03-13-2020 03:39 PM
I just heard on the news that with the US in a State of Emergency States with Price Gouging Laws can take action against Resellers who are at fault, INCLUDING (and they Named these) both eBay and Amazon.
Now, all those threads about price gouging take on a new perspective. If the state of California has a price gouging law in place OR passes one in short order then I suspect eBay will have the authority to regulate prices sold through its venue ...
03-14-2020 04:31 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
Most people will willingly self quarantine and the few that won't, well hopefully we find the right way to deal with that without fear and unreasonable measures.
I hope you're right. Making a casual observation on the prior inhabitants of a certain US state that have been moving to my state in droves the past couple of years, I'm not sure that I will agree that's the case.
Incessant self-obsession doesn't lend itself to having one decide to do things for the "greater good."
03-14-2020 04:35 PM
@equid0x wrote:
@mr_lincoln wrote:@inhawaii wrote: "You know how i can't resist price gouging threads. "
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LOL! Good one! I've posted on a few and while I agree that it's rather sleazy for Gougers in the end unless eBay steps in (like they are trying to do) a Seller can price something for whatever they want ... so then it comes don't to Buyers simply NOT purchasing from them and the prices will eventually come down ... hopefully those Gougers in the end will get stuck with their inventory and not be able to sell it ... and that could happen sooner rather than later if the CDC comes out with a statement about those products not being effective ... stranger things have happened.
As to the prices on the Masks ... keep in mind eBay announced they would be taking down certain listings ... now with the Federal Government's State of Emergency they may become more aggressive OR regulate the prices if their state laws allow that (or if eBay simply decides to do it, it's their venue after all).
"Price Gouging" generally only applies to items that are considered "essential for life" like food, medicines, water, etc.
I know inhawaii loves the price gouging threads, but in this case, I will have to agree. Most people seem to be under the impression that "price gouging" is something it isn't.
Just because you don't agree with a vendor's price on a product or service, doesn't make it "price gouging."
In general, the terms for dictating price gouging a pretty specific in law. Typically only applies to items that are absolutely essential. This means a lot of things like hand sanitizer, TP, clorox wipes... yeah, they may seem essential.. TO YOU... but they are totally non-essential.
Regardless, inhawaii's point is correct. These laws don't have any basis for determining what "price gouging" is and are therefore invalid. Most of the silly Dem's can't seem to grasp that they've been "duped" by their elected representatives with these laws, which do nothing but score them political points at election time.
In order for the laws to be valid, they will need to set forth a mechanism by which the "previous market price" is determined. It will need to be specific. Something like ... "the average retailer price as calculated by averaging the US top 5 major retailers pricing for the previous 2 week period" otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.
You may want to visit some of the laws that are in place for price gouging. That is NOT how they are worded. It is what posters have been saying, but Ebay and the rest of the world have to follow how the laws are written.
https://www.cbs19news.com/story/41889526/emergency-declaration-activates-antiprice-gouging-law
And excerpt from the above link.
The anti-price gouging law was enacted in 2004 and it prohibits a supplier from charging "unconscionable prices" for "necessary goods and services" during the 30-day period following a declared state of emergency.
These items can include water, ice, food, cleaning products, hand sanitizers, medicines, personal protective gear and more.
The release says the basic test to see if a price is too high is if the post-disaster price grossly exceeds the price charged for the same or similar goods and services during the ten days preceding the disaster.
And states have their laws too.
I don't think anyone has posted that they think price gouging is "Just because you don't agree with a vendor's price on a product or service..." And that has not what prompted the ban on Ebay.
But hopefully the above information will better inform you so that you know what you have stated here is not accurate, well not at least according to federal government.
03-14-2020 04:53 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
@equid0x wrote:
@mr_lincoln wrote:@inhawaii wrote: "You know how i can't resist price gouging threads. "
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LOL! Good one! I've posted on a few and while I agree that it's rather sleazy for Gougers in the end unless eBay steps in (like they are trying to do) a Seller can price something for whatever they want ... so then it comes don't to Buyers simply NOT purchasing from them and the prices will eventually come down ... hopefully those Gougers in the end will get stuck with their inventory and not be able to sell it ... and that could happen sooner rather than later if the CDC comes out with a statement about those products not being effective ... stranger things have happened.
