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February monthly chat?

devon@ebay  kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay  - I see no monthly chat topic has been posted for February.

 

Should we assume that means the winter update will be tomorrow or are y'all just running behind?

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@valueaddedresource , @my-cottage-books-and-antiques , @dhbookds , @wastingtime101 , @12345jamesstamps 

 

I suspect that there might be some internal reorganizing and restructuring with regard to the eBay Support Team for The Community pursuant to the group that has been let go from the company.  

February may wind up being a wash for some things ... we're still waiting for confirmation on the February Mentors meeting.  It may wind up getting pushed to March, who knows.


@mr_lincoln I totally get that but to my knowledge, the main community staff were not impacted by the layoffs and are still part of the community team.

 

While it's completely understandable that reorganizing and restructuring may be causing internal disruption, which could be limiting access to people on other teams to show up for specific chats or ability to get answers from those teams etc., I don't see any reason that any of them who have been logged in and/or actively posting in other threads in the last 24 hours couldn't at least put up a post in the chat section saying sorry for the short notice, no chat this week, we're rescheduling for next week or just skipping this month and will be back in March or we'll provide more details later or...something.

 

Same with the mentors meeting. I think the vast majority of us would be very understanding of things being postponed or delayed if there was just some basic communication about what is going on.

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I was thinking the same after reading the description of the check in. I'm with you that I can't really see any good reason for eBay to keep the update date a secret....and can see plenty of good reasons and benefits to giving advanced notice, like you mentioned allowing sellers to set aside time to review it and participate in discussions.

 

At the very least, it would be nice to get an answer about the chat today - that is something that is not normally "secret" and usually planned in advance with a consistent schedule (with the exception of last month.)

 

The blues have been active and responding to other threads in the community in the last 24 hours so it would seem unlikely there is some emergency or something that has caused all of them to be unable to either answer here or post an update in the chat section to advise whether or not there will be a chat today.

 

Even if they had originally been planning for an update today and it got postponed for some reason....no reason they can't just open the chat up to general discussion or post a notice saying there won't be one today.

 

As usual, the choices eBay makes about "seller engagement" continue to baffle me when there is so much low hanging fruit/little things they could do to improve the dialogue and seller trust.


I will put in a vote for "they have no idea" as that seems to be the par for eBay these days. 

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

As you say, there are all these little, easy things ebay could do to improve seller trust and enhance dialogue, but this company seems determined to do the opposite.


I've noticed that for some time. This company demonstrates an aggressive stranglehold on communication between employees and users (and even employees with other employees) that I have not seen anywhere else. The simplest questions go unanswered; releases are dumped into Production with no announcement or even in-house training (e.g. for Customer Service or community reps, who are often as baffled as everyone else); problem reports go unacknowledged (notice how few topics in the "Report eBay Technical Issues" group show the little logo of an eBay reply). Even the Community contacts here who forward user issues to the various "teams" get stonewalled when it comes to followup or resolution.

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To add to this - on the podcast yesterday (which is recorded in advance), Griff said he had known about Brian leaving for months. Presumably the rest of the community crew were informed sometime before yesterday as well.

 

Considering all of the well wishes I've seen shared in my post about it yesterday as well as across multiple facebook groups and other places...it would have been a super easy positive seller engagement opportunity (not to mention convenient workaround for any internal reorg disruptions) to have put up a notice yesterday after the podcast aired to say this month's chat will be a farewell party of sorts, feel free to stop by and share your favorite memories from past events etc.

 

And if they really were planning for an update today and have had to punt...they could have easily pivoted to that "backup" this morning and we'd all probably never be the wiser and just assume that was the plan all along.

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@a_c_green wrote:

@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

As you say, there are all these little, easy things ebay could do to improve seller trust and enhance dialogue, but this company seems determined to do the opposite.


I've noticed that for some time. This company demonstrates an aggressive stranglehold on communication between employees and users (and even employees with other employees) that I have not seen anywhere else. The simplest questions go unanswered; releases are dumped into Production with no announcement or even in-house training (e.g. for Customer Service or community reps, who are often as baffled as everyone else); problems reports go unacknowledged (notice how few topics in the "Report eBay Technical Issues" group show the little logo of an eBay reply). Even the Community contacts here who forward user issues to the various "teams" get stonewalled when it comes to followup or resolution.


