EcommerceBytes - Steiners threatened?

[pdxbuys]

What's up with this?
https://www.scapicchiolaw.com/pdf/Steiner.pdf

The suit alleges eBay engaged in a conspiracy to intimidate, threaten to kill, torture, terrorize, stalk and silence the Steiners through a barrage of around-the-clock cyberstalking, ominous death threats and deliveries, and in-person surveillance that caused the Steiners to fear for their lives.

[katzrul15]

Reading "some" of the posts on this thread is like a study of psychology, in itself. 

I have changed my mind about wanting to meet other sellers "live".  🙃

[kosmosattik]

I've never read EcommerceBytes and have no inclination to do so, but if the gist of the criticism is that eBay's quality control is dismal that would be hard to argue against.

If the allegations are true, one wonders why eBay didn't take tech's tried and true path to squelching a threat--buy out EB at an inflated valuation and then kill it.  I suppose that would be problematic from a PR standpoint if the eBay name was stamped on the acquisition.  Maybe an offshore entity with eBay's ownership disguised would have done the trick.  

[coolections]

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@eunster1313 wrote:

(They are mostly aimed at causing worry and concern about selling on ebay and why even read this stuff to get yourself all worked up about nothing in general.)

1. The site is about ecommerce if general not just eBay.

2. If the site is dedicated to bashing and poking eBay
    then explain to me why eBay won the ecommercebytes
   Sellers Choice Awards two years in a row after they
   were attached by eBay.

That's because the site is full of Ebay haters, many who left Ebay years ago. It reminds me of being similar to the National Inquirer.

[chapeau-noir]

The COMMENTS section is full of haters - the same old hacks posting the same old stuff.  That is the case with any comment section and is why publications are getting rid of them - they add little value.  I have no idea why anyone pays attention to them?? 

But say if the Steiners got rid of them then there no doubt would be screams and tears over that, too.  I think people just like to complain.

[paperjet]

Most of those negative posts are probably engineered by Steiner & Co. 

[paperjet]

Very impressive job of rounding up those headlines...however ...my stance is that Steiner's only post negative Amazon stories when they are already released nationwide. I think I recognize a few. And that the underlying comments are far less caustic, relentless and loaded when talking about Amazon. Furthermore, Most unfavorable changes made by eBay and Amazon platforms are because of the stupidity and/or cleverness of buyers/sellers that cause problems. The point of the whole case is that Ecommercebytes was (sic) successful in causing great unrest in eBay headquarters, enough to cause some employees to lose their professional bearings and take reckless action. You can see this type of stuff everywhere in litigation...ie..."I am sorry your honor, my kids and dogs drove my neighbor into insanity and he hit my husband in the nose for no reason". "We are losing sleep, depressed, and my kids won't eat healthy food anymore" "my dogs wail all nite long". I still say, Steiners either have a deep deep hatred for everyhting eBay - or they are allied with Amazon. Take your pick

[chapeau-noir]

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@paperjet wrote:

Most of those negative posts are probably engineered by Steiner & Co. 

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I seriously doubt it.  They've even come onto the chat area to tell people to clean up their act.

The idea that Space Cowboy Bozos (or his replacement) is paying a couple of columnists who have been in the business for 20-odd years to publish a scurrilous column about eBay/Etsy/Ruby Lane/Whomever else to boost his business is hysterical.  I mean, eBay has about 9% of the ecommerce sales with Amazon at about 50%, at most (in 2019 it was about 6%).  Why bother?

[chapeau-noir]

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@paperjet wrote:

Very impressive job of rounding up those headlines...however ...my stance is that Steiner's only post negative Amazon stories when they are already released nationwide. I think I recognize a few. And that the underlying comments are far less caustic, relentless and loaded when talking about Amazon. Furthermore, Most unfavorable changes made by eBay and Amazon platforms are because of the stupidity and/or cleverness of buyers/sellers that cause problems. The point of the whole case is that Ecommercebytes was (sic) successful in causing great unrest in eBay headquarters, enough to cause some employees to lose their professional bearings and take reckless action. You can see this type of stuff everywhere in litigation...ie..."I am sorry your honor, my kids and dogs drove my neighbor into insanity and he hit my husband in the nose for no reason". "We are losing sleep, depressed, and my kids won't eat healthy food anymore" "my dogs wail all nite long". I still say, Steiners either have a deep deep hatred for everyhting eBay - or they are allied with Amazon. Take your pick

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Too complicated to try to achieve too little.  How about Wenig was an egotistical twit and he had lickspittle employees with maturity level of about 12 who wanted to suck up to him?  They had a great ride out of it, too, charging expensive meals and lodging and giggling as they played their pranks.  Every company has 'em.  Amazon does not need this rubbish - they have enough of their own.

eBay is not even in the etailing conversation (which surprises me, but this has been reported over and over).  They are NO threat to Amazon.

