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matt266 · ‎07-15-2017

Hi i have this person make offer on a item and i accepted .

I tested it and it worked good .They sent a immediate return upon recieving .

I started to look at their feedback. And then their feedback for others.

This is a big scammer and has been doing it to many other people . And leaving them negatives .

I feel so bad for all thos other sellers. How does ebay keep alllowing this. This person is a obvious big tiem scammer .Its hard to tell how many people are victims as some leave automatic feedback . Im not a expert on this and what are the exact steps .

They have just opened a false return tryign to get me pay return shipping . Looks like they are also sending many sellers garabage back and junk instead of their items .

ooak-tammy · ‎07-24-2017

@retrose1 wrote:
@itsjustasprain wrote:
retrose1 wrote:
It is much easier to pull the abusers internet access usage privileges and/or actual post office usage once they get enough complaints about abuse.
How does the Usps 'pull the abusers internet access usage privileges' exactly?
The address becomes persona non grata.

The post office has nothing to do with internet access. As for losing post office usage, sending and receiving mail is a Constitutional right. A person can lose package pickup services because they have defrauded the USPS usually by sending nonmedia by media mail.

itsjustasprain · ‎07-24-2017

@retrose1 wrote:
@itsjustasprain wrote:
retrose1 wrote:
It is much easier to pull the abusers internet access usage privileges and/or actual post office usage once they get enough complaints about abuse.
How does the Usps 'pull the abusers internet access usage privileges' exactly?
The address becomes persona non grata.

Meaning what exactly? And how does that affect their internet access? You keep pulling out these important sounding phrases but they dont seem to have any basis in reality as far as the PO goes.

In another thread you said that 'the PO will shut down the buyers internet purchasing rights' and you still havent explained what 'buyers internet purchasing rights' are or how a shut down is supposed to work either.

ooak-tammy · ‎07-24-2017

@d-k_treasures wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@siayan wrote:
I agree but they do it because they have no recourse. Mail Fraud is not prosecuted.
That was exactly my point. You adapt or leave, because no one in the last decade has figured out how to stop SNAD scams.

And suggesting we get a postal employee to take time out of his day in the mistaken belief that he will someday be a "witness" on our behalf just slows down the line at the counter for everyone else.
I understand what you are saying but part of the Post Offices job is mail fraud. They have a whole mail fraud division. There is no other agency that can do anything about. It is not eBays job to police the Post Office. This fraud happens over and over because people know there is no one going to stop them. Just because the Post Office is big doesn't mean they should just neglect mail fraud. I am saying a few cases and word would circulate and it would stop.

I say the Post Office should do their job.
The USPS does it's job. I don't think you understand what prosecuting fraud requires. You need evidence, not the word of a seller and a picture on the internet.
I am sorry I forgot there was a few people who work at the Post Office on here.

In the United States, mail and wire fraud is any fraudulent scheme to intentionally deprive another of property or honest services via mail or wire communication. It has been a federal crime in the United States since 1872.
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty. The word of a seller and a picture on the internet isn't evidence. You have to be able to prove fraud before you can bring a lawsuit.
Even the postal police have to have evidence to prosecute.
Apparently you haven't read the thread through.
Yes I read it, and apparently you don't understand evidence. None of what was written was evidence.
@ooak-tammy Did you read where I suggested the Post Office have a fee service where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud. I know this would be an undue burden on the Post Office Employees and of course, it would have to have Union approval but it was a suggestion to get evidence that seems to be impossible to find. They may even need to hire more employees to do this as the extra five minutes would hold the line up for 1/2 hour but that was my point in the beginning.
But the better way for this fee service to work would be that the seller brings in the item to be shipped, it's inspected and sealed and shipped at that point. A special piece of tape can be put over the shipping box.

Then on a return, the same person gets to open it and inspect it.

Now, we know that no one is going to be an expert in everything, or even in some things sold here, but if the box is sealed by the PO and there is something like a serial number(which would then be attached to the tracking #) or 'do not remove' stickers across electronics openings, that would help. Obviously this should only be used for higher value items. But if they inspect and you had sent an Ipad and received back a cheap RCA tablet, it should work perfectly.