Even in the best cases, eBay's communication has been horrible. I could tell the stories of the ridiculous experiences we've faced for days.

 

Way back in 2018 when eBay started making changes we saw major issues, we got escalated to the supervisor of the Utah office at the time, who said 3x in a row someone was gonna contact us within 24 hours and it never happened. Then he just stopped replying. We were lucky enough to find an outgoing rep that actually returned calls. He volunteered and added himself to our case bc he was able to see the problem. After weeks of working together he calls to let me know "he found something" - going to have his analyst call me Monday.

 

We were excited that after so long eBay had FINALLY had found the problem (and hopefully a solution).

 

.... And then we never hear from him. No call on that day. I call in, they tell me he's working but not able to speak. I leave a message, he doesn't return it. Suddenly he disappears, after communicating on his own accord for weeks. Then the Utah supervisor got on the phone and said he "already told us the problem personally" - meanwhile this is the same guy that said he'd have someone contact me 3x and stopped replying. I let him know he NEVER replied to us or had anyone contact us to 'tell us any problem' and he claims he told it to another employee here, and claimed he talked to someone at our company - who unbeknownst to him has a hearing problem and doesn't answer phones, and doesn't even speak English. I posted about the experiences on here, and then the supervisor informs me that he's no longer allowed to speak to us.

 

In other words, the rep who FOUND SOMETHING got shut down and silenced, no longer allowed to speak to us. Then the supervisor who was the person with the highest seniority on the phone support at the time wasn't even allowed to speak to us.

 

Around a year ago with major issues again, the 'seller advocate' reached out to us (on his own). Seemed as if maybe he was going to help. On a phone call he seemed really understanding and made a ton of promises of connecting us to different places, including the VP and various leadership. But then in email, he had a completely different tone, seeming as if he was someone more worried about not putting anything in writing. He said a "Motors expert" is going to contact us, then had a "growth advisor" contact us - who wasn't even from Motors. She said she needed evidence of our problem, to which I sent a file that had 10+ folders of different issues, and I shared instructions on how to reproduce the issues. She asked for permission to contact us with further questions from the other departments, which of course I agreed to.

 

.... Then she disappears, never to respond to messages again. I try contacting the 'seller advocate' again, and he no longer responds to messages either. Once again it seems things got silenced - which is apparently the trend/pattern of how it goes whenever tech issues are found. 

 

I've had zoom meetings with the VP of Motors, as well as other leadership members/etc. The glitches I shared with them are STILL not fixed, including the easy to reproduce ones (such as the vehicle fitment bug I shared like 5+ years ago now).

 

Then there's the times eBay management have come out to our warehouse to meet us in person, since we were such a large seller. And they obviously didn't even know how their system works and/or eBay's policies. One amusing highlight was how they had a segment of the meeting to discuss how "once a customer buys from you, they're no longer and eBay customer and are YOUR customer as a seller! And you can be free to sell to them outside of eBay all you want!" 

 

I've said it before on here, eBay's communication is nothing more than PR. It's a joke on any other level. None of them know how eBay functions. Even the tech team doesn't know what is going on since it's all outsourced to different countries (confirmed by their Jira logs they mistakenly forwarded to me when conversing). And it is proven to be PR without a doubt when they will literally work to silence reproduceable issues rather than get them addressed and/or be honest and up front about them.

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@valueaddedresource wrote:

@mr_lincoln wrote:

@valueaddedresource , @my-cottage-books-and-antiques , @dhbookds , @wastingtime101 , @12345jamesstamps 

 

I suspect that there might be some internal reorganizing and restructuring with regard to the eBay Support Team for The Community pursuant to the group that has been let go from the company.  

February may wind up being a wash for some things ... we're still waiting for confirmation on the February Mentors meeting.  It may wind up getting pushed to March, who knows.


@mr_lincoln I totally get that but to my knowledge, the main community staff were not impacted by the layoffs and are still part of the community team.

