eBay

thenobletuckylife · ‎07-06-2018

Evening Folks,

Saw this article just a short bit ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/06/ice-says-it-seized-43m-worth-counterfeit-items-in-laredo-texas....

What struck me about the article is that it seems that more effort is being placed on intercepting these fraudulent items destined to leave the country yet to date I haven't heard much about them coming in.

THis truly takes a lot off the market but sellers here are still suffering when competeing against this.

I think it's time other places like ebay decide to call these experts in and clean this place up.

Mr C

tunicaslot · ‎07-10-2018

Just tagging on no reference to this poster.

I agree that I would like to see fakes eliminated but what's the plan folks? There have been fakes around for a long time - I still have a piece of Fool's Gold downstairs from when I was young. Ebay is also not the only venue dealing with the problem.

https://learntogrowwealthonline.com/does-amazon-sell-fake-products-2/

https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/31/fulfilled-by-amazon-counterfeit-fake/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2015/05/11/does-etsy-have-a-problem-with-fake-

goods/#3e6303b35a88

https://poshmark.pissedconsumer.com/they-allow-for-the-sale-of-fake-items-20150503630267.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-marketplace-fake-designer-scammers-2018-3

I remember a few years back - friends taking bus trips to NY and buying fake designer purses. Before you knew it - there were purse parties popping up all over - of course you knew that purse you bought for $30 wasn't really a Gucci

everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures · ‎07-10-2018

@phono_0490xxxxxx wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
Verification or authenticity paperwork is not a requirement...just something smart to do.
But now it really doesn't matter as buyers can pretty return for any reason they want....and seller protection is not what it used to be to say the least. So there is not going to be anything to prove...buyer is just told to return and gets a refund.

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And there is the proof eBay has no resolve to address this issue.... and that nobody here cares to acknowledge there is a serious flaw in this 'return' to refund scenario says even more.

Actually they provided exactly what is required by law to the "rights holders" and will act on those reports as is their legal obligation and they have provided protection for all buyers....so buyers will be guaranteed to be made whole. So saying they are doing nothing is not exactly true.

They are not doing what some "think" they should do....and those would be people that have no rights involved in those items and have no legal qualifications to have more than an opinon....and still the majority of the time are totally unware of the actual laws involving any of it, which one appies to what, and what is actually legal. EBay also does not force anyone to purchase anything they do not actually choose to purchase. If you feel or think an item isn't right...do not purchase it....if you do and it is not right you will get a full refund and are protected.

everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures · ‎07-10-2018

And while all these statement about what ebay isn't doing to resolve etc the facts are all still being ignored as well as the number of counterfeits that are actually being removed....daily, monthly, yearly.
It is fine to sit there and say ebay isn't doing anything at all but then base it in facts...which BTW cannot be done as it isn't true.

elvey · ‎11-10-2018

@sidemouse wrote:
Part of what bothers me...

And there's certainly something wrong with just outright pilfering someone else's idea and making a cheap buck with little to no initial effort on the part of the thief, no doubt about it...
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I have no issues with a manufacturer making a profit, none at all.
They do have overhead and costs to cover, I get that.
But $20 over an item that should cost TWO?
Come on, someone give me a break here.

Who really wants to pay for a so-called OEM item that is wrapped in the emperor's new clothes which makes it cost TEN times more than the same exact same item from the next vendor over?! Yes I realize in some cases the quality control has gone out the window, those things should never have left the factory either but when the part that's ten times cheaper is as good as the OEM?
Help me out a little bit.

I'm struggling...
It's the decision between outright theft and corporate greed, you're asking me which one is guilty?
You are asking me to condemn the theft but condone the greed, is that how I am looking at it?
Therein lies my struggle.

I have no problem condemning outright theft of intellectual rights and property and all of that.
But I also don't really care for the corporate greed that lies at the opposite end of that.
No, I mean I don't care for the corporate greed at all either, I really hold it in no higher regard than the outright theft, in my book the two are one and the same in terms of how bad it is.

If I condemn one I condemn both.

Just my .002

Great point. Exemplified by what's been happening with the Lithium-ion battery market - on ebay and off:

The big names formed a cartel. (There are mountains of proof - which I've seen - and they admitted to it - see, e.g. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-4356_en.htm )
Many many little guys started offering batteries with claimed performance far better than the actual state-of-the art makes possible - and actual performance far worse than both.
For eBay's response to this kind of situation, see https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Selling/Help-us-improve-our-product-pages/m-p/26259798#M970075 where I write:
@syedmhaq: How about listening and doing something when someone contacts you (ebay, not you personally - haven't tried that 'till now) to let you know that there are entire categories that are nothing but fraudulent items. I reported here, and by phone that every item listing in this entire category is a fraudulent listing. Provided plenty of proof thereof. Was told ebay wouldn't remove the listings unless I reported them all, one by one, and even then, who knows. Reported a half dozen or so, and it had no effect. There are hundreds of them. Ridiculous. Fix that, if you want to earn some credibility. From me anyway. Sorry if that's harsh. Ebay's response so far to fraudulent battery listings has been dismal. The best AAA NiMH batteries in the world top out around 1100mAh. These test out at <600 mAh.
(Note: That's about NiMH, but I've complained about the equivalent situation with Li-ion 18650's and the response from eBay has been equivalent. Google is your friend.)

elvey · ‎11-10-2018

So that's why *I* associate border fraud with eBay in an extremely negative way.

