09-14-2020 02:35 PM
I've been collecting information about what could be a potential problem, and thought this would be a good time to try to get some awareness out there of a potential problem.
I'll start off with some images, as images could describe a situation better than words can:
As you can see, as of September 3rd promoted impressions have suddenly taken a dive.
To explain, the blue bars are "Organic Impressions". Meaning the how often your items are appearing in search when buyers "naturally" search for you.
The green part of the bar are "Promoted Impressions", which determine how often you're appearing in your Sponsored/Promoted listings.
It seems the organic (natural) traffic has not experienced any change, but overnight there was a drop of Promoted Impressions!
Who is being affected:
Most of the sellers I know are in Motors, so up until this point I've only found other sellers in Motors who have been encountering this issue. That is partly why I am posting here; if you find you are experiencing this issue, please reply to this post and let us know what category you're selling in! Just because I haven't found this on other categories, does not mean the issue isn't happening elsewhere!
Do Trending Rates help?
It doesn't seem trending rates cause any differences for this issue.
eBay's stance:
Until this point, eBay has not given any official word on this. There's no way to tell if this is truly a bug, or a change they made, or if it's intended. I have asked the forum mods on here last week, and they had not replied. I have reported this issue to phone CSR's, and they have not received any updates from the tech team yet.
Might this also be the natural ebb & flow of eBay, or the current situation our country is in?
That does not seem to be the case. As you can see above, the organic traffic (the blue bar) has been 100% stable through this time.
This means the same amount of buyers are searching now as they were prior. The primary difference we're seeing here is for the promotions only.
This suggests, at least for this specific problem we're facing, that it is not a natural ebb & flow or economic situation. If it were, the organic traffic would have decreased. This would have also shown in the conversion rate, rather than impressions, as impressions are appearances in search, conversion rate are purchases.
Organic traffic being unchanged is hard evidence that buyers are still searching just as much as they were prior. Whether they buy or not is a different question, but that would be altering conversion rate, not impressions.
Furthermore, the change happened literally overnight, on a Thursday which is the date that is traditionally the day of the week eBay does their changes.
Could this be some type of penalty or punishment?
I've checked with eBay to make sure we have no penalties or punishments on our account, and they've said we have none. Furthermore, it seems to be category wide, so it doesn't seem to be any sort of penalty, unless if a penalty is somehow applying to the whole category.
Which type of listings seem to be the ones targeted by this change?
Sadly, due to changes in eBay's traffic page, this is IMPOSSIBLE to tell.
EBay's traffic page does NOT allow sellers the ability to sort by impressions. It does NOT allow you to sort by ANY value other than "Quantity Available". And it does NOT any longer allow you to save a spreadsheet/report of your information.
So due to these changes, there's absolutely no way for us to research the problem ourselves and find out exactly what listings are being targeted.
We're 100% reliant on eBay to figure out this one, sadly.
Might they have changed Sponsored Listings somehow for this drop to make sense?
If that were the case, it would likely mean that peer rates would have more or less weight in the new system. That doesn't seem to be the case.
Furthermore, any changes to the Sponsored Listing system which decide which listings appear in search, would mean the Sponsored Impressions would naturally move elsewhere. So far, this seems to be a drop across the board of this category, from what I've seen. As mentioned, I don't know if this is hitting other categories, but if you are experiencing this PLEASE let me know.
Why do I suspect this may be a bug:
1) As mentioned on the phone by an eBay rep, losing impressions for Promoted Listings not only hurts seller profits, but also helps eBay profits as they are entitled to the trending rate for promotions.
2) Organic impressions are unchanged, while promoted listings are much lower. This raises the question: "Where did all the impressions go?" as it doesn't seem to be a shift in who's receiving the traffic. It seems the promotions just *poof* and vanished.
3) Sponsored Listings are still showing on the search pages, but have some MAJOR issues. I have a Video linked here to display example what I mean. You can see here, some doubles ARE showing up in the Sponsored Listings section. Not only are they duplicates, but the price seems to be wrong on some of the Sponsored search results, and some of them report "Free Shipping" when the item was NOT free shipping. I searched down the page for additional listings so you can see multiple times on a single search page had this problem.