How is the post office supposed to know what was sold? You go in and lift the cover and say "it's an Ipad" The person behind the counter won't have the time to examine it, and what happens if she drops the object and breaks it? The package arrives at the buyers, and they say "it's not an Ipad"

Or it's in worse shape than described or it's a fake. The USPS will NOT get involved it that.

ooak-tammy · ‎07-24-2017

@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@siayan wrote:
I agree but they do it because they have no recourse. Mail Fraud is not prosecuted.
That was exactly my point. You adapt or leave, because no one in the last decade has figured out how to stop SNAD scams.

And suggesting we get a postal employee to take time out of his day in the mistaken belief that he will someday be a "witness" on our behalf just slows down the line at the counter for everyone else.
I understand what you are saying but part of the Post Offices job is mail fraud. They have a whole mail fraud division. There is no other agency that can do anything about. It is not eBays job to police the Post Office. This fraud happens over and over because people know there is no one going to stop them. Just because the Post Office is big doesn't mean they should just neglect mail fraud. I am saying a few cases and word would circulate and it would stop.

I say the Post Office should do their job.
The USPS does it's job. I don't think you understand what prosecuting fraud requires. You need evidence, not the word of a seller and a picture on the internet.
I am sorry I forgot there was a few people who work at the Post Office on here.

In the United States, mail and wire fraud is any fraudulent scheme to intentionally deprive another of property or honest services via mail or wire communication. It has been a federal crime in the United States since 1872.
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty. The word of a seller and a picture on the internet isn't evidence. You have to be able to prove fraud before you can bring a lawsuit.
Even the postal police have to have evidence to prosecute.
Apparently you haven't read the thread through.
Yes I read it, and apparently you don't understand evidence. None of what was written was evidence.
@ooak-tammy Did you read where I suggested the Post Office have a fee service where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud. I know this would be an undue burden on the Post Office Employees and of course, it would have to have Union approval but it was a suggestion to get evidence that seems to be impossible to find. They may even need to hire more employees to do this as the extra five minutes would hold the line up for 1/2 hour but that was my point in the beginning.
The post office is trying to reduce it's workforce by 20,000 employees. I don't think they will be willing to insert themselves into a simple seller's argument with a buyer. The post office will not accept it was a fraud unless the post office knows what is being shipped. The post office doesn't want to be in the middle of a "he said/she said" battle.
That was my point to begin with. The Post Officer doesn't want to do the job of stopping mail fraud.

And my point is that a seller's word and a picture on the net doesn't equal fraud. Every time a package is lost or an item returned, the seller is told to file a fraud case with the USPS. That case

will be tossed because there is no evidence of fraud, nobody knows what was shipped and what was received. The USPS does have special police officers that investigate fraud, mail bombs, etc etc.

However, they need EVIDENCE, no a picture on ebay.

southern*sweet*tea · ‎07-24-2017

@itsjustasprain wrote:
@retrose1 wrote:
@itsjustasprain wrote:
retrose1 wrote:
It is much easier to pull the abusers internet access usage privileges and/or actual post office usage once they get enough complaints about abuse.
How does the Usps 'pull the abusers internet access usage privileges' exactly?
The address becomes persona non grata.
Meaning what exactly? And how does that affect their internet access? You keep pulling out these important sounding phrases but they dont seem to have any basis in reality as far as the PO goes.

In another thread you said that 'the PO will shut down the buyers internet purchasing rights' and you still havent explained what 'buyers internet purchasing rights' are or how a shut down is supposed to work either.

The person's address loses the ability to print internet postage and use carrier pickups. All outgoing packages have to be mailed at the PO counter.

The easier you are to offend the easier you are to control.

We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did. - Thomas Sowell

bestink777 · ‎07-24-2017

1. You have to accept the return and issue shipping label for the buyer.

2. You might received something back that is not your original product. but take as many pictures as you can and email to the buyer, tell the buyer that he/she did not return the original item.

3. wait for 1 day, if the buyer don't response to you, ask ebay to step in.

4. ebay maybe favor you OR favor buyer. If favor the buyer, you will need to call ebay and explain whole story to ebay. MAYBE ebay will trust your story but maybe not. It really depends on who you talk to .

If you don't communicate with the buyer before you contact ebay, ebay always favor buyer. If you've done everything you can do, but ebay still favor buyer, file IC3 online.