@elvey wrote:
Exemplified by what's been happening with the Lithium-ion battery market - on ebay and off:
The big names formed a cartel. (There are mountains of proof - which I've seen - and they admitted to it - see, e.g. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-4356_en.htm )
Many many little guys started offering batteries with claimed performance far better than the actual state-of-the art makes possible - and actual performance far worse than both.
For eBay's response to this kind of situation, see https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Selling/Help-us-improve-our-product-pages/m-p/26259798#M970075 where I write:
@syedmhaq: How about listening and doing something when someone contacts you (ebay, not you personally - haven't tried that 'till now) to let you know that there are entire categories that are nothing but fraudulent items. I reported here, and by phone that every item listing in this entire category is a fraudulent listing. Provided plenty of proof thereof. Was told ebay wouldn't remove the listings unless I reported them all, one by one, and even then, who knows. Reported a half dozen or so, and it had no effect. There are hundreds of them. Ridiculous. Fix that, if you want to earn some credibility. From me anyway. Sorry if that's harsh. Ebay's response so far to fraudulent battery listings has been dismal. The best AAA NiMH batteries in the world top out around 1100mAh. These test out at <600 mAh.

It's astounding that they still haven't taken it down. Now it's worse. It has more company the AAA-rechargeable-batteries-2000mAh category. More precisely: 11000mAh 18650 rechargeable Li-ion battery there are tens of thousands of sold ebay listings for 18650 batteries that don't exist and cannot be built with current technology.

ci1000 · ‎11-10-2018

Report it..... you know they pay people to reort counterfeits?

https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=Report-Counterfeit-or-Pirated-Goods

everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures · ‎11-10-2018

Ebay will make money off whatever until they are legally required to stop. This is why listings are rarely pulled down without a Vero member stepping up and legally making them. Unless you are the Vero member for that item reports will almost always be ignored. It was not always this way but it sure is now.
If the rights holder allows the listings to remain up, and it is their choice and their rights, then it is what it is and no one can say or do much about it.
Everything these days is all about the numbers with ebay and by that I mean the number of sales and the numbers of dollars they collect in fees....which all translate to what they want the stock holders and BOD to see in the quarterly reports and annual reports.
Nothing else matters. They have offered protection for buyers and they can still show the numbers they want to see.

robot-hands · ‎11-11-2018

@thenobletuckylife wrote:

I think it's time other places like ebay decide to call these experts in and clean this place up.

That sounds like a nightmare of biblical proportions.

I can't trust ebay with a simple buyers remorse return...how on Earth am I going to trust eBay with authenticating antiques from 1000 miles away?

elvey · ‎11-12-2018

@ci1000 wrote:

Report it..... you know they pay people to reort counterfeits?

https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=Report-Counterfeit-or-Pirated-Goods

Who pays for that? I don't see anything there about being paid!

elvey · ‎11-12-2018

@robot-hands wrote:
@thenobletuckylife wrote:

I think it's time other places like ebay decide to call these experts in and clean this place up.

That sounds like a nightmare of biblical proportions.

I can't trust ebay with a simple buyers remorse return...how on Earth am I going to trust eBay with authenticating antiques from 1000 miles away?

That sounds like fearmongering. You're saying eBay shouldn't attempt to prevent fraudulent listings? I don't think an IQ above 60 is needed to shut down the categories (groupings) I've proven are 100% fraudulent items - like https://www.ebay.com/bhp/aaa-rechargeable-batteries-2000mah

robot-hands · ‎11-14-2018

@elvey wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:
@thenobletuckylife wrote:

I think it's time other places like ebay decide to call these experts in and clean this place up.

That sounds like a nightmare of biblical proportions.

I can't trust ebay with a simple buyers remorse return...how on Earth am I going to trust eBay with authenticating antiques from 1000 miles away?
That sounds like fearmongering. You're saying eBay shouldn't attempt to prevent fraudulent listings? I don't think an IQ above 60 is needed to shut down the categories (groupings) I've proven are 100% fraudulent items - like https://www.ebay.com/bhp/aaa-rechargeable-batteries-2000mah

Fearmongering, shmearmongering.

You already can't trust ebay to shut down fake listings yet you want to trust an ebay out-sourced expertise program to judge yours and my items for sale too?

woof.