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How about a "Sick Day Button"?

I was sick recently and it came on so sudden that when my shipping day came around I had several orders that needed to be shipped.  I had no time to think about "Time Away" functions. 

 

If ebay wanted to help sellers what would really be helpful (Especially in the age of covid-19) would be an "Emergency Delay Function".   Something where if a SUDDEN onset emergency hits a seller can suspend sales and also automatically notify buyers that their items "shipping will be delayed but that if they wish to cancel the transaction and get a full refund they are welcome to do so." 

 

This would allow the seller an easy way out of worrying about ebay punishing them for not shipping on time while also protecting the buyer from having to wait for something.  If the buyer doesn't like waiting they can get a refund no questions asked and the seller doesn't have to deal with buyer abuse. 

 

A function like this is long overdue.  There's no reason why we can't have something like this when emergencies hit all the time for any and all reasons. 

 

Just a suggestion for ebay of a function that would ACTUALLY HELP SELLERS!  How about something like that for an update instead of just telling us how we're going to pay more fees?

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@harafkac0 wrote:

Then again as a seller this issue is first and foremost on my mind anytime there is a delay.
It's like this, if I'm having a heart attack there is a really good chance I am deciding whether I should run by the house to shut off my ebay first... I'm not joking, ebay wants stellar service and I provide that, the bonus is my prices reflect this level of dedication.


 

I'm the same way.

Went to the DR. and they told me to go straight to the hospital for another blood transfusion.

My daughter got mad because I had to go home and get a couple packages ready to ship and shut things down before I passed out.

Have a great day.
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There is a Time Away function which hides all listings for up to a month,and can be used several times in a row if necessary.

It is best in my opinion to make the items invisible rather than tease potential buyers by showing them something they cannot buy.

 

There has been  a lot of discussion about backup plans and the busier the seller, the more important it is to bite the bu llet and set something up in case of illness or accident.

But eBay is not our mommy.

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

Went to the DR. and they told me to go straight to the hospital for another blood transfusion.
My daughter got mad because I had to go home and get a couple packages ready to ship and shut things down before I passed out.

An alternative would be to ask your daughter if she would be willing to step in and ship your packages for you next time, and show her how to do it. 

 

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@movieman630 wrote:

@maxine*j wrote:

@iart wrote:

People working for paychecks often get a set number of days per year to call in sick, or otherwise 'personal days'.

 

We're in for one-day shipping and sometimes it's a struggle. But we don't want to degrade the account because of illness 4 or 5 days a year.

 

Good idea.


The thing is, though, that as a customer of the business, an employee taking a sick day doesn't mean that what I've already bought and paid for won't arrive when it was supposed to arrive and when i counted on it to arrive.   When someone in shipping is off sick, someone covers for him.

 

An order arriving late can be  can be anything from a mild inconvenience to a major hassle for me as a buyer.   Ditto a cancelled order, no matter who cancels it.

 

And, frankly, I think OP's "Sick Day Button" would be abused left and right, just based on reading posts to this forum for the past few years from so many uncommitted, unprofessional, often downright flippant, sellers.   

 

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So we limit ourselves to the worst case scenario?  We allow the worst users to dictate how we operate?  And as I said, those who abuse, won't make money because their account is shut off from sales during this period and any "pending" sales can be automatically refunded at the buyers request.  If I ordered something I "need right away" and it's readily available from many sellers.  I can cancel the order and buy from someone else.

 

Your "Major Hassle" of having to re-order from another seller doesn't hold weight against a seller's "hassle of being hospitalized or in dire straits."  Sorry but it doesn't. 

 

The point IS a GOOD seller's reputation and account shouldn't have to suffer for having an unforeseen Emergency of any kind. 

 

And the "Employee sick day business must go on" response is great if you're Amazon.  But for those of us who are a one man operation.  There is NO EMPLOYEE TO TAKE OVER FOR US! 

 

Some of these rationalizations to counter an idea with very little downside is amazing.  There are a lot of people out there who just like to be contrarian for the sake of doing so.


 

It would be unfair to buyers, who are increasingly hard to attract to eBay in part because of the unreliability of sellers.  Buyers are not concerned, nor should they be, with whether they're buying from a "one-man operation" or a big business but should expect each of eBay's millions of sellers to all be held to the same performance standard, regardless of the size of the enterprise. 

 

It would be unfair to sellers who make contingency plans that sellers who do not make such plans can fail to meet their obligations and do so without penalty.   And heaven help small sellers if buyers saw that the official policy of eBay allowed small sellers to bunk off in ways that larger ones would not.