As to the prices on the Masks ... keep in mind eBay announced they would be taking down certain listings ... now with the Federal Government's State of Emergency they may become more aggressive OR regulate the prices if their state laws allow that (or if eBay simply decides to do it, it's their venue after all).
"Price Gouging" generally only applies to items that are considered "essential for life" like food, medicines, water, etc.
I know inhawaii loves the price gouging threads, but in this case, I will have to agree. Most people seem to be under the impression that "price gouging" is something it isn't.
Just because you don't agree with a vendor's price on a product or service, doesn't make it "price gouging."
In general, the terms for dictating price gouging a pretty specific in law. Typically only applies to items that are absolutely essential. This means a lot of things like hand sanitizer, TP, clorox wipes... yeah, they may seem essential.. TO YOU... but they are totally non-essential.
Regardless, inhawaii's point is correct. These laws don't have any basis for determining what "price gouging" is and are therefore invalid. Most of the silly Dem's can't seem to grasp that they've been "duped" by their elected representatives with these laws, which do nothing but score them political points at election time.
In order for the laws to be valid, they will need to set forth a mechanism by which the "previous market price" is determined. It will need to be specific. Something like ... "the average retailer price as calculated by averaging the US top 5 major retailers pricing for the previous 2 week period" otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.
You may want to visit some of the laws that are in place for price gouging. That is NOT how they are worded. It is what posters have been saying, but Ebay and the rest of the world have to follow how the laws are written.
https://www.cbs19news.com/story/41889526/emergency-declaration-activates-antiprice-gouging-law
And excerpt from the above link.
The anti-price gouging law was enacted in 2004 and it prohibits a supplier from charging "unconscionable prices" for "necessary goods and services" during the 30-day period following a declared state of emergency.
These items can include water, ice, food, cleaning products, hand sanitizers, medicines, personal protective gear and more.
The release says the basic test to see if a price is too high is if the post-disaster price grossly exceeds the price charged for the same or similar goods and services during the ten days preceding the disaster.
And states have their laws too.
I don't think anyone has posted that they think price gouging is "Just because you don't agree with a vendor's price on a product or service..." And that has not what prompted the ban on Ebay.
But hopefully the above information will better inform you so that you know what you have stated here is not accurate, well not at least according to federal government.
They're all state laws except for gas.
Who decides what is "unconscionable?" The laws don't set that out. As I said, unenforceable.
People always complain about how IRS laws are so complicated and "draconian" and this is exactly why. The law cannot state than some price in "unconscionable" and then fail to define exactly what "unconscionable" is.
It would all be civil penalties anyways...
This is exactly why every law has a whole set of defined terms right at the beginning.
What is "grossly exceeding" the previous price, when price to acquire supply is also "grossly exceeding" previous pricing?
Sorry, but these laws are... flimsy. They make a good show at election time, but even the politicians who participate in them know that they are not written to be enforceable.
03-14-2020 05:20 PM
Look, I'm not getting into another one of these endless debates with you. What you said in your this post and your previous post are incorrect. I gave you a link to the CORRECT information so you could see for yourself. I can't help you if you refuse to accept that. But Please don't pass around incorrect information. It serves no good purpose whatsoever, for anyone.
03-14-2020 06:02 PM
Thanks Mam....You and Mr. Lincoln keep me Going on Here...I am Thankful both of you take the Time to Respond... Thanks Again...😄😄
03-14-2020 06:30 PM
@mam98031 wrote:Look, I'm not getting into another one of these endless debates with you. What you said in your this post and your previous post are incorrect. I gave you a link to the CORRECT information so you could see for yourself. I can't help you if you refuse to accept that. But Please don't pass around incorrect information. It serves no good purpose whatsoever, for anyone.
Which information was that?
03-14-2020 07:35 PM
The market is dictating the price. High Demand+Low Supply=Higher price. This is common sense.
