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Negative Feedback from Angry Buyer

I recently have attempted to have a negative feedback removed from an unreasonable buyer that expected an immediate refund during the holiday shipping rush when USPS had posted a shipping delay. Needless to say eBay is doing nothing to resolve the issue. I provided full refund within what would be a normal period of time. How do you get eBay to respond to anything?

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It's been said numerous times to call until you get a rep that will remove it, even in cases where there are no grounds for removal, because its been said, you might get lucky and get a rep that will remove it.  Some justify this by saying that you might not get a competent rep the first time, but again,  it's also been said, you might get lucky and get a rep that would remove it, whether or not there are grounds for this.

 

Some find it hard to accept that feedback may be removed if there are no grounds, but if you read the Boards a lot, sellers have posted they simply complained about feedback with no grounds for removal, and it was removed.

 

There was no reason for these sellers to lie, but perhaps this is something that some don't want others to know, for some reason.  

 

I'm only stating what many other posts have said.  

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It's also been said that responding doesn't necessarily eliminate the ability for the feedback to be removed. Again, no reason for those sellers that said this to lie.
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It's not the response that I have an issue with. Sellers are welcome to soil their own feedback page.  I agree that a follow up does not seem to stop Ebay from removing the original feedback unless it proves the initial feedback is correct.

 

It's the feedback the OP left for the buyer that I object to and could cause problems for the OP. 

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@fern*wood wrote:

I thought the old rule about mentioning a case had been eliminated.


Trinton has said you can mention the result but not the case.  I believe it used to be you couldn't mention either.

 

It might be best to mention neither, though, to be sure a neg isn't removed.

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

It's not the response that I have an issue with. Sellers are welcome to soil their own feedback page.  I agree that a follow up does not seem to stop Ebay from removing the original feedback unless it proves the initial feedback is correct.

 

It's the feedback the OP left for the buyer that I object to and could cause problems for the OP. 


I agree.  

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

No one that understands the process would tell you to call until they remove it as that will do nothing for you except waste your time and drive you crazy.  Some of us have been know to suggest that if when you first call you don't get what you are looking for, call again.  Sometimes it is just the person you get.  But if there is real cause, something that breaches one of the FB rules, then call again if you don't get it resolve the first time.  But NEVER do we say to continue to call time after time.  

 

With that said, there was unfortunately a couple mistakes here made by you that is preventing you from getting this FB removed.  I know it wasn't intentional, but there there are two reasons why you can't get the FB removed.

 

1.  You waited too long.

2.  You shouldn't have responded to the FB.

 

While number 2 isn't always a reason they won't remove the FB, but it does sometimes play into it.

 

You did have cause to have the FB removed.  It has nothing to do with being the buyer's opinion or not.  That mere fact doesn't always mean the FB is fine.  But yours does actually breach one of the rules.  Buyers are not suppose to mention a case in their FB they leave.  But Ebay will only entertain the possibility of removing FB for cause within 30 days of receiving it or thereabouts.  

 

I know that stings a little.  But now you know and if it ever happens again, you know what to do and what not to do.  


Only the comment would be eligible  for removal not the rating itself


The buyer mentioned the Ebay claim.  That is a breach of the FB rules.  So if this FB wasn't as old as it is and if the seller had not responded the way they did, it could have been removed.  But now it is just too late.

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/membertomember-contact-policy?id=4262

 

 

 


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@fern*wood wrote:

I thought the old rule about mentioning a case had been eliminated.


Its been moved to the member to member contact page.  

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/membertomember-contact-policy?id=4262

 

but it only qualifies the comment for being removed which has actually always been the case

 


That has not been my experience.  And while it has been awhile, I have offered this same advice to other sellers in a similar position and the FB was removed.  But I don't have any of the details anymore so I can't support that statement other than to say we have different experiences in regards to this.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@dubiousgain wrote:

@loveyourimagination49 wrote:
If it’s over 60 days it will not be removed. It seems as you and the buyer had issues with this transaction. If the buyer didn’t get their item, they can leave negative feedback. Busy holiday season isn’t an excuse, sorry.

Just as well not to stir the pot...O/P might have been sanctioned for leaving buyer a false poz FB.  Smiley Wink


You're right.  That is a violation.  

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

It's not the response that I have an issue with. Sellers are welcome to soil their own feedback page.  I agree that a follow up does not seem to stop Ebay from removing the original feedback unless it proves the initial feedback is correct.

