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Ebay Cost Me $2,000.00

A few weeks ago I sold a set of 2021 100th Anniversary Morgan and Peace Dollars for $900.00. 6 Coins in all 3 Morgans and 3 Peace. All graded by NGC at MS69 and MS70. I shipped the coins to the buyer. Then buyer complains to me in emails that the NGC holders have scratches on them. For which these scratches were NOT present when I shipped the coins. So the buyer contacts me via Ebay email and we go back n forth. I say to buyer even if the NGC holder(s) have barley visible scratches on them that does not have a detrimental effect on the value of the coin(s). As the value of the coin is determined by the grade not the condition of the holder. So I DENY the buyers request to return the coins. Because the coin(s) are not defective. Buyer then contacts Ebay and reports that the coins are DEFECTIVE/DAMAGED DURING SHIPPING and requests Ebay FORCE me to accept the return. After buyer contacted Ebay. Ebay sent me 1 email. Not asking my side of the issue. But DEMANDING that I work it out with the buyer and to contact buyer. I had been in contact with the buyer for DAYS already. EBAY NEVER SENT ME AN EMAIL REQUESTING MY SIDE OF THIS ISSUE. 

Next thing I know. I get an email fro Ebay stating EBAY HAS APPROVED THE RETURN BY THE BUYER. Ebay sends the buyer the return address label. I notice in the email that Ebay sent the buyer my FORMER ADDRESS to RETURN the coins. I had changed my address with Ebay 6 years ago when I moved. So when I noticed the WRONG ADRRESS in he Email, I contacted the buyer to tell him to

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@madhi wrote:

rim, On a more supportive note , I just checked all my addresses, which seems to require toggling to all five addresses edits.    And to my surprise my “return address” is an old address!   The other four addresses are my correct new address.  That’s strange as I don’t think I would have changed 4 addresses but not the return.   Who knows what happened,  but I guess I’m lucky I haven’t had a return.  


I did not know that there are different locations for an address.  Can you share a link of where to edit the different locations?

I have had three addresses since I have been dealing with eBay so I need to make sure I do not have an old address or phone number in their system somewhere.

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seems this a new scammer / fraud / claim

the case is scratched! Not the card?

Are we now going to see a new market for non-scratch glass holders / cases which will then turn into glass being cracked claims.

The scam game just keeps going on!

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@stephenmorgan wrote:

@madhi wrote:

rim, On a more supportive note , I just checked all my addresses, which seems to require toggling to all five addresses edits.    And to my surprise my “return address” is an old address!   The other four addresses are my correct new address.  That’s strange as I don’t think I would have changed 4 addresses but not the return.   Who knows what happened,  but I guess I’m lucky I haven’t had a return.  


I did not know that there are different locations for an address.  Can you share a link of where to edit the different locations?

I have had three addresses since I have been dealing with eBay so I need to make sure I do not have an old address or phone number in their system somewhere.


 

There are 5 you need to check.

https://accountsettings.ebay.com/uas

Have a great day.
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@mandisattictoyz wrote:

Actually ebay cost you shipping fees, ebay fees, and whatever the cost of the item was.  But in a side note, if you truly had your new address as the address on file in your eBay profile as current, then I would go to the better business bureau website for San Jose, CA, file a complaint there.  That’s where the road ends before going to arbitration or small claims court.  Sometimes they fix it, but with them hurting as much as they are stock price wise, they aren’t giving any money out right now.  They would rather fork over enormous costs for people to take them all the way through arbitration and see if they lose there first before paying anything as 99% of people won’t go that far and they know it.


 

They had their regular address updated, but not their return address, which Ebay uses for returns.

I don't know why a lot of people bring up the BBB, they don't really do anything but take complaints.

Have a great day.
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Wow.. you changed your address , sold 2K worth of coins and never bothered to check the change was correct? Sorry for your mistake, hopefully the mail system will forward your coins to you. That is assuming you put in a change notice with your PO.

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Unfortunately, you appear to be a new seller on eBay. I have been here since eBay started, over 23 years. You need to work better on how not to function on eBay, eBay rules and policies, and just how not to lose money and deal with difficult buyers. That educational process never ends, trust me. But at over 10,000 coin-related items sold, I have only lost 1 time, an inexpensive coin book.

#1. You must think as a business and not take things personally. This is difficult to do in the beginning, but I always would reflect on just how Walmart would handle the situation.   Get your head into business mode and remove personal feelings. That is the only way you will survive.

