eBay

matt266 · ‎07-15-2017

Hi i have this person make offer on a item and i accepted .

I tested it and it worked good .They sent a immediate return upon recieving .

I started to look at their feedback. And then their feedback for others.

This is a big scammer and has been doing it to many other people . And leaving them negatives .

I feel so bad for all thos other sellers. How does ebay keep alllowing this. This person is a obvious big tiem scammer .Its hard to tell how many people are victims as some leave automatic feedback . Im not a expert on this and what are the exact steps .

They have just opened a false return tryign to get me pay return shipping . Looks like they are also sending many sellers garabage back and junk instead of their items .

matt266 · ‎07-18-2017

Hi on the listing it says been removed . But the return is still up i click see details .First tiem i had this happen forgive me not knowing . Im havign a hard time seeing anything else .

retrose1 · ‎07-18-2017

Call CS and have them close it.

(*Bleep*)

ooak-tammy · ‎07-18-2017

@retrose1 wrote:
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty.

Unless you are a seller on ebay.
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That's not true, sellers have the same rights in a court of law as anyone else. Everyone is
innocent until proven guilty and you can't be charged with a crime unless there is evidence.
As you well know, Ebay isn't a court of law and is required to provid consumer protections.

matt266 · ‎07-19-2017

I called Cs and they suppsoe to cose it and its still open? anything i can do ?

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎07-19-2017

Call in the morning for an American. You have to INSIST they close it while you are on the phone, otherwise they just lie, pretend they are making notes, and hang up on you.

matt266 · ‎07-20-2017

Ive called again and they say they have to let it expire and nothing they can do is this correct ?

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎07-20-2017

@matt266 wrote:
Ive called again and they say they have to let it expire and nothing they can do is this correct ?

Nope. All depends on who answers the phone.

matt266 · ‎07-21-2017

ive tried 3 -4 times now always same thing ? can the ebay guy here help me trinton ? i need a return closed by a buyer who is no longer a member do to scamming .

siayan · ‎07-21-2017

@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@siayan wrote:
I agree but they do it because they have no recourse. Mail Fraud is not prosecuted.
That was exactly my point. You adapt or leave, because no one in the last decade has figured out how to stop SNAD scams.

And suggesting we get a postal employee to take time out of his day in the mistaken belief that he will someday be a "witness" on our behalf just slows down the line at the counter for everyone else.
I understand what you are saying but part of the Post Offices job is mail fraud. They have a whole mail fraud division. There is no other agency that can do anything about. It is not eBays job to police the Post Office. This fraud happens over and over because people know there is no one going to stop them. Just because the Post Office is big doesn't mean they should just neglect mail fraud. I am saying a few cases and word would circulate and it would stop.

I say the Post Office should do their job.
The USPS does it's job. I don't think you understand what prosecuting fraud requires. You need evidence, not the word of a seller and a picture on the internet.
I am sorry I forgot there was a few people who work at the Post Office on here.

In the United States, mail and wire fraud is any fraudulent scheme to intentionally deprive another of property or honest services via mail or wire communication. It has been a federal crime in the United States since 1872.
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty. The word of a seller and a picture on the internet isn't evidence. You have to be able to prove fraud before you can bring a lawsuit.
Even the postal police have to have evidence to prosecute.
Apparently you haven't read the thread through.
Yes I read it, and apparently you don't understand evidence. None of what was written was evidence.

@ooak-tammy Did you read where I suggested the Post Office have a fee service where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud. I know this would be an undue burden on the Post Office Employees and of course, it would have to have Union approval but it was a suggestion to get evidence that seems to be impossible to find. They may even need to hire more employees to do this as the extra five minutes would hold the line up for 1/2 hour but that was my point in the beginning.

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Prov 20:14 It is naught, it is naught, saith the buyer: but when he is gone his way, then he boasteth.

honeysuckle-lane · ‎07-21-2017

@matt266

I totally understand. A buyer returned a different item to me last week and then had the nerve to tell me to leave positive feedback.

