11-12-2025 12:28 PM
So I recently sold an open box item that i completely went through and it was complete and new but open so it was listed that way. Its made of Styrofoam is it had some small dents and dings that's completely normal with this type of item Rc airplane with imperfections but nothing that will affect its performance.
I shipped out with in 10 hours of purchase. paid 70 to ship it. He lied and said item was used and all messed up and that was clearly not the case but i cant even argue because my only option from eBay was to refund and let him keep it or pay another 70 for a label and have him return it. he said there was a grass stain also which there wasn't, the picture he send had a loose grass piece that very well could have been there from when i removed everything from the box and placed on the floor while making sure it was 100% complete. I cant say for sure on that one.
Normally i do what i can to make it right, adding some money back or whatever really, but i just had a death in the family and this guy was just pushing me in every way. So i paid for return label and he has pretty much unlimited time to send it back (not really, but i had 4 days to respond and he has until December to send it back). He was completely unreasonable and ignorant about the whole thing and i just blocked him and decided to deal strictly through eBay.
Now I'm out 140 for shipping, I'm certain he's going to send back something not in the same condition i sent and i received negative feedback. I cant even say my part with eBay, i just have to take this? that's my only option? first negative feedback ever and I'm out all this for shipping no update on when or if he will return. If he doesnt send it back and the case gets closed im still out for the shipping label. This is just a no win situation all around.
11-12-2025 12:36 PM
Wait til it gets back to decide what to do........ I understand you're upset........but need to take a step back and cool off..........
11-12-2025 12:46 PM
@falserealitygames wrote:So I recently sold an open box item that i completely went through and it was complete and new but open so it was listed that way. Its made of Styrofoam is it had some small dents and dings that's completely normal with this type of item Rc airplane with imperfections but nothing that will affect its performance.
I shipped out with in 10 hours of purchase. paid 70 to ship it. He lied and said item was used and all messed up and that was clearly not the case but i cant even argue because my only option from eBay was to refund and let him keep it or pay another 70 for a label and have him return it. he said there was a grass stain also which there wasn't, the picture he send had a loose grass piece that very well could have been there from when i removed everything from the box and placed on the floor while making sure it was 100% complete. I cant say for sure on that one.
Normally i do what i can to make it right, adding some money back or whatever really, but i just had a death in the family and this guy was just pushing me in every way. So i paid for return label and he has pretty much unlimited time to send it back (not really, but i had 4 days to respond and he has until December to send it back). He was completely unreasonable and ignorant about the whole thing and i just blocked him and decided to deal strictly through eBay.
Now I'm out 140 for shipping, I'm certain he's going to send back something not in the same condition i sent and i received negative feedback. I cant even say my part with eBay, i just have to take this? that's my only option? first negative feedback ever and I'm out all this for shipping no update on when or if he will return. If he doesnt send it back and the case gets closed im still out for the shipping label. This is just a no win situation all around.
As far as I know you aren't charged for the label until they use it. Someone else can come along and verify as I don't get many returns and when I do the buyer sends the item back.
11-12-2025 12:59 PM
generally shipping labels are not charged if not used.
so if no return then no fret.
if you get back something different, take photos then report the buyer (before refunding and before times up to refund)
the report buyer is required, then after making the report reach out to ebay and let the csr know the situation and that you filed the report buyer form and they will advise from there.
*this is only if you receive back something different and that is called "buyer fraud" in which case you are protected.
a buyer cannot return something different....that is not allowed period.
others may chime in and say oh they could return a box of rocks and ebay will say refund, NOT TRUE.
they either never had that experience or they did it wrong and/or they are just guessing based on what has been said by others on the boards.
11-12-2025 01:14 PM
E-flite Viper listed as "new" with the A. I. description that said nothing of " normal dents and dings"?
11-12-2025 01:36 PM
You basically got played.
Buyer was hoping you do the wrong thing and he gets a refund and keeps the item.
Buyer gets...at least my was for 30+ days waiting for a return and nothing was returned.
I still got forced to refund a remorse return with buyer's shipping.
I wouldn't block the buyer yet...that means any emails from the buyer you won't get if you block this buyer.
Buyer showing dents in packaging...what a joke.
I would not do a reply in feedback yet...hold out on that.
Item hasn't been returned.
Some buyers are not very good at re-shipping something.
We don't know what the buyer will do...will buyer not return it?
Buyer might want the item and it's a hassle to re-package and ship it to the shipping place.
A slight chance it might not get returned...and even though tracking doesn't show up for weeks buyer gets until the last day to enter tracking.
This part I hate.
Just need to wait until deadline when item is suppose to be returned.
11-12-2025 01:42 PM
@12345jamesstamps wrote:You basically got played.
I think that is what the BUYER feels.
The item was listed as "New" (Open Box is not available for that Category).
Even if New-Open Box was an available condition it would not be accurate because of the dings/dents.
The OP is wholly responsible for this because they failed to list with the correct condition.
11-12-2025 01:58 PM - edited 11-12-2025 01:59 PM
@falserealitygames I am sorry that you had a recent death in your family. That is never easy. When you are trying to run a business while dealing with heavy things, it makes a bad situation even worse in our minds. I urge you to try to take a step back and a deep breath.