 

While it's completely understandable that reorganizing and restructuring may be causing internal disruption, which could be limiting access to people on other teams to show up for specific chats or ability to get answers from those teams etc., I don't see any reason that any of them who have been logged in and/or actively posting in other threads in the last 24 hours couldn't at least put up a post in the chat section saying sorry for the short notice, no chat this week, we're rescheduling for next week or just skipping this month and will be back in March or we'll provide more details later or...something.

 

Same with the mentors meeting. I think the vast majority of us would be very understanding of things being postponed or delayed if there was just some basic communication about what is going on.


@valueaddedresource 

 

No disagreement here.  But within each organization it usually comes down to one person who has final say on the "when" something might happen in their area of responsibility.  And yes, most of the eBay "Team" is still active but the Manager of that Team may not be OR they may be in the process of selecting a new Manager for the group.  The "Team" members may be keeping a low profile waiting to see what shakes out OR the Team is in the process of being restructured and reorganized so that when they finally do re-engage it is with a specific support structure with defined responsibilities.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and doing the wait and see thing.  Nothing we can do about whatever decisions are made.  

Who knows, they may also be taking a hard look at how relevant some of the regular meetings are here on The Community.  Monthly Chat, monthly Mentors meeting, the Mentor program, etc.  

 

I stopped using the Chat for a number of reasons ... the biggest one was that most things I presented were passed on to the Team that handles that and in most cases nothing would happen, other than a follow up status request followed by circling back if there was any news ... which rarely happened.

 

With the loss of 1000 employees I suspect that the process will not improve in that regard, just different people to pass things on to and possibly different people to do the circling around and back function. 

There was a time when I was hopeful that Members here, primarily Sellers, would morph into a group of Influencers able to affect policy and other programs.  I think many of us are just part of a loosely knit Focus group acting as a sounding board for certain topics.  

 

In any event, change is in progress so we will have to wait and see what happens.

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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@a_c_green wrote:

@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

As you say, there are all these little, easy things ebay could do to improve seller trust and enhance dialogue, but this company seems determined to do the opposite.


I've noticed that for some time. This company demonstrates an aggressive stranglehold on communication between employees and users (and even employees with other employees) that I have not seen anywhere else. The simplest questions go unanswered; releases are dumped into Production with no announcement or even in-house training (e.g. for Customer Service or community reps, who are often as baffled as everyone else); problem reports go unacknowledged (notice how few topics in the "Report eBay Technical Issues" group show the little logo of an eBay reply). Even the Community contacts here who forward user issues to the various "teams" get stonewalled when it comes to followup or resolution.


@a_c_green 

 

I just posted right up thread about some of this ... I have begun to question the relevance of members here as it relates to what eBay is going to decide to do regardless of our input.  

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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@dhbookds wrote:

agree with you............there's a chat scheduled in the UK for today.........


You haven't missed anything. Just the usual "it's working as designed" cut and paste answers to any questions about the estimated delivery date. No matter how silly the examples shown to them are.

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@valueaddedresource wrote:

@mr_lincoln wrote:

@valueaddedresource , @my-cottage-books-and-antiques , @dhbookds , @wastingtime101 , @12345jamesstamps 

 

I suspect that there might be some internal reorganizing and restructuring with regard to the eBay Support Team for The Community pursuant to the group that has been let go from the company.  

February may wind up being a wash for some things ... we're still waiting for confirmation on the February Mentors meeting.  It may wind up getting pushed to March, who knows.


@mr_lincoln I totally get that but to my knowledge, the main community staff were not impacted by the layoffs and are still part of the community team.

 

While it's completely understandable that reorganizing and restructuring may be causing internal disruption, which could be limiting access to people on other teams to show up for specific chats or ability to get answers from those teams etc., I don't see any reason that any of them who have been logged in and/or actively posting in other threads in the last 24 hours couldn't at least put up a post in the chat section saying sorry for the short notice, no chat this week, we're rescheduling for next week or just skipping this month and will be back in March or we'll provide more details later or...something.

 

Same with the mentors meeting. I think the vast majority of us would be very understanding of things being postponed or delayed if there was just some basic communication about what is going on.


