eBay

mdf_jersey · ‎05-16-2019

So, I got suspended yesterday for 7 days, due to transactions out of Ebay. Fair enough . Ebay makes the rules. I sell higher end sport jerseys ranging in price of $300 to 6-8-$1000. Before you think, Wow I wish I can make money like that, let me say its not like I sell one everyday, especially today, and I have my cost into these items as well. When I sell a jersey for lets say $400 , ebay takes there 15-20% , and Pay Pal takes there ( whatever it is ) cut, which would work out to around $80 after all is done. To me that is a lot of money. Consider a seller who sells an item for $10 . His / her cost would be $2 to sell that item. If I sold an item for $1000 , my cost would be $200.

There is something wrong here. For both sellers we get the exact same service and tools to sell. There should be a cap somewhere.

I have been suspended for selling outside of Ebay. Did I learn anything?Your **bleep** right I will do it again, and will be smarter about it. If Ebay would give me a better percentage on my sold costs , then sure I am all about giving them their fair cut, and would have to look at ways of saving ton their absorbent fees..

Iknow , some of you are going to say, well why not leave Ebay, or that's the deal you signed up for. Which is fine. I get it. I guess I am just a rebel...Thanks for reading my rant.

jeannicho22 · ‎05-18-2019

@nmemoryof wrote:
If I were them, I'd let you come back on the condition that you pay upfront. Yes, you heard me. Pay before it sells. Otherwise forget it. If every seller decides to steal services, guess what? They cease to exist and we all lose.

But every seller won't decide to steal services. Some folk are rules followers and realize that no one gets something for nothing unless someone who get nothing for something. The end result is that eBay raises the fees on folks whose mommies and daddies did a better job of teaching them morals.

This is no different than paying taxes.

nmemoryof · ‎05-18-2019

That's true. So when some steal services, they not only steal from eBay, they indirectly steal from all of us.

tcscollectibles1 · ‎05-19-2019

Great point

tcscollectibles1 · ‎05-19-2019

lol...more rules than a trailer park

tcscollectibles1 · ‎05-19-2019

Whos cryin ?

tcscollectibles1 · ‎05-19-2019

Ebay is not the law...their policy is NOT law...your not breaking the LAW by not adhering to their policies in 99% of cases....the tiny % of folks selling something on here without going through the system probobly cost them less than it does to troll,and monitor potential violators...

*madison · ‎05-19-2019

Don't do off ebay transactions again if you want to continue selling on ebay, because if you are suspended again it will probably be a permanent suspension.

7606dennis · ‎05-19-2019

@tcscollectibles1 wrote:
Ebay is not the law...their policy is NOT law...your not breaking the LAW by not adhering to their policies in 99% of cases....the tiny % of folks selling something on here without going through the system probobly cost them less than it does to troll,and monitor potential violators...

Actually, violating the terms of the User Agreement which one has signed would, although not a criminal offense, would be a civil matter and thus result in a judgement against them.

"It is an intelligent man that is aware of his own ignorance."

ohnojoey · ‎05-19-2019

"Before you think, Wow I wish I can make money like that..."

I didn't think that at all, not even for a nanosecond.

"When I sell a jersey for lets say $400 , ebay takes there 15-20% , and Pay Pal takes there ( whatever it is ) cut, which would work out to around $80 after all is done. To me that is a lot of money. Consider a seller who sells an item for $10 . His / her cost would be $2 to sell that item. If I sold an item for $1000 , my cost would be $200. There is something wrong here."

Your math, that's what's wrong.

I think it's plausible you made up this post, especially with the silly, I'm going to continue selling off ebay bravado, in-your-face-ebay-whacha-gonna-do-about-it post. Hey, it got people to look at your listings! If I am wrong, I was entertained anyway!

nmemoryof · ‎05-19-2019

I never said eBay was government law. But eBay is protected by the laws of the land. You signed a contract with them when you signed up. Defiantly thwarting that contract in order to steal their services for your own financial gain is a bigger deal than you admit. But that's not even the point. The point is that what you are doing is wrong.

There are moral laws that transcend the mere written law. The same natural law that recognizes you have "God given rights" obligates you to not lie and cheat your way through life.

