08-09-2021 09:02 PM
Just curious - as a Seller, when you classify an item you are listing for sale, what does "Like New" mean to you?
What would make you not call it "Like New"?
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08-10-2021 08:12 AM
Grading any item is so subjective, and there are many standards to go by. I use Goldmine standards for recorded media:
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For vinyl, I don't use "Like New." I will use Near Mint (NM) instead, but there are so few records I've ever come across that are NM, let alone M(int.) Vinyl is so variable in terms of what you get right out of a sealed package. I've seen vinyl right out of the shrink wrap with pressing artifacts, fingerprints, hairline scratches and mold release compounds all over it such that I'd grade it no better than VG. For NM under my grading, it has to have: NO defects at all on the outer cardboard sleeve (one minuscule corner ding might be OK if noted in defects,) no defects or wrinkles on the inner sleeve, never-been-touched inlay (or handled with white gloves,) and certainly no artifacts or visible imperfections on the vinyl, period. The glossiness of the record should nearly blind you, the label is perfectly on-center with a pretty spindle hole, the record is pressed perfectly in round, there is not even a slight warp or bump (the tonearm should stay completely still while tracking,) and so on. Preferably, it's never had a stylus dragged through it. I've seen only about 4-5 examples of this high of a grade of vinyl in my lifetime and I've been spinning since I was very young. Most vinyl that I see, even straight out of the shrink wrap, is typically VG+.
CDs are a little easier. NM means no imperfections on the disc, period, no scuffs on the jewel case, the booklet has never been removed or touched (or has no imperfections or fingerprints.). Most CDs right out of the shrink wrap do meet NM condition, but few used discs I come across meet this standard, most are, as with vinyl, VG+. Those I've opened but never played, I will list as NM as long as the booklet and case are perfect.
eBay says, for Movies & TV, Music, Video Games:
To me, that means not even the outer case, even though replaceable, has any marks on it whatsoever, so unless it was just removed from the shrink wrap, I don't use this condition due to the words "all facets," and "flawless."
Then, things get crazy for other categories, like stamps, coins, books all have their own set of grading standards.
08-09-2021 09:07 PM
@katzrul15 wrote:Just curious - as a Seller, when you classify an item you are listing for sale, what does "Like New" mean to you?
What would make you not call it "Like New"?
Maybe I don't trust myself but the highest my rating scale goes for what I sell is "very good" unless it has tags (new) or I know it's new and it doesn't have tags (i.e., like the 'ethnic' clothing I get from small shops which don't tag but I know where it's from).
08-09-2021 09:09 PM - edited 08-09-2021 09:12 PM
Good question as I only sell brand new stuff. Never really thought about it but knowing my standards I’d say something that would be brand new but missing original packaging I guess. This opens up a can of worms since it’s POSSIBLE some people believe the term “brand new” is also subjective. Whereas I believe it isn’t.
Perhaps my answer will differ depending on the type of item we are talking about too. It might be easier for me to label an existing item “like new” or not rather than give my criteria for it.
08-09-2021 09:10 PM
I’ll tell you this though. Whenever I hear that something is “like new”, it’ll always raise a brow with me and I’ll proceed with caution.
08-09-2021 09:11 PM
I’m a little braver than Chap - if the fabric still has its sizing, no fraying at the seams, etc., I’ll label it like new or NOS.
I put “used” on everything else.
08-09-2021 09:15 PM
Yeah "like new" to one person is not "like new" to another. I'd rather under-promise and over-deliver. If it still has sizing, tailor's tacks, etc., I will mention that, too, and say it's appears unworn (but I still sell as pre-owned) - may be I was a lawyer in another life lol.
08-09-2021 09:18 PM - edited 08-09-2021 09:19 PM
I use it for new items not in gift-giving condition. I rarely use it, but an example would be a new item with tears or missing pieces in the shrink wrap.
Edited to add: I always explain the the condition block why it's listed as like new instead of new.
08-09-2021 09:31 PM
Oh are we talking strictly clothing here? I actually was thinking other categories when I answered, like collectibles or electronics.
I would think clothing would be waaay more complicated in determining “like new”. Honestly I have no idea where I would draw the line for “like new” clothing.
08-09-2021 09:33 PM
Personally, I consider the term "Like New" about the same as "Almost A Virgin."
08-09-2021 09:38 PM
I have access to what are referred to as "publisher review copies" of books, which are not "retail new," but neither are they "used," since most have never even been opened and/or read. So I refer to them as "Like New," so long as they do not show any shelf-wear.
08-09-2021 09:38 PM - edited 08-09-2021 09:43 PM
The only two categories that use this condition description are
Books & Magazines
Movies & TV, Music, Video Games
08-09-2021 09:39 PM
Actually was not referring to clothing per se. Could apply to anything actually.
Did not wish to explain up front so it did not influence your response. I too have really high standards and rarely use Like New as a descriptor.
And yes, under promise, over deliver.
However, it appears to run the gambit, so very interested in the thought process a Seller uses and why.
08-09-2021 09:41 PM
@gjs_16 wrote:Like new - An apparently untouched item in perfect condition. The original protective wrapping, if any, may be missing. There are absolutely no signs of wear, the item has not been used at all.
Yes. This is what e-Bay says is Like New. Item never used at all.
08-09-2021 09:53 PM
Have seen clothing listed that is vintage, seller says has been laundered, listed as Like New
Books that are missing Dust Jackets listed as Like New
Books, stated as read once, Like New
Electronic item missing the Box - Like New
Electronic Item, Refurbished - Like New
New Toy, opened and factory batteries replaced - listed as Like New
08-09-2021 10:19 PM
The only times I've ever used that specific condition descriptor was for some DVDs and video games where I'd taken the shrink wrap off them but then never used/played them. They were, for all practical purposes, basically new, just with no shrink wrap.