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Problem buyer; Postage due on return

Hello, I am posting a seller who is having some trouble with a buyer.

 

I sold the buyer an autoharp a few weeks ago and believe I did an excellent job with the listing and shipping.

Then a few weeks later, the buyer left negative feedback saying it "sounds horrible" without sending me a message first.

 

A few hours after leaving the negative feedback, they initiated a return because "My granddaughter wants nothing to do with it it was just taken out of ackage yesterday". Today the return arrived via USPS with postage due (I originally shipped it to them via UPS Ground because it is a large package). So now I owe $46 if I wish to accept the package, otherwise it will be returned to the buyer. The return policy on the listing was "30 day returns accepted; buyer pays return shipping".

 

Do I have any recourse here to either have the negative feedback removed or have the buyer pay the return shipping, as per the original sale terms? It is my understanding that eBay will automatically refund their money in 2 days since the tracking says "delivered". Wondering how I should proceed from here.

Thanks.

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@rfmtm wrote:

Did you suggest the buyer needs to tune it?

 

What reason was selected for the return?  If it was Item Not as Described, you pay for the return shipping, if you want to have it returned before refunding,  but it should not come postage due as ebay supplies the label and charges your account.

 

You need to contact ebay and find out what happen that it is coming postage due.

https://www.ebay.com/help/contact_us?id=4002&st=10

 

@wastingtime101  What are your thoughts here about it coming postage due?


Hey @rfmtm, I'm just about to head out so I don't have time to read any replies here - just responding based on the OP.

 

My first thought is the seller needs to get in touch with their post office tomorrow if they're open to get more info on the label and specifically to ask why it's coming postage due.

 

My instinct says a package would not arrive postage due if the buyer got the label from the post office. That leaves an online label. So unless the buyer bought their own label, the more likely scenario is they used an eBay-generated return label.

 

The thing about eBay labels is they are specifically "return service" labels and even though a label might say First Class, it's valid for a shipment up to 70 lbs. If there is a situation where the label was over or under paid, that's settled electronically between eBay and USPS.

 

So I'd say there's a good chance this is an error from a PO clerk that doesn't understand Return Service labels. I've seen it happen before.

 

Here's a screenshot and you can note the package size/weight limits at the bottom.

 

returnlabel.jpg

 

If it turns out the buyer purchased their own label, well the buyer is responsible for the ship cost if this was filed as remorse. So that would be an unusual situation where the seller would have to work with CS. Don't want to delve too deep into that because it can get complicated and because I'm under a time crunch to get somewhere.

 

If it was filed as a SNAD (even falsely) then the seller is responsible for return ship costs.

 

If this didn't help then tag me again - will try to check back later or tomorrow.

 

Good luck to the OP and please work with your post office!

 

Edit: One other thing the OP can do if they can't reach their PO tomorrow is contact customer service and ask them if the buyer used an eBay-generated return label or if the buyer purchased a label outside eBay and had tracking added to the return. That would give the seller a better idea of what's happening.

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Re: Problem buyer; Postage due on return

What is your return policy?

What was the official reason for the return?

 

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Did you suggest the buyer needs to tune it?

 

What reason was selected for the return?  If it was Item Not as Described, you pay for the return shipping, if you want to have it returned before refunding,  but it should not come postage due as ebay supplies the label and charges your account.

 

You need to contact ebay and find out what happen that it is coming postage due.

https://www.ebay.com/help/contact_us?id=4002&st=10

 

@wastingtime101  What are your thoughts here about it coming postage due?

 

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Thank you for the replies.

 

The reason for return is listed in my Returns section as "Didn't like item". And my return policy is the same as for the item listing: 30 day returns accepted, buyer pays return shipping.

 

I didn't get a good enough look at the shipping label to see if they used an eBay label, and with the Post Office being closed Monday I don't think I will be able to get another look at it until Tuesday.

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Did they use the Ebay label? 

 

If they didn't, how could there be postage due? did the sending PO not know what they were doing?  Maybe they used the automated machines and purposely inputted the dimensions incorrectly to not pay the right amount.  