Your character, integrity, honesty...should mean more to your than a few ill-gotten gains acquired by sneaking around, lying, and cheating. "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

Do I think that makes you feel guilty? No. Because you're seared conscience is on full display on this thread. So haha...aren't you clever? You grab your quick gain and miss the entire big picture. Your conscience is so dulled that you come on this forum to brag and taunt. Count me as unimpressed.

NOTE: I'm not sure whether you are the same person as the OP only with a different user ID or if you just support his ideas. The above comment seems to apply to both of you, if you are two different people.

tcscollectibles1 · ‎05-19-2019

Oh boy...that Ebay Koolaid must be effective

equid0x · ‎05-19-2019

@nmemoryof wrote:
You are missing the big picture. eBay gets a percentage because eBay takes a risk with each and every transaction AND because eBay finds a buyer for your expensive items. It's both. It would be totally unfair for eBay to get $2 to

1. Find a buyer for your $1000 item; and
2. Take the risk of carrying a guarantee, offering customer service for problems, etc...for your $1000 item.

Who will you run to if you have a problem? eBay.
Who will the buyer call if he has a problem? eBay. Before you say "Well I don't want eBay to help the buyer" let me point out that without that protection, your buyer isn't going to send you any money. He'll look elsewhere.

If you want the service, pay up. Otherwise get your own website and do it all yourself.

When I first setup an account here in 2001, the FVF fee was something like 3.0-3.5% and also was not charged against shipping. You did, however, have to pay for every listing, and any photos other than the first one, if you did not host them yourself. Although, I think the listing fee was something like $0.10. I think PayPal was lower, as well... something like 2.1%.

Most of us didn't ask for eBay to add on all these additional "customer services," they did that themselves.

What are you quantifying as eBay's risk in showing a listing? As best I can tell, there really isn't any for them. They get paid whether you sell the item or not.

equid0x · ‎05-19-2019

@nmemoryof wrote:
The fees are extremely reasonable for what you get. Yes they have increased somewhat, but so has the efficiency of the website. It is WAY easier to list things now than it was 20 years ago. All of that costs money. You can buy your postage thru eBay. Uploading pictures is a BREEZE now, while it used to be rather complicated. You've got a whole office full of people taking phone calls about problems. You've got this forum where you can rant. They offer training. The list of what eBay does for both buyer and seller is very long. You expect them to do this for nothing? Either work the cost of their service into the cost of your goods or get outta Dodge. Don't cry to us if you get caught cheating. Cheating in this way is the same as stealing. You are stealing from eBay.

I can list at my local auction house, pretty much guaranteed to have the item gone by the end of the auction, no returns, exchanges, refunds, or non-paying bidders. The auction house charges a buyer's premium of 10%.

The whole point of bringing auctions online was to make the process less expensive than the physical arena. If all of the policies and automation are making eBay more expensive to run than a physical auction house, then maybe they ought to be taking a good hard look at their current business model.

equid0x · ‎05-19-2019

@nmemoryof wrote:
It's not a charity. They exist to make money just as sellers are here to make money for themselves. I've heard lots of people complain about eBay wanting to make money. Why is that bad? That's what businesses do.

While it is true that buyer protections have spent some time being blind to buyer fraud, you should not forget that buyer protections get you sales. This is especially true for higher priced items. I have purchased some high priced items on eBay that I would absolutely not have purchased without the protections.

First you have the functioning website and a worldwide market that you're paying for. Then you have the protections and many other things. You are always free to go it alone. Sell your stuff without eBay. But don't come here and steal their services. That is not fair to anyone.

Because they have run all of the fees and addons so high now, that when you combine all of the other involved expenses (merchant processing, shipping), everyone else is making a bigger cut than you are, but you're doing all the work.

equid0x · ‎05-19-2019

@hunterboo3dprinting wrote:
"On the other hand, if someone finds out about a listing through eBay, then eBay expects to be paid. Which is fair because their advertising / venue has made the sale possible."

So just out of curiosity, if someone goes to one of my listings and sees down at the bottom where other sellers are listing the same items and clicks on one of those sellers items and buys it, do I get a cut since Ebay profited from advertising posted on a listing I paid for?

Personally, I think that we should, given that our ad copy is what attracted the buyer in the first place.