[vintagecraze50]

Well, some of the folks involved were quite young executives in the trust and safety dept I believe. In their early or late twenties. It certainly does take some time to mature and to not rely on adolescent pranks to get what you want. Also, one of the folks was a retired police officer, oh geez is that not ironic? Something happened terribly wrong in this execution to help tone down the possible negative chatter going on on this blog. CERTAINLY, if I were a corporation and something was going on that threatened the livelihood of said corporation, I would act on it, but not with adolescent pranks and threats to people’s lives. Perhaps a payoff, but that again would be interfering with the sometimes, “fake news”, and maybe ILLEGAL and unlawful. I am sure that that tactic is used quite frequently when big corps want to shut someone up. Nuff said.

[vintagecraze50]

Bezos probabably did not even know it existed. I agree, his company WAY ahead of the game, however, there was some sneaky using ebay’s Email system to communicate with sellers to leave ebay and join AMZ. ONE NEVER WILL KNOW all the complexities of this situation.

[vintagecraze50]

How bought Wenig being naturally perturbed by the incessant negative stuff on that blog and being quite colorful in his speech like what was posted about this as ‘TAKE HER DOWN”, then the underlings carrying out a plan with such words COMPLETELY crazy and not what he intended. HE WAS trying to establish another blog site to help Ebay’s PR from what I read to counter all the NEGATIVE posts on that site. Me, I would not immediately place the blame on him. The others could have had an entire agenda of their own. 

[chapeau-noir]

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@vintagecraze50 wrote:

How bought Wenig being naturally perturbed by the incessant negative stuff on that blog and being quite colorful in his speech like what was posted about this as ‘TAKE HER DOWN”, then the underlings carrying out a plan with such words COMPLETELY crazy and not what he intended. HE WAS trying to establish another blog site to help Ebay’s PR from what I read to counter all the NEGATIVE posts on that site. Me, I would not immediately place the blame on him. The others could have had an entire agenda of their own. 

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Who said I put the actual blame on him (though I know CEOs are teflon covered)? Nonetheless, he was a bit slimy and capable of spouting some pretty ridiculous nonsense - it's easy for some people to run with it. 

Again, I do not think ecommerce bytes is THAT influential - the people acting in this situation were immature buffoons and they can pay for their behaviour and grow up.  Is eBay really so fragile that they can't take a critical column?  Really?

[pdxbuys]

Age is no excuse for what they did.  I don't think they teach that kind of stuff in biz school!

[pdxbuys]

Hmm...  Sounds like Trump and the "insurrection".

[mr_lincoln]

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@gjs_16 wrote:

Yeah I'm not really fond of eCommerceBytes articles about eaby, they never seem to have anything nice to say so I don't read them anymore, that however is as far as I go... Whether this lawsuit has any merit, or whether it's more of the general "eCommerceBytes" negativity manifesting itself, I wouldn't know but as someone else mentioned, why get worked up over something that doesn't really have anything to do with me or mine?

Let the upset people do what they must, always another one out there, the whole story does seem just a tee bit fantastical but again, in the big picture it's all really quite none of my dang business.

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@gis_16  It is an interesting dynamic as is The Community ... as are News Channels on TV but they are all about money and getting advertising dollars.  Its hard to get advertisers if all one does is broadcast good news.  I don't know how internet reporting sites work, like eccomerbytes,  but I suspect it's similar.  The Community is a different animal and if someone came here for the first item and read one post from one member they might form the wrong opinion.  Yes, there are eBay Lovers and Haters here as well as Trolls Baiters, Cheerleaders and Bashers ... everyone decides what type they are going to be and very few deviate from that persona.

I try to be fair and will NOT hesitate to "Give credit where credit is due" (type that in the Search window and see what comes up) and have a series of those positive threads here.  I love Selling on eBay, could NOT have sold and shipped items to all 50 States on my own and still view them as THE best place for collectibles and hard to find items.   But to be fair, I will not hesitate to call them out on poor business decisions, poor site programming, unfixed glitches, etc.  Sadly, the latter has been more the case lately then the former. 

As to others who post here, I find I will agree with them on one thread with lots of high 5s and back slapping but disagreed with them on another thread ... but to me THAT is normal, THAT is the spirit of "Discussion" as everyone has their own opinion and are entitled to them ... I have even given Helpfuls to opposing opinions because while they may differ from mine they still may have a valid point ... I've even CHANGED my opinion on subjects based on an opposing view being posted.