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I learned something today

I mistakenly believed that a buyer was supposed to give the seller a chance to respond or make things right before leaving bad feedback.   But I learned from eBay today that the buyer does not have to give a seller a chance to respond.

 

A few weeks ago I learned that a buyer was not happy by way of seeing the feedback.  He had sent me an email but I had not seen that email.  

 

I called ebay to see about getting it removed because I had not had a chance to respond.  eBay told me that the buyer did not have to give me a chance to respond.

 

I asked, "Is it because I missed his email?"  I believed that maybe eBay would use that as the reason, as in, I was negligent in not seeing the email.  I mean, there was negligence on my part for that.  If eBay had told me that were not going to change it for that reason I would not be typing this.  But they told me that they were denying my request because the buyer claimed the shipment was incomplete.

 

The buyer claimed he received only 17 of the 20 poker chips from the auction he had one..  Even though I am absolutely positive the shipment (of 20 LeCove poker chips) was complete, I would certainly have sent the chips if I had had the opportunity to.  Regarding his claim, my guess is that he needed 3 more chips to make 100 or something.  LeCove chips are highly collectible and hard to find.  I would have sent 3 more before I got that feedback even though I am absolutely positive beyond any doubt I sent 20.

 

After he left the feedback he told me he would change the feedback if I sent the three chips.   I declined to send the chips because my experience with people who make false claims is that they don't keep their word.  eBay didn't see it that way, saying that the buyer was willing to resolve the dispute and suggested I send the chips.  I am going to do as eBay suggested but I don't expect the feedback to this character to change the feedback.  eBay acknowledged that he might not change it--it's up to him.

 

i didn't know until today that buyers can give immediate badly feedback  without even contacting the seller at all.   (This particular buyer, as I said, did contact me, but he didn't have to contact me at all in order to leave bad feedback, according to eBay.)   I told the person I talked to that I was going to start leaving immediate bad feedback for seller unless i was 100% happy with the item, but I am absolutely not gonna do that.  What I do think I am going to do is reduce my activity on eBay. 

 

I was really disappointed by what eBay told me.  I believed I had some type of protection against totally unreasonable buyers.  Actually, I didn't think that, but I have believed I could deal with unreasonable buyers.  As in this instance I offered to give this guy a full refund and let him just keep the chips and I would send him 3 more or 10 more.  But even if I did that, according to eBay, this guy has the right to leave the feedback unchanged.  I have not heard anything this absurd in a long time. 

 

In the meantime PayPal is keeping the funds on hold because they aren't sure the buyer is satisfied and he may want to return the goods, which the buyer has not mentioned and which I am certain he would not want to do.

 

i needed a good laugh today.  I mean. all I can do is laugh at this and I certainly have.

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I sent him 3 chips yesterday. I called eBay and talked to Farrah Wednesday and that is what she suggested and then Carlos, who I think is Farrah's boss, called me on Thursday and he said the same thing. I was really impressed with how both of those two were concerned about this, and about how Carlos, who I had never talked to, knew all the details. I believe both of them are genuinely concerned.

I sent the three chips even though I am absolutely certain I sent all of the chips that were in the picture, which were 20. If they had fallen out of the envelope, they would be here. Whether or not this qualifies as a feedback/extortion scam, I don't know and don't much care. But I sent 20 chips. I have no doubt. Carlos said they could have been lost by the postal service, which is true, but this guy never said the package was damaged.

Somebody made a comment about how long I have been on eBay and don't know about negative feedback. My experiences on eBay have been very positive all along. Something happened yesterday that reminded me of that: I opened an envelope I got in the mail and there was a $20 bill in it, with no explanation. But there was a name on the envelope. This guy had won an auction for some poker chips and I had thrown a few more chips in the envelope, some I thought he would like, based on what he had won, and a couple sets of casino dice.. The extra chips I threw in there were not worth $20. So what I am going to do--I have about 15 more of those chips the first guy won--I am going to just send those to the second guy and I am going to warn him that if he sells those on eBay--I am going to tell him to make sure he excludes the first guy from bidding.

Then I am going to tell the first guy what I did.

Regarding what Emerald40 said about a "professional follow up"--I am an amateur, not a professional.
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