4) So far, this has been category wide across Motors > Parts & Acessories. But this problem has NOT been observed outside of this category.
5) One person who I discussed this issue with was also selling in Motors, but was not in P&A. Rather they sold items such as wax/etc. They reported that they DID have this problem at first, but the problem resolved for htem over the weekend of 9/5. Considering it was fixed on that category, suggests it may be a problem that was not yet fixed on our category. Or at the very least, some changing/experimentation is going on.
6) It's likely that issues that would cause such a drastic change in impressions, and therefore changes in sales, would have some sort of warning from eBay. Not to say eBay doesn't change things that could alter your impressions (they do often). But if it were intended for Sponsored Impressions to go from 281,000 to 35,000 overnight, they would have likely informed sellers.
7) Motors > Parts & Accessories is one of the biggest selling categories on eBay. It simply serves no logic that eBay would WANT impressions to drop for such a large category! And that's assuming we're the only category this is happening to. I've yet to find out if there's others being targeted by this problem!
What do I hope to achieve with this post and/or what can I do to help?:
I have reported this issue last week, and eBay has been direct with us and said that their queue for tech support is based upon how many reports they have of this problem, and he mentioned something about there still being a follow-up on the case, so that means the report was still in queue.
In other words, unless the people who are experiencing this problem are able to discover it and report it, it may not be fixed any time soon.
This means it's of the utmost importance for us sellers to check if you're experiencing this problem, awareness is the first step! Then if so, make sure to report it to eBay! I would also appreciate it if you could post here as well, including the category of products you sell in, as any information we could provide eBay about exactly what the problem is could hopefully help in getting this issue resolved as fast as possible!
As mentioned earlier, again I have to stress that one of the biggest problems here is with the changes to the traffic page, we are 100% reliant on eBay to figure this one out. They took away the tools that would allow us to go through our inventory and find out which listings exactly are the ones that lost Promoted impressions.
Thank you and wishing all the best of luck on eBay. Hopefully we figure out this problem and get it resolved, or at least get an official response, as soon as possible!
10-09-2020 06:13 PM - edited 10-09-2020 06:14 PM
Hey guys! I was just pointed to this thread.
Parts/Accessories seller here, too....just experienced this starting on Wednesday, October 6, on our main selling ID (not this one). Pics attached. This is now the third day in a row we have experienced this.
Couple notes.....
1-We normally put the end date of the campaign one week out and then the night before extend it another week. Whether this does anything, who knows.....but it's what we do. As you can see....our impressions are normally between 240,000-300,000 per day from promoted listings. Whether it's at the high end or low end of that average varies week to week (I assume due to what other sellers are using PL and their rates). I checked Wednesday night at like 11pm CDT and it had us at like 270,000 impressions thus far on that day. However, when I looked again Thursday night, it had edited my impressions for Wednesday back to like 90,000. My sales from Wednesday were more or less on par with when I had the 250k-300k impressions....so I was skeptical of the stats.
2-What are you guys seeing on the graphs for organic sales per day since this started? On mine, it is saying we have $0 in organic sales (promoted) since Wednesday. However, that is wrong....we have had several hundred dollars in sales from organic searches each of the last 3 days, so I know that part of the graph is plain false or is computing wrong. The promoted listings sales and fees on the graph from the last 3 days were indeed accurate....just not the organic.
One pic is from the last month and the daily impressions, etc. The other pic is from April until now just to give a bigger picture of where the high-low impressions have been and how this big of a drop can't be attributed to seasonal sales, etc. The last pic shows where it says we had $0 in organic sales for yesterday even though we did like $400 in organic sales ($0 in organic sales would imply every listing sold was a promoted listing).
Maybe a dumb question....but do any of you guys drop-ship? I did some Google searching for incidents like this and only found a couple people who said this happened when they were disciplined for drop-shipping by Ebay. We make and sell all of our own items....so I even called today to ensure we hadn't been accidentally flagged for something like that. They confirmed everything was fine with our account....we are TRS, 100% feedback, no cases closed without seller resolution, no VERO, etc.
