NEWS FLASH! With the US in a State of Emergency States that have Price Gouging Laws can apply them!
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‎03-13-2020 03:39 PM
I just heard on the news that with the US in a State of Emergency States with Price Gouging Laws can take action against Resellers who are at fault, INCLUDING (and they Named these) both eBay and Amazon.
Now, all those threads about price gouging take on a new perspective. If the state of California has a price gouging law in place OR passes one in short order then I suspect eBay will have the authority to regulate prices sold through its venue ...
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‎03-14-2020 12:36 PM
eBay can't possibly police these listings to prevent gouging whether fixed price or auctions, and for the time being should just ban them all. It won't matter where you advertise as there will be people who see the ad and report them.
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‎03-14-2020 01:10 PM
Unfortunately it will have to take action at the government level because as long as ebays gets their sellers fee they just aren't interested in stopping the price gouging. Amazon which is a much larger platform was able to put almost an immediate stop to price gouging but ebay on the other hand:
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‎03-14-2020 01:15 PM
I can't believe I saw a seller here on Ebay trying to sell a package of toilet paper for 250.00 😳 Seriously???
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‎03-14-2020 01:23 PM
I just read about a man in the northeast who purchased a bottle of Purell hand sanitiser for $8 and sold it on eBay the ver same day for $138. Anyone who would do this during a human health crisis is one of the lowest of the lowest ranking people out there as far as I am concerned. To profit from the very real fear and concern over possible loss of human life is despicable. There is a special little corner in the Inferno for people like that.
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‎03-14-2020 01:37 PM
It's continuing today. Toilet paper at $48. for 8 rolls. Is eBay not monitoring this?. It's a ethics issues too. I was going to bid on a item until I saw their price gouging. They won't get any business from me
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‎03-14-2020 01:39 PM
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‎03-14-2020 01:50 PM
Exactly. I had an abundance of hand sanitiser from the last semi-annual sale at B&BW. I offered to give away most of it to my city's civil servants who have to keep working no matter what is going on, e.g. Code Compliance, police, ambulance workers, etc.
Anyone who is price gouging on things like toilet tissue, water, disinfectants, etc., right now is no better than the people who did the same sort of thing in concentration camps/prisoner of war camps decades ago. They are morally bankrupt.
I do not think anyone has to be raised a theist to understand that profiting from your fellow human beings's fears and suffering is morally wrong. Those who do so simply have no social conscience. They may not be full blown socio-paths, but they have a hefty swath of it in their DNA if you ask me. Thank goodness the majority of people in this world behave in the exact opposite way.
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‎03-14-2020 02:03 PM
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‎03-14-2020 02:31 PM
@socalboomer50 wrote:eBay can't possibly police these listings to prevent gouging whether fixed price or auctions, and for the time being should just ban them all. It won't matter where you advertise as there will be people who see the ad and report them.
My post that you were responding to wasn't about what you state above.
But with that said I agree with you and I've said that very think on various threads over the past couple of weeks.
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‎03-14-2020 02:34 PM
It is a process for Ebay. They have closed 1,000's of listings over the past 10 or so days. More keep cropping up and they try to catch those too.
Out of the ones you provided links to. As of this post one has been removed.
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‎03-14-2020 02:34 PM - edited ‎03-14-2020 02:37 PM
@rainingrayon wrote:It's continuing today. Toilet paper at $48. for 8 rolls. Is eBay not monitoring this?. It's a ethics issues too. I was going to bid on a item until I saw their price gouging. They won't get any business from me
If you were going to BID or an item at auction, where does the 'gouging' come in, unless the starting price is way high?
I see that the ones that are still up are auctions starting at 9.99. I see nothing wrong with that.
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‎03-14-2020 03:41 PM
@moondogblues wrote:
" 2009 Swine flu and the 17,000 US deaths from that one "
Apples and oranges...one is a yearly figure and the other just from January/Feb/and part of March.
Yes, I get that BUT the big difference is for Coronavirus the US put a travel ban from China in place early, Italy didn't and our gov has declared a state of Emergency ... in 2009 no travel restrictions and a State of Emergency took 6 months to declare ...
I grant you its not an apples to apples comparison but its better then comparing it with the regular annual flu that starts in southeast Asia and migrates around the world.
