First Class Package--What happens to listings that are not updated during the 30 day period?

[tealt]

elizabeth@ebay 

From the seller news announcement:

If you ship with First Class Package, you will be able to update listings to USPS Ground Advantage over the next 30 days.

1) Does that "next 30 days" window begin on July 9th?

2) If yes, what will happen to my BIN listings if they are not updated during that 30 day window.

3) If business policies is not an option (I attempted to use them and chaos resulted), does that mean that each listing must be changed individually?

Thank you for any information.  I ask because I will be on vacation during a 30 day window which begins on July 9 and unable to revise any listings. 

[steve_stuff]

You said

"If you have calculated shipping checked in your shipping preferences you will have to manually change each listings shipping."

All our listing has calculated shipping now - When we did the test we mention above, the first thing we had to do was pick - in this case re-pick - calculated. Then we got the shipping options. So if we do the change using the bulk form[s], we will be 'changing' to calculated, right? 

But as far as I can tell we will have to add size - right? - and do it one by one by hand. If that's the case I will still fix the calculated part in bulk.

[hartungcards]

I'm pretty sure coding scares eBay too.

[allthingssurplus]

No, if you are calculated you will have to change each listing manually.  If you do not have calculated checked you would be able to at this point change to Parcel Select and on the 9th those listing would all go to the new USPS shipping.  Like I said above if you are like us and need various shipping choices due to weight, size and customer preference.  You are faced at this time doing all this by hand.  

I had a meeting with my staff and we came to the conclusion, like one of the posters here, to wait a week or two before doing the major back flip and cost in doing all of these changes.  As eBay history proves that sometime close to the deadline of change there will be some fix to bulk edit all this.  A smart company would have already finished that task, not eBay, not their style.

[pjcdn2005]

@allthingssurplus 

"If you have calculated shipping checked in your shipping preferences you will have to manually change each listings shipping. The reason is the new USPS program will ship your package and the rate for that package based on zone pricing. It will be more expensive paying by zone verses calculated."

I don't use usps but I thought that I had a fairly good idea of how it works. So perhaps I'm missing something as your quote above is confusing me. I thought that calculated shipping was based on zone already so how is it more expensive paying by zone versus calculated?

What would happen if you added parcel select to your listing through bulk listing now? If your dimensions etc are already in there can you not just add it now so that it automatically changes to the new service on July 9th?

[allthingssurplus]

You would not have calculated.  Yes they would automatically update to the current USPS shipping program when that occurs.  The real down side is if you  additional shipping preferences like FedEx, FedEx Ground,  Overnight, USPS Priority, like all of our listings they would be removed if you bulk edited to Parcel Select.  Its a no win at eBay's current state.  eBay needs to figure out how to allow updating First Class Packages so the Seller is not damaged with lost productivity which directly costs eBay as well.  No one in management understands if Seller are productive eBay can't collect fees.

[allthingssurplus]

I see Elizabeth vanished from this thread today.  Too many real questions to answer.

[tealt]

I'm the OP on this thread, and after reading all the responses (93 at the moment), from both eBay and users, I have actually become glad that I will be traveling and/or out in the woods from July 7 through August 12.

No sales or money, but...

I won't have to worry/strategize about revising all my Shipping sections based on the drip, drip, drip of [sometimes confusing] information from eBay about this change.

By August 13, the dust from the "train wreck" should (I hope) have settled.

Note:  I find it slightly concerning that yesterday (6/29) there was a thread by eBay about the change pinned to the top of the Shipping board, and today (6/30) that thread is gone.

[allthingssurplus]

That's how they do, bury their heads in the sand.

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@tealt wrote: ...  I find it slightly concerning that yesterday (6/29) there was a thread by eBay about the change pinned to the top of the Shipping board, and today (6/30) that thread is gone.

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It wasn't deleted, it just got unpinned and then since it was 2 days old it immediately sank out of sight. Which is unfortunate, because it got an important revision this morning.

 https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/USPS-Ground-Advantage-Service/td-p/33838498

[slippinjimmy]

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@na_833338 wrote:

Just a thought... What if I decide to change all of my First Class package listings to Standard Shipping before July 9th?   Then I could decide after the change date on what works best for me in regards to shipping options.  

Wondering.... 

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I use only Flat Rate shipping and always use "Standard" with no service specified, this entire change is a complete nothing for me, no changes need.

I do this for two reasons;

1 - I can use any shipping service I want, I don't have to be locked in to a service.

2 - It extends the estimated delivery window

An example of  why I might want the flexibility of a generic service, most of my items can be shipped Media Mail or First Class Package, depending on the weight and destination zone the difference in cost can be very small or more significant, if Media Mail is only 10 cents cheaper I use First Class for that order, if the difference is $2 then I would use Media Mail, also impacting the choice is the proximity of the buyer, if they are in a close zone the delivery time difference is only 1 or 2 days, if it's a Zone 8 or 9 then the difference can be 3 - 5 days.

I like to maintain flexibility especially when it means more money in my pocket.

In this case my use of generic shipping services means I don't need to make ANY changes.

[shado-x]

If you have no other shipping option specified than your listing will not have a valid shipping service

So if USPS First Class is already chosen as a shipping option, I assume that the USPS Ground AAdvantage program will automatically update and I, for one, will have to do nothing, yeah?

[fern*wood]

I wonder why they unpinned the notice?  It's not like this is over by any means.   It was only up a few days.  You know there will be tons of sellers that have no idea about any of this---some still think we can give buyers negative feedback!

[dhbookds]

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@fern*wood wrote:

I wonder why they unpinned the notice?  It's not like this is over by any means.   It was only up a few days.  You know there will be tons of sellers that have no idea about any of this---some still think we can give buyers negative feedback!

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I think they pulled it because of the error on parcel select..........and are working on better communication.....I hope.......

We will be having questions about it for the next yr probably......as you say some sellers still don't know about feedback.............

[sin-n-dex]

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@slippinjimmy wrote:

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@na_833338 wrote:

Just a thought... What if I decide to change all of my First Class package listings to Standard Shipping before July 9th?   Then I could decide after the change date on what works best for me in regards to shipping options.  

Wondering.... 

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I use only Flat Rate shipping and always use "Standard" with no service specified, this entire change is a complete nothing for me, no changes need.

I do this for two reasons;

1 - I can use any shipping service I want, I don't have to be locked in to a service.

2 - It extends the estimated delivery window

An example of  why I might want the flexibility of a generic service, most of my items can be shipped Media Mail or First Class Package, depending on the weight and destination zone the difference in cost can be very small or more significant, if Media Mail is only 10 cents cheaper I use First Class for that order, if the difference is $2 then I would use Media Mail, also impacting the choice is the proximity of the buyer, if they are in a close zone the delivery time difference is only 1 or 2 days, if it's a Zone 8 or 9 then the difference can be 3 - 5 days.

I like to maintain flexibility especially when it means more money in my pocket.

In this case my use of generic shipping services means I don't need to make ANY changes.

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What you said... I learnt to do that this week. Now I need to learn to use SixBit more effectively for making changes, but there has been an advantage to ending listings on eBay and selling similar to put them back up (with minor changes). I think I can import the whole ebay database and then I'll have what's currently listed.

C.

[rustydalmatian]

I have come to the conclusion that the USPS is simply combining 3 methods of shipping into one, which will act very much like First Class Package.  Therefore, until this mess of words is straightened out, I'll just read "War and Peace" until the dust settles.