10-09-2020 09:20 PM
So you said you got your impressions back to where they had been originally? How long did that take from when the drop started?
Also, you said your sales normally go up in September to November.....I find in our P/A category that it starts to go up late February to March and normally fall is when it starts to slow down (I had always assumed these trends were due to weather).
10-09-2020 09:45 PM
One final oddity on this....may be totally unrelated but when things start on the same exact day it gets me thinking.
Since Wednesday, we have not been able to upload tracking on more than 1 order at a time. I used to be able to go to our seller hub sold listings......then ones awaiting shipment....check the clickbox for all the previous days orders....and the next screen let me put all the tracking numbers in on the same screen.
However, since Wednesday...I keep getting the attached error whenever I check more than 1 order. Thus, I have to literally click on each order and add tracking now.
Again, PROBABLY unrelated.....but you never know.
10-24-2020 07:00 PM
I have the same issue. It started on Sep 27, 2020 for me. Categories I sell include: toys, fitness, clothing, pool supplies, and others.
Is everyone still experiencing this issue? Was a corrective action identified? Has the problem "self-corrected" for you?
I've called in to eBay and have been referred to the Seller Performance team. I am waiting for my call back on Monday.
10-24-2020 07:33 PM
We sell in the Toys category and Motors accessory and our drop came on September 14th
I am having a 36% drop in Impressions and a $13,000 sales drop in 4 weeks. Talk about a rough one. I have been all over Ebay for 4 weeks now and most agents agree there is an issue and no one will step up to the plate to do anything about it. One change was the promoted listings went form "trending" to "suggested" AKA better word is "DEMAND". I was told by a rep that analyzes accounts says he talked to a promoted listings employee and said I wasn't offering enough. I played their Mafia game and it did increase alittle not enough to justify me paying them more. I am not paying 10% more in fees to see promoted listing sales drop 20%. Ya so no value in what they are doing. I really hope they arent this stupid to change it this badly but its 2020 and Stupid is the new smart.
They were promoting us on Offer Up and Let Go and we did see a huge increase in local sales. I have looked and they are not doing that anymore. So I believe that is absolutely one issue of why there is a drop. We are selling 30 less items a day which is a huge problem.
I have emails out with 6 different major marketing employees lets see if anyone of them answers.
10-25-2020 09:43 PM
I've experienced the same problem since October 20th. My promoted impressions dropped from 200k per day to 20k per day. Sales dropped by 50%. Ironically organic impressions went up as did impressions from outside Ebay. I hope it passes soon.
10-27-2020 05:05 AM
I've had the same thing happen. Running promotions or not running them seems to make zero difference in sales. One thing I did notice when trying to determine where I was falling in search is somewhere along the way ebay has changed the default search to newly listed from best match. I notice that promoted listings don't show up in newly listed the way they do in best match. I don't think too many buyers will select best match to search. This may also mean that variation listings that have a sale will not get the bump they used to.
10-28-2020 03:05 PM
I try really hard not to be a cynic but eBay sure does make it tough some days.
Hard not to believe this was the ultimate goal of this " test" all along. 😞
I get it, eBay is here to make a profit and honestly I don't begrudge them of that, just be honest with us. If the reality is that eBay wants a bigger slice of the pie, tell sellers that up front and let the chips fall where they will. Don't rub salt in the wound by feeding us a line about it being a "test" or to "improve buyer experience" or worse yet, not addressing the issue at all and just leaving sellers to twist in the wind trying to figure out how to recover when the rug is pulled out from under them.
I had some small amount of hope that Jamie Iannone meant what he said about "openness, honesty, respect and doing business with integrity drives our success." Clearly that's not the case.
10-28-2020 03:52 PM
@shke4764 wrote:I have the same issue. It started on Sep 27, 2020 for me. Categories I sell include: toys, fitness, clothing, pool supplies, and others.
Is everyone still experiencing this issue? Was a corrective action identified? Has the problem "self-corrected" for you?