 

Considering how many sellers come here and admit that they routinely abuse cancellations reasons to avoid penalties, and how many sellers come here with the attitude that buyers are  more or less the enemy, there would doubtless be a lot of abuse and misuse of the "Sick Day."  There is much abuse of sick leave in the "real world," and it would be far worse here because of the essential anonymity.

 

Anything that lowers buyers' confidence and expectations hurts all sellers.

 

As for my hassles not equating with your illness or dire straits, in my eighty-odd years I have dealt with

death, illness, financial crises, fire and flood, so please do not think I lack sympathy or empathy.  But it is because everyone must travel through the Dire Straits, and usually more than once in a lifetime, that I have the opinion I have about this.

 

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I used to be a seller on here under a different name.  Closed that account about 2 years ago and now strictly buy on here.  Find myself buying less and less on here actually.  If I buy and I get hit with "The seller had an emergency.  Do you want to cancel and get a refund, or wait for item to arrive once the emergency is over?" more than once or twice, I am gone.   Why would I want to deal with that as a buyer?

 

I honestly think your idea would be abused by sellers and drive buyers away for good.

 

 

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Ok so you have a car accident and end up in the hospital.

a sad story of a seller who was hospitalized after having a heart attack and heart surgery.

On the third hand, if you are hospitalized you may not be able to access a computer to close down your account, even with Time Away.

The necessity of a backup plan involving a healthy human being remains.

We live in a society with others to help us and others who we help.

 

I believe that the need for backup plans is the important point here, not relying on some robot or program in a browser farm in Idaho.

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@luckythewinner wrote:

@movieman630 wrote:

Again,  You're all missing the counter point.  Your buyers can all cancel and get refunded during that "emergency period" if they want.  So if you abuse it, your opening yourself up to cancelled transactions and refunds.

No, you are missing our point.

 

The buyer wants his item as you originally promised. The sick Day button offers the buyer two options (cancel or delay) that were NOT what they were promised and that tends to erode buyer confidence in the venue.

 

Our point is simple - suck it up and live up to what you promised your buyer, even if that means a little extra work on your part to set up a backup plan.

 


That's exactly the problem with people today.  No empathy for others.  Sorry but I'm not running Wal Mart.  I don't live by the mantra the "customer is always right".  I'm not here to bend over backwards to "Deliver" even at the expense of my own health.  "Confidence in the venue" shouldn't suffer because someone has an emergency.  And if you're the type of customer that is more upset about a delivery delay than someone's health then I don't want your business anyway.  And "Confidence in a venue" isn't going to suffer from the occasional emergency from sellers with good reputations. 

 

Your point is WAY to "J.P. Morgan" for my taste.  You're advocating for the type of attitude that had the railroads being built on the corpses of expired workers.

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Ok so you have a car accident and end up in the hospital.  Does that not count as an "emergency"? 

Yes, that is an emergency.

 

Should you suffer "dings" on your selling account because of this? 

Yes, if you failed to have a backup plan in place.

 

Why are there so many users who just dismiss ideas?  It's kinda annoying.

Because we are responsible and have taken the time to establish an emergency plan.

 

eBay is not going to give you this "get out of jail free" button that you want. So one idea would be to take the time you are using to argue here, and use it instead to recruit a family member, friend or neighbor to fill in for you in case of an emergency.


Maybe you have the type of business that a "friend or relative" can just fill in for you.  But some of us who deal in "niche" products have to rely on our own expertise to fill orders and can't just ask a "friend or relative" to fill in for us.  Much the same way that I wouldn't expect a friend of mine who's an electrician to ask me to fill in for them when they're sick.

 

You're not advocating for anything.   Saying "Make a plan" isn't a solution for all of us.  Sorry.   I'm advocating for an idea that could solve a lot of problems for sellers and ebay. 

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

@movieman630 wrote:

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Sellers should have a plan in case an emergency does come up.

I remember my last hospital stay.

I was being transported to Tulsa by ambulance and they were trying to pump enough blood in me to keep from dying before I reached Tulsa.

On the ride to Tulsa, I was on my phone telling my daughter what needed done because I knew I would be there a little while.

Once I got back home, I decided I needed to make a plan so my daughter would know what to do if needed again.


