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How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

I don't understand how it is acceptable to allow buyer's to say the item is not as described, get a full refund, & get to keep your merchandise. I shipped a Funko POP! EXCLUSIVE light up Iron Man to a customer. The POP was wrapped in plastic put in a box & the box was filled with packing peanuts. I got the shipment out the same day and it arrived to the customer a day ahead of expected delivery date. Then I get a return notification  because the buyer says that the item is not as described. The buyer sends a picture of the POP & the Pop's factory packaging is filled with the packing peanuts & accusing me of opening the factory packaging and filling it with the packing peanuts therefore the item is not as described because I didn't state that there were peanuts inside the products box & that somehow the presence of foam bits in the packaging ruined the thing... Well, duh because I didn't put them in the original packaging & how do packing peanuts ruin a plastic toy? Why would I do this? It makes no sense, but the buyer gets a full refund and gets to keep my merchandise unless I pay them to send it back. This buyer in my opinion had a case of buyer's remorse and intentionally did this to get their money back and essentially stole my item. This is not the first time I have seen this, heard about it, or experienced it. It's ok to steal things as long as you complain about it first seems to be the lesson here. 

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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

1. Should have chosen to pay for a return label. its deeply discounted (at least is was in my case)
2. You could have taken a moment to try to get the buyer to accept responsibility for the return shipping in message.
3. when the item got back you could have inspected, and then if you determined that said reason for return was false you could have then opened an appeal to report the buyer for this behavior. This would have placed the buyer on ebays radar and would have given you an opportunity to get your initial shipping and return shipping courtesy refunded (I know because I have been in this exactly situation recently)

The real big lessons here is
1. you should have come to talk us before you made any kind of a move on this. You would have gotten some really sound advice as plenty of us have had to learn the hard way.
2. I think what you said is that your wrapped the original pop vinyl box in plastic and then packing peanuts went into the box that the item went into for shipment. If thats the case probably a bogus return and you made all of the wrong decisions during the resolution. If I am wrong and you filled the original pop vinyl box with packing peanuts around the iron man figurine.....well then if its a collectable pop, you ruined a huge amount of its collectability and the customer is justified.

No assumptions made as to which it is. In any event in the future if you run into a similar problem, come talk to us first, before you have a chance chase a bad situation down with a small collection of mistakes. Most of us know that these situations are hard to swallow.

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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

The buyer got to keep the item because YOU allowed it and that's how a buyer can "steal" your item.

 

Couldn't have been too much of a big deal if it wasn't worth paying the return shipping.

 

 

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
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The reason behind this event is your Returns policy states Seller does not accept returns.

The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned to you or not.

Start accepting returns and buyers can no longer use this loophole.

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@fsdfasdf-0 wrote:

The reason behind this event is your Returns policy states Seller does not accept returns.

The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned to you or not.

Start accepting returns and buyers can no longer use this loophole.


I am not sure why users keep saying this?  

 

eBay has an auto accepted policy on not as described return request now.  ebay basically sends the buyer a return shipping label and will bill it to the sellers account once the first tracking scan takes place.

 

Please read this link so we can start telling other the correct info  -  Click Here

 

Good Luck Selling!

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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

>>The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned to you or not.

Why are you perpetuating that board myth?

Once a buyer opens a not as described MBG dispute, return policy has NOTHING to do with it. Just as with a 30 day return policy, the seller is expected to accept the return and pay for return shipping. If the seller does not, then the buyer gets a refund without a return.

There is no loophole.
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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

I agree. Sorry this happened to you. I don't think it's ethical for people to do this to sellers.

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@berserkerplanet wrote:
>>The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned to you or not.

Why are you perpetuating that board myth?

Once a buyer opens a not as described MBG dispute, return policy has NOTHING to do with it. Just as with a 30 day return policy, the seller is expected to accept the return and pay for return shipping. If the seller does not, then the buyer gets a refund without a return.

There is no loophole.

Would you like me to prove it to you?

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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

The OP (seller) indicated they just refunded versus actually paying return shipping and getting the item back.

 

Good Luck Selling!

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>>Would you like me to prove it to you?

Yep. You are making an assertion contrary to policy, and observed behavior, so it's on you to prove it.

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@goodluckselling wrote:

@fsdfasdf-0 wrote:

The reason behind this event is your Returns policy states Seller does not accept returns.

The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned to you or not.

Start accepting returns and buyers can no longer use this loophole.


I am not sure why users keep saying this?  

 

eBay has an auto accepted policy on not as described return request now.  ebay basically sends the buyer a return shipping label and will bill it to the sellers account once the first tracking scan takes place.

 

Please read this link so we can start telling other the correct info  -  Click Here

 

Good Luck Selling!


The above link directs to a page covering 30-day returns policies.

This thread specifically speaks of No Returns policies.

Please see attached picture, which you may find by scrolling up from the link you sent.

Thank you.

 

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@goodluckselling wrote:

The OP (seller) indicated they just refunded versus actually paying return shipping and getting the item back.

 

Good Luck Selling!


In short, the MBG assures the seller will issue a refund regardless of item return.

 

The reason behind this event is the seller's Returns policy states Seller does not accept returns.

The way ebay sees that is the MBG will issue a refund whether the item is returned or not.

Start accepting returns and buyers can be forced to return the item for the refund.

 

 

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>>In short, the MBG assures the seller will issue a refund regardless of item return

You are completely misinterpreting the return policy info - it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with MBG returns.

(since I'm pretty sure you won't be able to realize that I think we are done here)
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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

Possibly this buyer is a collector and if the item came with the original packaging disturbed, and it was not as it would have been, they were concerned and so opened the not as described case.

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Re: How is buyer's can essentially steal from sellers by simply complaining about an item?

Sorry this happened to you. It's happening a lot now and more and more frequently, hard to tell on some if the buyer has a real issue or is just trying for a partial to full refund and keeping the item.

I find that answering a buyer and telling them to please send back for a refund shuts most of these issues down and they go away.

Even buyers who received a return label rarely use them. Once they know you are not going to 'barter' over the issue and they need to send it back to you, they either send it back or disappear.

I have had ONE buyer send back an item, all the rest said never mind, I guess I'll keep it.

Nothing was wrong with any of these items. The one who did return a $6 free shipping item didn't like the new packaging the company had switched too. That was her complaint, don't like the packaging.

For anyone who gets these questionable return messages, tell them to return it. Watch most of them disappear.

It's a game for many buyers now, get a little extra with your purchase, try to get it for free, for a discount. Just had a guy from Thailand make me on offer on a Sun Jade Sphere. His offer also included asking for free shipping. Shipping a 1 pound package to Thailand for free? Would have cost more than the sale. I nearly missed he was in Thailand as it came in at midnight and I almost changed the listing for him 🙂

Not that he is a problem, but he tried to get free International shipping. It's the human condition, always trying to get a little more than offered I think.

Some do it honestly, like he did, some do it dishonestly. I have a feeling your buyer is trying for a freebie. Hang in there if it isn't too late, sounds like you already refunded him though 😞







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Sorry you had this experience. I had a similar situation a few years ago. I listed some figures and one of the figure had a small sticker on its base that was in the photo, but the buyer got mad and wanted to know why the sticker was on the base. I told him the pictures clearly shows it and it could easily be removed (I had another figure with the same sticker and pulled it right off leaving no residue). Well he kept whining so I gave him half of his money back and then blocked him.

 

Later I listed a more rare figure and this same buyer sent me a message whining because he wanted it and I had him blocked and I told him why, that I lost half of my money for a tiny sticker that could of easily been peeled off and I wasn't dealing with him again. He lost out and I didn't care.

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