03-14-2020 09:24 PM
03-14-2020 11:18 PM
@goldxxxsilver wrote:Thanks Mam....You and Mr. Lincoln keep me Going on Here...I am Thankful both of you take the Time to Respond... Thanks Again...😄😄
And very kind of you to take the time to acknowledge this. I'm very glad I could help even it is is just a little bit. We all need to stay informed with the real facts not the gossip or assumptions. This is to important not to take the time to be informed. You stay safe and healthy. If you have any question ask. If I don't have the answer or can't find it, I'll be honest about it. Be prepared for the worse and hope for the best.
03-14-2020 11:20 PM
@badassbugs1 wrote:
So why was amazon who hads 10,000s of listing able top it and ebay has to play catch up? For every scammer I report the just make a new listing. Why can amazon actually follow their policies but ebay can not?
The way of listing on Amazon is completely different from how we list on Ebay. I prefer the way we list on Ebay to how we list on Amazon but those differences are likely what makes it easier for Amazon to capture the offending items.
03-15-2020 05:04 AM
@goldxxxsilver wrote:Thanks Mam....You and Mr. Lincoln keep me Going on Here...I am Thankful both of you take the Time to Respond... Thanks Again...😄😄
My sincere thanks for those kind words ...
03-15-2020 05:10 AM
All these "price gouging" threads here have made me laugh. The forum history is awash with people bragging of going to a garage sale or thrift store, buying something for a dollar, and selling it on Ebay for hundreds. Heck, even many of the so called "experts" on here say if you can't list an item for 10 times what you paid for it, it's not worth it. But heaven forbid someone list a $2 bottle of hand sanitizer for $20 - that's naughty. Yes, I realize it's Ebay's site, and they can do what they want, but the hypocrisy here from many of the posters is mind blowing.
03-15-2020 05:22 AM
@badassbugs1 wrote:
So why was amazon who hads 10,000s of listing able top it and ebay has to play catch up? For every scammer I report the just make a new listing. Why can amazon actually follow their policies but ebay can not?
Because they catalog stuff................they group by UPC so they can can listings in mass...........
03-15-2020 05:50 AM
fixed price formats only on sites like EBAY. no auctions. (take out the bidding wars)
make like a $10 ceiling price with $10 fixed price on shipping across the board regardless of size or amount sold. (make them sellers break down their supply)
Suspend accounts of sellers immediately after 1st warning with no appeal. (no second chances for price gouging)
Monitor price gouging conversations and suspend accounts of those engaged. (these online sites already monitor your conversations with buyers already in case you didn't know to prevent people trying to avoid their selling fees)
Tell retail stores or local govt to accept unopened items for a fixed rate of store or tax credit from last selling price with minimum quantity amounts. (case, box, etc)
This can all be monitored by an employees at a stay home location except the returns.
If they sue, and are convicted of price gouging, they are forced to pay court fees
force the hand of price gougers to bring back or sell at cost. Complex times call for specific measures,
03-15-2020 06:24 AM
@thebige333 wrote:
fixed price formats only on sites like EBAY. no auctions. (take out the bidding wars)
make like a $10 ceiling price with $10 fixed price on shipping across the board regardless of size or amount sold. (make them sellers break down their supply)
Suspend accounts of sellers immediately after 1st warning with no appeal. (no second chances for price gouging)
Monitor price gouging conversations and suspend accounts of those engaged. (these online sites already monitor your conversations with buyers already in case you didn't know to prevent people trying to avoid their selling fees)
Tell retail stores or local govt to accept unopened items for a fixed rate of store or tax credit from last selling price with minimum quantity amounts. (case, box, etc)
This can all be monitored by an employees at a stay home location except the returns.
If they sue, and are convicted of price gouging, they are forced to pay court fees
force the hand of price gougers to bring back or sell at cost. Complex times call for specific measures,
One thing nobody has mentioned is that Savvy Buyers may process SNAD claims and return empty boxes ... hopefully they wouldn't return "used" items ... hmmmmm?!?