#2. Always, always, always accept a return. You cannot fight it. Eat any shipping costs, including return postage if necessary. You will ALWAYS lose on a return filed with eBay if you fight it. Once you accept this fact, your options on how you handle a return will be less in number. The customer is always right - in eBay's opinion. A seller's opinion ranks way down there with eBay.

The item returned to your old address is on you. You own this. Again, education on how this whole eBay thing works as a seller is up to you to learn and no one else. If you don't know something, ask questions. You have tons of resources available to you for this purpose. You cannot simply tell the buyer to ship to a different address than the one eBay provides them with from YOUR account data. Never ship to an address where someone else tells you to ship to, whether as a buyer or seller. Another eBay golden rule to never forget.

I wish you luck but unfortunately, this was an expensive learning experience that you own by not handling the return correctly and having the incorrect address on your account. It's not the end of the world for you as a seller. The only way you can possibly begin to protect yourself is via education. I wish you luck!

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I hear and acknowledge your grief. 

I agree that eBay should be more amiable with sellers. I'd like them to be the selling 'partner' we expect them to be. But I digress.

So many things went wrong here that it's difficult to say any party is more wrong than the next. I mean, it was rather like a perfect storm of seller 'errors', ebay's policy and arbitration, and buyer's attitudes. And I can't say that your situation is common. It's a fluke, and one that went badly for you. I'm sorry to hear it. Really! 

I would do as these other replies suggest and contact USPS, have them investigate the signature confirmation, you need to ask for documentation, and it may take several phone calls and emails. Then contact ebay with what you find, etc. I'd bother the hell out of them, and perhaps take as much as $900 of their time as consolation. Which will likely take a lot of effort as well. And you may not get anything back even then. But is it worth trying? You bet. I would.

There are several types of signature confirmations, and it probably didn't use a direct one (the name on the label), but just anyone at the residence could sign, an adult presumably.

There are some things I would have done differently to augment this outcome more in my favor, such as understanding that the customer who seeks a return for "not as described" is all but guaranteed a return. It's not fair, and perhaps even unethical, but that's ebay for you. It's imperfect and they should work on doing a much better job. Forcing eBay to step in isn't in the sellers interest, and costs you. It's not worth the gamble.

Yes there is a conflict of interest in having ebay be the abitor - of all things, and their decisions are final. And they're so efficient but terrible at it, like rubber stamping most customer claims. And - We know that, if we've been on this site for any length of time and had to deal with a customer opening a case for "not as described". It's a well know meme by now! A total joke. And while there may be times they do agree with the seller, they're few. And Most of the time, the buyer seems to be fishing for a refund (partial or full) And keeping the item. These sorts of buyers should be banned if they're found repeating this shenanigan, but I don't know that they are. Also, block a fussy or sus buyer. Nip it in the bud from having to deal with that person again.

So, the Best Management Practice for customer complaints is to (however grudgingly) accept their return request, quickly as possible, which limits the customer from elevating a case to ebay to arbitrary rule (usually in the customer's favors), and keeps the outcome a reliable one where the seller gets the item back, even if they're out the round trip shipping. This is the way.

I do hope you can somehow work this out. And I would say, in the future do limit your exposure to loss and grief by having a well thought out plan to mitigate situations like yours from occurring again.

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

There are 5 you need to check.

https://accountsettings.ebay.com/uas


Looks like all was ok except that I did not have a return address.  All updated now.

Thanks

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

https://accountsettings.ebay.com/uas/addresses


Looks like all was ok except that I did not have a return address.  All updated now.

Thanks

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I filed a complaint against the Postal Carrier. I was also told by another carrier who was in the room that as a matter of course carriers deliver the package to a person at the residence and get that person to sign for it. The carrier just assumes the person who answers the door is the recipient of the package. They do not as a matter of course ask for ID when delivering to a person who answers the door. So I suspect, nothing will happen to the carrier. The Postal supervisor who was helping did call me. He did send the carrier back to try to retrieve the package two times. The carrier delivered to a male. He said a female answered the door both times and said there is no package there.   

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I did go to my old address several times in an attempt to retrieve the package. Each time no one answered the door. Its an apartment complex so you have to ring the bell from outside the main entrance. 

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I'd file a police report since the coins were addressed to you not the new tenant. I believe that would be illegal.  This is not a magazine push,  this is something clearly not addressed to the addressee.  

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I did file a complaint. Which, I suspect will go nowhere.

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Another thing I would be doing is investigating the person who lives in your old apartment.  You'd be amazed what criminals post on social media.  

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