Condition of card, The Meaning?

[jtindall1234u]

The pro buyers are using not as described to get there refund back. I was a collector since 1997. I'am selling some of my cards now. I've have had  four returns. All say not as described. My cards that i seller are from the books i put them in as brand cards. Pro sellers i just found out use flash lights at night to see if card has any can of marks or scratches on them. never heard of that. E-bay has to change this wording. it's wrong for them to have and easy why out of buying a card they are go to send out for grading. Just not far. Thank you Joe

[hyperrush]

collectors may be picky

[kensgiftshop]

@jtindall1234u 

It doesn't matter how they find the scratches or marks, if they are not mentioned in the listing, it is not as described.

[bejenn_72]

Sounds to me like you need to check your cards more carefully.

[jack_bucks_ghost]

unfortunately, it's not much of a collecting hobby anymore--it's more like a building an investment portfolio mentality. we used to buy cards because we wanted those cards...today, it's all about landing the right card of the right person that can be graded PSA 10. and i do agree with the OP that the eBay "item condition" choices don't apply very well to the collectible card market.

[jtindall1234u]

Hey, maybe i'am just and old guy, That have a lot of Kobe and other cards. And when i was buying these cards they would go right in to a penny sleeve and in to my note books. My cards were never touched by any one but me. I'am far from a pro. and i don't need to sell my cards. I just think that word should be some where NEW sellers can understand what Described means.  Your saying if i received a card and it has a hair on it. i can ask for a full refund by saying card is not as Described. am I right or Wrong? Joe

[thenostalgiaeffect]

No... if the card fits the condition description then it is as described. For example, a "Very Good" card should fit the eBay description for very good. If a seller purchases a "very good" card and is upset it doesn't fit a higher grade and is upset that the card has a flaw that was within the description of "Very Good" as outlined by eBay, well then that's the seller's fault for purchasing a card within that description. If you want a flawless card, purchase a psa 10 or shop in person. 

[doc-holmes]

I agree with you completely...if you say near mint, and the buyer eagle eyes some damage, it's still probably near mint. 

Problem is, ebay doesn't work that way. They could buy the card, claim they were expecting a roasted chicken, and claim INAD. 

[12345jamesstamps]

Stamps and coin collectors do the same thing. I sell stamps and photo them in daylight and look for anything out of the ordinary and describe it.

[1786davycrockett · Accepted solution]

@jtindall1234u 

What is the grading guide that you are using?

There are so many determining factors to grading cards now (and coins, and stamps, and records, and books, and so on, and so on); and I don't believe that the "experts" at eBay have any serious comprehension regarding how most of these items should be graded as collectibles.

Scratches, of course, are important, and need to be noted.  Obviously, the prevalence of scratches will subtract from the value and the grade of the card.

And, just because you had immediately slipped your cards into penny sleeves and into  your binders 25 years ago, doesn't necessarily mean that they were "near mint" in the first place:  what about centering, and sharpness of corners, and fingerprints, and so on?  These are all factors which concern serious card collectors.

If you have only had 4 NAD returns so far, it doesn't really sound as if you're being deliberately targeted; but, at the same time, take a closer look at the cards as you list them, and perhaps consider grading a bit more conservatively.

[goodnu9]

eBay doesn't know anything about grading sports & non sport cards. Collectors and dealers have been using Beckett's Price Guides for years to grade their cards.  For my auctions, in my description, I write "The condition of the card, IN MY OPINION" is: ________.

[kh-phdan]

Hello Everyone,

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Thanks for understanding!