@valueaddedresource 

 

No disagreement here.  But within each organization it usually comes down to one person who has final say on the "when" something might happen in their area of responsibility.  And yes, most of the eBay "Team" is still active but the Manager of that Team may not be OR they may be in the process of selecting a new Manager for the group.  The "Team" members may be keeping a low profile waiting to see what shakes out OR the Team is in the process of being restructured and reorganized so that when they finally do re-engage it is with a specific support structure with defined responsibilities.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and doing the wait and see thing.  Nothing we can do about whatever decisions are made.  

Who knows, they may also be taking a hard look at how relevant some of the regular meetings are here on The Community.  Monthly Chat, monthly Mentors meeting, the Mentor program, etc.  

 

I stopped using the Chat for a number of reasons ... the biggest one was that most things I presented were passed on to the Team that handles that and in most cases nothing would happen, other than a follow up status request followed by circling back if there was any news ... which rarely happened.

 

With the loss of 1000 employees I suspect that the process will not improve in that regard, just different people to pass things on to and possibly different people to do the circling around and back function. 

There was a time when I was hopeful that Members here, primarily Sellers, would morph into a group of Influencers able to affect policy and other programs.  I think many of us are just part of a loosely knit Focus group acting as a sounding board for certain topics.  

 

In any event, change is in progress so we will have to wait and see what happens.


Is anyone even in charge or "managing" this place anymore? Rather than a focus group, it's felt more like a support group meeting with how we gotta look out for each other. Dealing with issues on eBay is like being in a toxic relationship, where you get gaslighted and then dealt the silent treatment.

 

With how obsessed eBay is with 'tech-led reimagination' it's only a matter of time until speaking to an AI is the best they will be able to do. At least an AI will have an excuse for not being able to speak about certain subjects and won't have to resort to ghosting you.

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@a_c_green wrote:

@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

As you say, there are all these little, easy things ebay could do to improve seller trust and enhance dialogue, but this company seems determined to do the opposite.


I've noticed that for some time. This company demonstrates an aggressive stranglehold on communication between employees and users (and even employees with other employees) that I have not seen anywhere else. The simplest questions go unanswered; releases are dumped into Production with no announcement or even in-house training (e.g. for Customer Service or community reps, who are often as baffled as everyone else); problem reports go unacknowledged (notice how few topics in the "Report eBay Technical Issues" group show the little logo of an eBay reply). Even the Community contacts here who forward user issues to the various "teams" get stonewalled when it comes to followup or resolution.


@a_c_green 

 

I just posted right up thread about some of this ... I have begun to question the relevance of members here as it relates to what eBay is going to decide to do regardless of our input.  


This is exactly it. Even when eBay does genuinely seem to want to help, the 'appropriate teams' give false information and/or easily debunked answers.

 

I told the seller advocate on the phone that the biggest problem is that we don't have anyone who actually stands up to the other departments and/or escalates the issue when they do that.  Yeah, these reps might only be a "messenger" - but if the appropriate team isn't doing their job, it should be escalated until they start doing their job properly. 

 

His response was that he felt within the last year things had "improved" and they been doing a better job of following up... Which was an email or two before he ghosted me himself, lol. 

 

Problems are never fixed if the appropriate teams just deny them and say everything is sunshine and rainbows. Is management even aware of these problems, or out of touch? Or are they completely aware and just trying thier best to avoid admitting to anything and/or putting anything in writing? Based on my experiences, it's more likely the latter. But either way, as time went on, eBay has just gotten worse and worse on this front. 

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@zamo-zuan  wrote:  

"Is anyone even in charge or "managing" this place anymore? Rather than a focus group, it's felt more like a support group meeting with how we gotta look out for each other. Dealing with issues on eBay is like being in a toxic relationship, where you get gaslighted and then dealt the silent treatment.

 

With how obsessed eBay is with 'tech-led reimagination' it's only a matter of time until speaking to an AI is the best they will be able to do. At least an AI will have an excuse for not being able to speak about certain subjects and won't have to resort to ghosting you."