 

It's the feedback the OP left for the buyer that I object to and could cause problems for the OP. 


For the record, Castle is responding to a post I made upthread.  I think it was part of my post that may have been misunderstood.  I thought I had said that it MAY cause it not to be removed.  Sorry for the confusion.

 

When Ebay removes FB comments they may just do that and not remove the actual rating the buyer left.  I have seen this happen when a seller comments to a FB.   Just an observation.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

No one that understands the process would tell you to call until they remove it as that will do nothing for you except waste your time and drive you crazy.  Some of us have been know to suggest that if when you first call you don't get what you are looking for, call again.  Sometimes it is just the person you get.  But if there is real cause, something that breaches one of the FB rules, then call again if you don't get it resolve the first time.  But NEVER do we say to continue to call time after time.  

 

With that said, there was unfortunately a couple mistakes here made by you that is preventing you from getting this FB removed.  I know it wasn't intentional, but there there are two reasons why you can't get the FB removed.

 

1.  You waited too long.

2.  You shouldn't have responded to the FB.

 

While number 2 isn't always a reason they won't remove the FB, but it does sometimes play into it.

 

You did have cause to have the FB removed.  It has nothing to do with being the buyer's opinion or not.  That mere fact doesn't always mean the FB is fine.  But yours does actually breach one of the rules.  Buyers are not suppose to mention a case in their FB they leave.  But Ebay will only entertain the possibility of removing FB for cause within 30 days of receiving it or thereabouts.  

 

I know that stings a little.  But now you know and if it ever happens again, you know what to do and what not to do.  


Only the comment would be eligible  for removal not the rating itself


The buyer mentioned the Ebay claim.  That is a breach of the FB rules.  So if this FB wasn't as old as it is and if the seller had not responded the way they did, it could have been removed.  But now it is just too late.

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/membertomember-contact-policy?id=4262

 

 

 


Yes as I said and that page says it qualifies for the comment to be removed it does not qualify for the rating.  

“Birth certificates show that you were born. Death certificates show that you died. Photographs show that you have lived.” -Unknown
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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@fern*wood wrote:

I thought the old rule about mentioning a case had been eliminated.


Trinton has said you can mention the result but not the case.  I believe it used to be you couldn't mention either.

 

It might be best to mention neither, though, to be sure a neg isn't removed.


Which is why if the OP had tried to take care of this within 30 or so days of receiving the negative FB, they would have been able to have the FB removed as the buyer DID reference a "Case".

 

"This clock never got to me.I had to open a case to get my$ back.No communication"


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@fern*wood wrote:

I thought the old rule about mentioning a case had been eliminated.


Its been moved to the member to member contact page.  

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/membertomember-contact-policy?id=4262

 

but it only qualifies the comment for being removed which has actually always been the case

 


That has not been my experience.  And while it has been awhile, I have offered this same advice to other sellers in a similar position and the FB was removed.  But I don't have any of the details anymore so I can't support that statement other than to say we have different experiences in regards to this.


Yes that’s been what I’ve seen happen often as well. But that’s not the policy.  The policy is just that the comment qualifies.   The reps who are removing the full feedback are doing so in error 

“Birth certificates show that you were born. Death certificates show that you died. Photographs show that you have lived.” -Unknown
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Wow...you really stepped in it. I think you need to let this one go or you may face consequences for that false positive.

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@fern*wood wrote:

I thought the old rule about mentioning a case had been eliminated.


Its been moved to the member to member contact page.  

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/membertomember-contact-policy?id=4262

 

but it only qualifies the comment for being removed which has actually always been the case

 


That has not been my experience.  And while it has been awhile, I have offered this same advice to other sellers in a similar position and the FB was removed.  But I don't have any of the details anymore so I can't support that statement other than to say we have different experiences in regards to this.


Yes that’s been what I’ve seen happen often as well. But that’s not the policy.  The policy is just that the comment qualifies.   The reps who are removing the full feedback are doing so in error 


The written policy leaves that a bit open ended.  It says that it MAY, Ebay uses that word a lot to leave themselves room to move.  But like you, when comments are involved, often times we will only see the comments of the original FB removed and the comments remain.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Yes, ebay usually just remove the comments and not the donut.

 

However, I've only seen ebay remove the comments when the buyer actually put the words ebay or paypal in the feedback comments. 

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