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‎03-14-2020 04:25 PM
@mr_lincoln wrote:@inhawaii wrote: "You know how i can't resist price gouging threads. "
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LOL! Good one! I've posted on a few and while I agree that it's rather sleazy for Gougers in the end unless eBay steps in (like they are trying to do) a Seller can price something for whatever they want ... so then it comes don't to Buyers simply NOT purchasing from them and the prices will eventually come down ... hopefully those Gougers in the end will get stuck with their inventory and not be able to sell it ... and that could happen sooner rather than later if the CDC comes out with a statement about those products not being effective ... stranger things have happened.
As to the prices on the Masks ... keep in mind eBay announced they would be taking down certain listings ... now with the Federal Government's State of Emergency they may become more aggressive OR regulate the prices if their state laws allow that (or if eBay simply decides to do it, it's their venue after all).
"Price Gouging" generally only applies to items that are considered "essential for life" like food, medicines, water, etc.
I know inhawaii loves the price gouging threads, but in this case, I will have to agree. Most people seem to be under the impression that "price gouging" is something it isn't.
Just because you don't agree with a vendor's price on a product or service, doesn't make it "price gouging."
In general, the terms for dictating price gouging a pretty specific in law. Typically only applies to items that are absolutely essential. This means a lot of things like hand sanitizer, TP, clorox wipes... yeah, they may seem essential.. TO YOU... but they are totally non-essential.
Regardless, inhawaii's point is correct. These laws don't have any basis for determining what "price gouging" is and are therefore invalid. Most of the silly Dem's can't seem to grasp that they've been "duped" by their elected representatives with these laws, which do nothing but score them political points at election time.
In order for the laws to be valid, they will need to set forth a mechanism by which the "previous market price" is determined. It will need to be specific. Something like ... "the average retailer price as calculated by averaging the US top 5 major retailers pricing for the previous 2 week period" otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.
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‎03-14-2020 04:26 PM
@mr_lincoln wrote:
@moondogblues wrote:
" 2009 Swine flu and the 17,000 US deaths from that one "
Apples and oranges...one is a yearly figure and the other just from January/Feb/and part of March.Yes, I get that BUT the big difference is for Coronavirus the US put a travel ban from China in place early, Italy didn't and our gov has declared a state of Emergency ... in 2009 no travel restrictions and a State of Emergency took 6 months to declare ...
I grant you its not an apples to apples comparison but its better then comparing it with the regular annual flu that starts in southeast Asia and migrates around the world.
I'm not sure how helpful it is to try and relive or revisit the actions or inactions taken in 2009. It would be a complex discussion to say the least.
You are however convinced of certain things with the current Pandemic that are not completely true.
We knew about the virus in late December 2019. Because this virus started in 2019 is why the name is Covid19. It is very debatable if 30+ days is "early" for banning travel on China. It also took close over 2 1/2 months for the National state of Emergency to be declared. Again debatable on how quickly that was done.
But with that said, we are where we are. It is my hope that the recent things that the government is doing will get us on the right path to learning more about this virus and how to contain it. It is past time and all the missteps and hold ups on getting tests out to the areas where they are needed was unnecessary and caused great harm to the process. Next week that should all change as more kits get released in numbers that matter.
We can all see how the number of infected continue to climb as more and more test kits become available and people that need to be tested get tested. From the first of the week till now that number and more than quadrupled.
That is what is important. Finding those that are infected is the only way to get this thing under control. Most people will willingly self quarantine and the few that won't, well hopefully we find the right way to deal with that without fear and unreasonable measures.
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‎03-14-2020 04:27 PM
@j2774 wrote:Exactly. I had an abundance of hand sanitiser from the last semi-annual sale at B&BW. I offered to give away most of it to my city's civil servants who have to keep working no matter what is going on, e.g. Code Compliance, police, ambulance workers, etc.
Anyone who is price gouging on things like toilet tissue, water, disinfectants, etc., right now is no better than the people who did the same sort of thing in concentration camps/prisoner of war camps decades ago. They are morally bankrupt.
I do not think anyone has to be raised a theist to understand that profiting from your fellow human beings's fears and suffering is morally wrong. Those who do so simply have no social conscience. They may not be full blown socio-paths, but they have a hefty swath of it in their DNA if you ask me. Thank goodness the majority of people in this world behave in the exact opposite way.
I'm wondering when most businessmen weren't "morally bankrupt?"