First, you need to unblock your buyer. You have an open return and could end up in a worse situation if you don't keep the line of communication open. You already sent the return label, so eBay is not involved and that is a good thing. If eBay gets involved without you doing your part, you won't only lose but you will also get a ding on your account. We don't want that.
Second, "New" is not "New - Open Box." If it is open and has damage, even if that damage does not impact performance, that is used. I don't think eBay even gives you the option to list something in that category as Open Box and there is a reason for that. Often these items are expensive, as in the case of the plane you sold. eBay does not want there to be any ambiguity about what the buyer will get. Some people are collectors and they look for new because they want something that is still sealed in the box without cosmetic defects. You messed up here and should have listed it as used, then described the exact condition. You would have still sold it for good money.
If you hover over the information button by the condition, you will get a pop up that explains how eBay defines "New"
Before I even looked at your listings, I had a hunch your return policy was set to "seller does not accept returns." Please hear me on this: You are setting yourself up for problems by having that policy. You sell some pricey things sometimes and you are going to attract people who will take advantage of you because they know you are more likely to issue a partial refund since you essentially advertise you are resistant to returns. Those who take advantage know the eBay Money-Back Guarantee better than most. They often don't have to manufacture something wrong, because we as sellers often overlook even minor things. All a buyer has to do is point out something you didn't describe accurately and they've got you. At a minimum they will get a partial refund. Often they get a full refund by eBay and get to keep the item. I'm bringing all this up because this is likely why you are in this situation right now. Not saying this buyer is trying to pull a fast one on you, but you may not have gotten that negative feedback right off the bat either.
You do not get charged for the return shipping label unless the buyer uses it. Don't sweat about that right now. Yes, eBay will give them roughly 21 days to drop it off in the mail. A lot of times these people never do that. I offer 30 day free returns (60 days through the holidays) and of the last 5 returns I've had opened, 0 - non - zip have returned the item. The fact is most people don't want to have to pack something up, then go to the post office or wherever to ship it back. They are busy and decide that their time is more valuable. Now, this is a more expensive item, and if this buyer never mentioned a partial refund and just went for the return, then they are likely legit upset and will return the plane. This isn't their fault. This is yours. You listed it incorrectly. While I agree with what @babyers88 said in terms of reporting the buyer should the item be return in a different condition, in this case you listed it in the wrong condition. You need to own that and fully refund the buyer without reporting them unless they send you something back completely different.
You don't mention any damage in the listing, which means you misrepresented it. You have admitted that here. Your buyer has every reason to be angry. Rethink your practices and make a course correction. If you don't, you will keep finding yourself in this position.
11-12-2025 01:58 PM
@falserealitygames It doesn't matter what genre you sell in, list any "dents" or "dings".
I would not be happy to purchase something that had damage and was listed as new, open box, to find those dents and dings.
Step back and take accountability for your listing. Hopefully lesson learned.
Here is to good things for you moving forward.
11-12-2025 02:04 PM
I guess we won't know 'what the Buyer feels' since we don't have ESP.
A quick negative feedback and photos kinda thinks the buyer knows all about buying on eBay and how to get something for nothing.
So, these are my personal thoughts and I rather you respond to the OP directly and not to me.
The OP can make his/her own decision with comments from everyone.
11-12-2025 02:11 PM
@christworks I was going by what the seller stated, after looking at the item in question, the seller is 100% on the hook for this one, unless of course they return something completely different.
also not sure why the shipping was $70 ouch, that should be like $30 max fedex ground/home including insurance.
11-12-2025 02:23 PM
Its made of Styrofoam is it had some small dents and dings that's completely normal with this type of item Rc airplane with imperfections but nothing that will affect its performance
If you are talking about this listing ...
E-flite Viper 90mm EDF Jet BNF Basic w/AS3X & SAFE Select- EFL17750 Airplanes
... then it was listed as Brand New and does not mention 'open box' or 'dents and dings'.
Can you please come back and let us know what listing you are referring to?
11-12-2025 03:04 PM
@12345jamesstamps wrote:A quick negative feedback and photos kinda thinks the buyer knows all about buying on eBay and how to get something for nothing.
You know I have gone back and forth in my mind about that specific thing. In fact, that was my first thought when I saw the seller did not accept returns. Then, I looked closer at how the seller listed the item and compared it with what they said here, and I think the buyer is legit upset.
My theory is that buyers who are buying with the purpose of taking advantage of a mistake they see a seller has made don't want to draw attention to their accounts. I think these folks are less likely to run to leave negative feedback or to even open a return. Their instinct is to message the seller, try to get a quick partial refund, and move on to the next scam. I usually give buyers the benefit of the doubt when they jump straight into a return or leave negative feedback without contacting the seller first. If they’re upset — especially in cases where the seller clearly made a mistake — I assume they’re reacting out of legitimate emotion.
Nothing is 100% certain one way or the other on things like this, but that's how my brain works. You are right though, we won't know one way or the other.