Ok but what is the problem with having a function set up by ebay to make your life easier in this scenario?  I can't tell if you're for or against my idea but if you're against it, explain why?  Why is it a bad idea?  Ebay's IT people are constantly "re-inventing the wheel" with functions that already exist.  They changed "Vacation Mode" to "Time Away" some years ago. 

 

What is the problem with a feature that allows sellers to be protected in time of emergency?


 

There's nothing wrong with the idea, but we don't work for Ebay and I don't think they are to worried about them protecting our accounts.

When there's bad weather, some sellers expect Ebay to help with their account.

When your internet goes out for a few days, they expect Ebay to help with defects.

When someone ends up in the hospital a few days and can't ship, some expect Ebay to fix the defects.

Last I checked, we work for ourselves and we shouldn't depend on Ebay to have a way to fix our problems.


It has nothing to do with "working for ebay" it has everything to do with us using ebay as a selling venue and it most certainly IS in their best interests to protect the accounts and reputations of their top sellers.  

 

And perhaps that's the solution to the "abuse" problem I keep hearing about.  Make it a function that only certain store subscriptions can take advantage of if you're so worried about smaller sellers abusing it.  Surely a person with some "skin in the game" in terms of subscription fees isn't going to mess around with using an emergency function to "sleep one off" every week.

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  • It's just not really even necessary. 
  • It would be massively abused.  No, not just 1 or two 'bad sellers'.  But nearly the majority of users of this 'feature'.

"Not really even necessary"   Ok...  Tell that to the man who was hospitalized after heart surgery and had to close his store because his stats basically shut him down.    AND I'M telling you from MY OWN FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE  that could have saved me a lot of trouble when I was really sick!  So you're just wrong.

 

And name a situation where someone would "abuse" it and benefit?  You don't make money while it's turned on and you could possibly lose money on sales you already have made.  So what benefit is there for abuse?

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"ebay is not our mommy"  I can name plenty of cases in which they act more like they're running my business than me.  So that's not a valid argument. 

 

It's a function that could save peoples accounts.  That's the bottom line.  Ebay doesn't make money from a 20 year seller who closes their store because they were in the hospital for weeks and couldn't run their business.  When their orders weren't shipped on time and were eventually refunded at the sellers expense what benefit did ebay get from that?  Nothing.  Instead they lost a 20 year seller and all the money that seller made for them because they couldn't close down for an emergency.

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Still not a valid argument against protecting the accounts of sellers who have an emergency.  If ebay loses good sellers because of that, that's a bad business decision.  There is a way to make it work and avoid "abuse" which I can't see because you don't make money and can lose money if you use the function.  There's literally no benefit to using it unless you have an emergency. 

 

You can't leave your listings visible during either.  It's essentially "time away" without visibility and sales.  It's protection of your account.  That benefits ebay and the seller.  The buyer benefits because they're notified that the seller had an emergency and they can cancel and refund or wait.  If I'm buying a "collectible widgit" I don't mind waiting a few days or a weeks.  If I'm buying something I need right away, I'll just cancel and buy it from someone else.  It wouldn't make me mad at ebay if I knew someone had an emergency.  My first thought would be "Geez I hope their ok".  

 

Have faith in people.  Nobody is going to say "ebay's the worst" because some seller had an emergency.

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FIne, if you're buying something you can get somewhere else.  But ebay sells a lot of collectibles and antiques that you might not find anywhere else.  One would dare even say that that's pretty much ebay's base line.  It's where people go to find that "can't find item". 

 

You don't want to buy here, then don't.  If you're the type of person who can't imagine a person having an emergency and needing some more time then you aren't someone I would want to do business with anyway.  Take your modern impatience to amazon.

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

Ok so you have a car accident and end up in the hospital.

a sad story of a seller who was hospitalized after having a heart attack and heart surgery.

On the third hand, if you are hospitalized you may not be able to access a computer to close down your account, even with Time Away.

The necessity of a backup plan involving a healthy human being remains.

We live in a society with others to help us and others who we help.

 

I believe that the need for backup plans is the important point here, not relying on some robot or program in a browser farm in Idaho.


Yes, but that person who you give access to your account should just be able to hit that "emergency" button and shut your site down with one easy function.  Nobody in my family or friends is going to know how to run my business or fill my orders.  I don't have a "cookie cutter" inventory.  I would just tell them to set my account to "emergency leave" or whatever it would be called and that's that. 

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That's exactly the problem with people today. No empathy for others.

 

And some might say..........that's exactly the problem with people today........they can't take responsibility for running their own lives.......

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