 

@zamo-zuan   Well, consider the dynamics leading up to a mass release of 1000 employees.  I am sure within eBay THEY knew it was coming long before we did and I am sure many were scrambling trying to figure out if they were going to get the axe or not.  Having to change jobs is no fun. 

AI may have actually contributed to letting some of that 1000 go ... we don't know that but I've learned that in this day and age nothing is off the table ... 

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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brian_burke@ebay   any reason we can't seem to get a simple answer to a simple question?  at least an acknowledgement?  

 

 
 

‎02-13-2024 12:54 PM

devon@ebay  kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay  - I see no monthly chat topic has been posted for February.

 

Should we assume that means the winter update will be tomorrow or are y'all just running behind?

 

devon@ebay kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay  - is there going to be a chat today? Even just an open topic session or "bon voyage" party for brian_burke@ebay ?

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@mr_lincoln I understand wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, and don't get me wrong, I believe the community crew is doing the best they can within the structure and constraints they've been given.

 

But to your point about "they may also be taking a hard look at how relevant some of the regular meetings are here on The Community.  Monthly Chat, monthly Mentors meeting, the Mentor program, etc. " - I personally firmly believe any lack of relevance or waning member participation or any other reason that might be tossed out as to why it may not be worth eBay's time and resources to continue the meager seller engagement efforts that are still left around here is by design, not accident. As we are so often told, "it is working as intended."

 

Even trying to take the most charitable view of things and assuming it wasn't the intent of someone at eBay (again likely much higher up than the community crew stuck with the fallout) - this is 100% the predictable outcome of moving from a weekly open chat to monthly limited topic chats and many other changes that have been implemented to the community in the last few years.

 

It's been said "when someone tells you who they are, believe them." eBay continues to show/tell sellers through their choices and actions exactly how much they value seller engagement and if they don't like the story that tells, they have many options at their disposal to start changing it - even in the midst of layoffs, reorgs, macroeconomic headwinds, Mercury being in retrograde or whatever else.

 

"If you can't do the little things right, you will never do the big things right." ~ Admiral William H. McRaven

 

It's far past time for eBay to start grabbing some of those little low hanging fruits and make "seller engagement" more than just lip service.

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@valueaddedresource 

 

I think with the advent of other avenues to interact with eBay, like Facebook and others, The Community involvement has shrunk.  While I haven't taken down a count of names (IDs to be more specific) that post most often here the number of actively engaged members is small in comparison to the total eBay account membership of Sellers and Buyers.  So I think by shear numbers the opportunity to influence policy is slim.   

 

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Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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@mr_lincoln I don't disagree...I think I just have a slightly different take on whether the chicken or the egg came first. 😉

 

Would there naturally have been a thinning of the herd or at least some turnover around here over the years just due to the nature of forums falling out of favor vs other social media, less users overall and other reasons? Sure, I think that's fair.

 

But is the shrinking number of once very active users who are no longer active also very much the obvious and possibly even intended outcome of choices eBay has made about how to run this place? I also think that is more than fair.

 

Long ago perma-ban purges to more recent (last few years) changes including chat schedules, official staff interactions, moderation activities and more have set the tone and course for what this community has become.

 

I absolutely agree the opportunity for this forum to influence policy these days is slim, but I don't believe that's a "sheer numbers" game. While the active and engaged sellers here may be a small percentage of total user base, what we lack in numbers we more than make up for in knowledge, experience, diverse backgrounds and most importantly caring, concern and desire/willingness to engage with each other and with eBay to help improve the platform for all users.

 

eBay had/has 100s or even 1000s of highly engaged sellers here they could have viewed as "valuable resources" and used them exactly like the influencer focus group you suggested earlier in this thread. The fact that the community holds little to no influence at eBay is 100% the result of choices eBay leadership has made and continues to make.

 

I see it a lot like much of the criticism a certain occasional world's richest man gets for what has become of Twitter - that platform (for better or worse) is largely a reflection of decisions current ownership has made just as this forum, any influence it may or may not have, and eBay's seller engagement overall is reflective of eBay management's priorities, internal policies, and strategic decision-making - or lack thereof.

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