I've called in to eBay and have been referred to the Seller Performance team. I am waiting for my call back on Monday.
If by corrected, you mean "We have to spend more promotion money to get the same amount of impressions", then yes it has corrected, lol.
10-28-2020 03:55 PM
@valueaddedresource wrote:I try really hard not to be a cynic but eBay sure does make it tough some days.
Hard not to believe this was the ultimate goal of this " test" all along. 😞
I get it, eBay is here to make a profit and honestly I don't begrudge them of that, just be honest with us. If the reality is that eBay wants a bigger slice of the pie, tell sellers that up front and let the chips fall where they will. Don't rub salt in the wound by feeding us a line about it being a "test" or to "improve buyer experience" or worse yet, not addressing the issue at all and just leaving sellers to twist in the wind trying to figure out how to recover when the rug is pulled out from under them.
I had some small amount of hope that Jamie Iannone meant what he said about "openness, honesty, respect and doing business with integrity drives our success." Clearly that's not the case.
Yeah, that quote has been a big question to eBay as of late. Sometimes they're coming through for us lately, they have helped with some of the major issues and are communicating better at times.
But it seems in more cases than not, they still aren't very helpful. This being one of the problem points.
The truth is plainly that you must spend more for the same thing that you got for less money before they began their "test". Period.
10-28-2020 04:15 PM - edited 10-28-2020 04:18 PM
The truth is plainly that you must spend more for the same thing that you got for less money before they began their "test". Period.
@zamo-zuan I really had hoped that wasn't the case when this all started, but I believe you are 100% correct.
10-28-2020 04:21 PM
So they have made $176,000,000 (very nice) of the "Promoted listing" program in Q3 digging deeper into the sellers pockets.
In the long run, the venue will become even less attractive while driving buyers away by "forcing" the sellers to increase our prices to cover for the loss paid to the venue in PL's. (on top of store subscription, FVF etc')
As long as the venue "asks" for a bigger slice out of our pie, the more we as sellers will have to drive the prices up, buyers will look elsewhere.
We used to make multiple daily purchases on Ebay, now, more then ever we go directly to the store.com of the sellers we find here, prices are lower by 10% or more, always without a fail,
we are forced to cut the middle man, which is very sad, but we can't justify paying more for no reason.
10-28-2020 04:57 PM
"a trend we expect will continue for the foreseeable future"
Well I guess at least they are being honest about their intentions now. Better late than never? 🙄
10-28-2020 05:06 PM
@valueaddedresource wrote:The truth is plainly that you must spend more for the same thing that you got for less money before they began their "test". Period.
@zamo-zuan I really had hoped that wasn't the case when this all started, but I believe you are 100% correct.
Unfortunately, some of us will decide not to spend more on PL than we have in the past and it will mean fewer sales. The new suggested rates are almost double what the trending rates were in the category most of my listings are in. I just can not afford 12.5%-15% PL suggested rates.
10-28-2020 08:07 PM
@mcdougle4248 wrote:
@valueaddedresource wrote:The truth is plainly that you must spend more for the same thing that you got for less money before they began their "test". Period.
@zamo-zuan I really had hoped that wasn't the case when this all started, but I believe you are 100% correct.
Unfortunately, some of us will decide not to spend more on PL than we have in the past and it will mean fewer sales. The new suggested rates are almost double what the trending rates were in the category most of my listings are in. I just can not afford 12.5%-15% PL suggested rates.
@mcdougle4248 - it's a catch 22 for sure. There's no way this doesn't lead to a race to the bottom game where sellers either suffer from not having the impressions they used to or increase their prices to compensate for the increased ad costs.
I don't know if eBay just hasn't done the math here or they just don't care, but a huge part of being the "partner of choice" is offering a platform on which sellers can compete against the larger overall online marketplace.
If prices have to be 10% higher on eBay than a competing marketplace or direct site just to cover the additional costs of advertising, we all lose - including eBay in the long run.
This decision is short sighted, shady, underhanded and....I should just stop there before I get myself in trouble.