 

Is this worth opening on video with a witness? 

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If buyer selected "didn't like item", buyer pays return shipping, so if you accepted the return request with ebay supplying the label it will be charged to the buyer by ebay.   It should not be coming postage due as the ebay label is a special pay-on-use return label charged to ebay, who then charges the buyer.

 

 

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It could possibly be a misunderstanding by a postal clerk.

 

In their mind large package = Priority but ebay sends First Class RETURN labels, so they think there's postage due?

 

You could contact ebay and ask if the label they sent shows tracking?

"If a product doesn't sell, raise the price" - Reese Palley
"If it sold FAST, it was priced too low" - also Reese Palley
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We've heard here time and again that that video-ing idea is a waste of time and energy.

What would you be trying to prove by opening in front of the camera? That it's not as described? Don't think that's what the buyer is claiming.  

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From the OP's message, it appears that the package is at their local USPS and will remain there until/unless the OP pays the postage due.

What would tracking show that we don't know already?  

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That the buyer did or didn't use the provided ebay returns label?

 

If they did, it's a postal mistake, if they used their own then they knew how to work it to have it arrive postage due after they paid less.

"If a product doesn't sell, raise the price" - Reese Palley
"If it sold FAST, it was priced too low" - also Reese Palley
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Post office should be open tomorrow.

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@rfmtm wrote:

Did you suggest the buyer needs to tune it?

 

What reason was selected for the return?  If it was Item Not as Described, you pay for the return shipping, if you want to have it returned before refunding,  but it should not come postage due as ebay supplies the label and charges your account.

 

You need to contact ebay and find out what happen that it is coming postage due.

https://www.ebay.com/help/contact_us?id=4002&st=10

 

@wastingtime101  What are your thoughts here about it coming postage due?


Hey @rfmtm, I'm just about to head out so I don't have time to read any replies here - just responding based on the OP.

 

My first thought is the seller needs to get in touch with their post office tomorrow if they're open to get more info on the label and specifically to ask why it's coming postage due.

 

My instinct says a package would not arrive postage due if the buyer got the label from the post office. That leaves an online label. So unless the buyer bought their own label, the more likely scenario is they used an eBay-generated return label.

 

The thing about eBay labels is they are specifically "return service" labels and even though a label might say First Class, it's valid for a shipment up to 70 lbs. If there is a situation where the label was over or under paid, that's settled electronically between eBay and USPS.

 

So I'd say there's a good chance this is an error from a PO clerk that doesn't understand Return Service labels. I've seen it happen before.

 

Here's a screenshot and you can note the package size/weight limits at the bottom.

 

returnlabel.jpg

 

If it turns out the buyer purchased their own label, well the buyer is responsible for the ship cost if this was filed as remorse. So that would be an unusual situation where the seller would have to work with CS. Don't want to delve too deep into that because it can get complicated and because I'm under a time crunch to get somewhere.

 

If it was filed as a SNAD (even falsely) then the seller is responsible for return ship costs.

 

If this didn't help then tag me again - will try to check back later or tomorrow.

 

Good luck to the OP and please work with your post office!

 

Edit: One other thing the OP can do if they can't reach their PO tomorrow is contact customer service and ask them if the buyer used an eBay-generated return label or if the buyer purchased a label outside eBay and had tracking added to the return. That would give the seller a better idea of what's happening.

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I said open with a witness, the video makes an easy storyline if needed.  Hopefully unneeded but this situation is hinky and who knows what is in the box.  

 

<<edit>> hope its just a return service misunderstanding. 

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You could video tape the box being opened at a Graduation party... but the fact remains that videos are no good.

 

ETA: I'm on Team 'the postal clerk didn't know what the label does', for what it's worth.

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Me too.

 

If the buyer didn't know the harp needed tuning to not "sound horrible", they probably couldn't work out how to shaft the seller on postage either. = )

"If a product doesn't sell, raise the price" - Reese Palley
"If it sold FAST, it was priced too low" - also Reese Palley
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