Today I got a nasty message from a buyer about a damaged shipment. The funny thing is the message was sent before the package was delivered. I guess they don't realize we can check time of delivery compared to time of message being sent. She said she didn't open the package, but also made claims about the product not being sealed, it was infact factory sealed. Who knows what I will get back.

She had her feedback set at private and I had a bad feeling, but took a chance and shipped, to have this happen. Seller are not allowed to have private feedback so she is hiding ( I believe) the fact that she does this often. I will no longer ship to anyone with private feedback.

We need a list of scamming buyers. Sorry you are going through this.

b4b4b4b · ‎07-21-2017

I don't know the answer to this which is why I am asking.

Is the "buyer" able to just open a new account and continue on doing what he has been doing?

honeysuckle-lane · ‎07-21-2017

@matt266
Yes, I believe so. He may already have several accounts.

sg51 · ‎07-21-2017

where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud.

Such a procedure solves no known problem.

It might prove a fraudulent return, but no one cares, and seller is still responsible to refund.

Postal employee and seller can stand there, looking at each other, looking at the brick, and complain about fraud, and perhaps complain about the decline of modern life, blaming politicians.

ooak-tammy · ‎07-22-2017

@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@ooak-tammy wrote:
@siayan wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@siayan wrote:
I agree but they do it because they have no recourse. Mail Fraud is not prosecuted.
That was exactly my point. You adapt or leave, because no one in the last decade has figured out how to stop SNAD scams.

And suggesting we get a postal employee to take time out of his day in the mistaken belief that he will someday be a "witness" on our behalf just slows down the line at the counter for everyone else.
I understand what you are saying but part of the Post Offices job is mail fraud. They have a whole mail fraud division. There is no other agency that can do anything about. It is not eBays job to police the Post Office. This fraud happens over and over because people know there is no one going to stop them. Just because the Post Office is big doesn't mean they should just neglect mail fraud. I am saying a few cases and word would circulate and it would stop.

I say the Post Office should do their job.
The USPS does it's job. I don't think you understand what prosecuting fraud requires. You need evidence, not the word of a seller and a picture on the internet.
I am sorry I forgot there was a few people who work at the Post Office on here.

In the United States, mail and wire fraud is any fraudulent scheme to intentionally deprive another of property or honest services via mail or wire communication. It has been a federal crime in the United States since 1872.
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty. The word of a seller and a picture on the internet isn't evidence. You have to be able to prove fraud before you can bring a lawsuit.
Even the postal police have to have evidence to prosecute.
Apparently you haven't read the thread through.
Yes I read it, and apparently you don't understand evidence. None of what was written was evidence.
@ooak-tammy Did you read where I suggested the Post Office have a fee service where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud. I know this would be an undue burden on the Post Office Employees and of course, it would have to have Union approval but it was a suggestion to get evidence that seems to be impossible to find. They may even need to hire more employees to do this as the extra five minutes would hold the line up for 1/2 hour but that was my point in the beginning.

The post office is trying to reduce it's workforce by 20,000 employees. I don't think they will be willing to insert themselves into a simple seller's argument with a buyer. The post office will not accept it was a fraud unless the post office knows what is being shipped. The post office doesn't want to be in the middle of a "he said/she said" battle.

retrose1 · ‎07-22-2017

@sg51 wrote:
where a package would be held at the Post Office and opened in front of a Post Office Employee? Maybe when someone opens it and there is a brick inside instead of a laptop the Postal Employee could realize that was fraud.

Such a procedure solves no known problem.

It might prove a fraudulent return, but no one cares, and seller is still responsible to refund.

Postal employee and seller can stand there, looking at each other, looking at the brick, and complain about fraud, and perhaps complain about the decline of modern life, blaming politicians.

And then the seller says I want to report the shipper for using the mail to commit fraud. Then the postal employee will go and get the postmaster and paperwork and phone calls will be made.

The last person I reported for fraud, I got them for not only the fraud to me, but shipping clothing media mail. The postmaster was making phone calls while I was there shipping other stuff and within a month, the busy selling and buying id has cobwebs growing from it as nothing is being bought and sold. Pretty sure that they are no longer allowed to print shipping or pick up from their home.

(*Bleep*)