledge, the Origin Acceptance scan that occurs further down the line, when an outgoing package escapes a direct scan at the local PO, is the only one that doesn't report its actual location of where the sort facility first logged it. All other tracking scans do accurately report the location where the scan was made.
07-06-2022 06:17 PM
I would use scan forms if there were a way to do one at the end of the day, we will pack and label things from the night before first thing in the morning then pack and label everything pretty much as it sells during the day until 4PM then off to the USPS and UPS drop off
07-06-2022 06:19 PM - edited 07-06-2022 06:22 PM
@gurlcat wrote:It looks like you disagree with what I said, but if you're not going to read all the points I made, I'm not going to read yours either, and your reply aint exactly short either.
I don't disagree with what you said at all. Except to separate fact from fiction on the 2 points I made. The carrier CAN still individually scan if they wish to & you can get 1 of the metrics resolved by CS, but not the other. Both of which I know to be 100% true.
I agree with the other stuff that I read, but I'm just not big on the SCAN form & the same can be accomplished other ways, that's all. Not saying there's anything wrong with using it, at all.