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judyjudygold · ‎08-14-2019

Finally! I wrote to several congressmen and women about the broad ban of all ivory on ebay. I have finally heard back from them. It will not be long before they will not be able to ban all ivory. Here is one letter I have received:

As you may know, many states have ivory bans that were enacted to fight the illicit elephant ivory trade. This is commendable, but sadly, many of these state ivory bans were put into place without consulting indigenous people who continue their cultural tradition of carvings made from locally found fossilized mammoth ivory or from marine mammals. Banning Americans from purchasing or possessing this type of cultural art destroys a legal source of income for Alaska Natives.

That is why, along with Senator Dan Sullivan and Congressman Don Young, Senator Murkowski has introduced the Empowering Rural Economies Through Alaska Native Sustainable Arts and Handicrafts Act (S. 804). This legislation, if enacted, would preempt states from banning walrus ivory, whale bone, and other marine mammal products that have been legally carved by Alaska Natives under the Marine Mammal Protection Act. Additionally, it would preempt states from issuing bans on fossilized ivory products, including from walrus and extinct mammoths.

Introduced on March 14, 2019, S. 804 was referred to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, of which Senator Murkowski is not a member. It has not yet passed out of the Committee to come to the Senate floor for a full vote, but I have passed your comments on to the Senator, and you can be assured that S. 804 will have her full support.

judyjudygold · ‎08-15-2019

It's very easy to see the difference. After all, they have their "experts" who decide now what is real and what is NOT real...I'm still seeing TONS of ivory get sold on ebay...lots of people are getting around it. All they do is call it "FAUX IVORY" and you can see it's real by the price. The crooks are getting away with it, and the sellers who are following the rules are getting busted!

judyjudygold · ‎08-15-2019

How do you figure that my post is way off the mark?? Of course I can sell it on my own website.

judyjudygold · ‎08-15-2019

Ha! That's why I said it will take them 3-5 years to get this law passed!!

fern*wood · ‎08-15-2019

@judyjudygold wrote:
The elephants that are 6,000 years old do not need saving.

Why? -- because they are already extinct. There weren't even poachers, high powered riffles, and greed at that time, but we know what goes on now.

The current trend to lift protections on many species is regrettable and future generations will pay the real price.

soh.maryl · ‎08-15-2019

So I know nothing about ivory or the sale of it, but you state "if" it passes and later you mention 4-5 years down the road. To me, this isn't "soon". And also, as others have pointed out, eBay can still ban the sale of ivory from its web site.

soh.maryl · ‎08-15-2019

And, since faux, counterfeit, replica, knock off etc goods is not allowed to be sold on eBay, how would listing something as "faux ivory" allow it to be sold here?

itsjustasprain · ‎08-15-2019

@judyjudygold wrote:
Finally! I wrote to several congressmen and women about the broad ban of all ivory on ebay. I have finally heard back from them. It will not be long before they will not be able to ban all ivory. Here is one letter I have received:

As you may know, many states have ivory bans that were enacted to fight the illicit elephant ivory trade. This is commendable, but sadly, many of these state ivory bans were put into place without consulting indigenous people who continue their cultural tradition of carvings made from locally found fossilized mammoth ivory or from marine mammals. Banning Americans from purchasing or possessing this type of cultural art destroys a legal source of income for Alaska Natives.

It looks like the politicians misunderstood the OPs question and the OP misunderstood the politicians answer.

The OP wants to force Ebay to allow ivory sales. This is Ebays own website to allow or ban whatever items they choose. The answer is talking about what Congress can force on the states. Ebay is a business - not a state.

While Congress can force Ebay to STOP selling things like drugs or whatever - restrictions which would have to apply to all other sites the same way - Congress has no authority to tell Ebay that Ebay MUST sell something. They never will. They are also not even trying to - if you read the quoted reply carefully.

So Ebays position on ivory sales will change when Ebay wants to change it - and no one else.

7606dennis · ‎08-15-2019

While I'm not certain what some legislators want in regard to rescinding any ban on the sale of ivory, I don't think that just lifting the ban, which I believe is set by international treaty, would make it illegal for eBay or any other site to not permit it to be listed on their sites. While it might make it legal to trade in ivory, it would not make it illegal not to do so.

"It is an intelligent man that is aware of his own ignorance."

yuzuha · ‎08-15-2019

@soh.maryl wrote:
And, since faux, counterfeit, replica, knock off etc goods is not allowed to be sold on eBay, how would listing something as "faux ivory" allow it to be sold here?

Huh? eBay has no problems with people selling things like faux fur or faux leather because they aren't counterfeit, replicas or knock-offs. All the "faux" means in that case is that it's not real fur or leather.

You can't sell a fake Coach bag here, but you can absolutely sell a bag made of faux leather.

escuintla · ‎08-15-2019

This administration, the one in Washington, just lifted some rules so the endangered species are again "in danger".

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