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I'm new to selling on ebay so I may be paranoid but something doesn't feel right about this buyer. 

 

I sold an item to this buyer on 8/3 for the buy it now price of $379. I look at their account and it was made that day and had under 100 page views and no other buying history. 

 

At this point im slightly concerned and send an email to the buyer thanking them for the purchase and that I'll be sending the package with signature confirmation and ask if they'll be available to sign for the package. I haven't received a reply to that. 

 

I then Google the name and address of the buyer. The address pulled up and 2016 county records list it as vacant. The name returns no social media hits, and the address and name have no history of association. 

 

At this point I sent another email asking again if they're aware they will need to sign for the package and still haven't gotten a response back. 

 

I understand this is definitive evidence but it smells fishy. Their payment still hasn't cleared and im hoping it doesn't so I can file an UID and close this out. 

 

Am I being paranoid ? Any advice would be appreciated for this situation. 

 

Thanks guys.

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@siayan wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

I have never, ever, ONCE used Ebay's buyer address to ship. I always log in to Paypal and get my info from there. It has never been a problem.

 

The Paypal address is the ONLY one that matters. If the buyer is sending a gift, that is the address to use, and if you use their Ebay info, you're sending to the wrong person and have opened yourself up for an INR.


@southern*sweet*tea, wow.   I believe you but somehow this is not making sense to me.  In all the years I have been selling -- I think it's 7 or 8 years - I have only EVER clicked on the Print Shipping Label from my SOLD listing on my eBay and shipped directly to that address on the label.   If the buyer is sending a gift and doesn't notify me? -- well, that would not be nice.    Hmmmm ... I have to think about this.  I guess it's good I'm not getting many sales lately.   lol


I have never looked at a PayPal address since I started excepting PayPAl when they started.


@siayan, well thank you.  At least I know I'm not alone.   

 

But that doesn't mean we're in the clear .... I think I might check my PP the next few times I get (if I ever get) a sale.  lol

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Okay. Thank you.

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Since you have some time to kill until that payment clears, call the county and see if the residence is vacant. Can't hurt, can only help, and should the county say yes it is vacant, then cancel with "problem with buyer's address". 

Yes this could be a scammer. Nothing wrong with protecting yourself, because I can guarantee you that is almost the only protection you are going to get. 

Stolen ID's, credit cards, use vacant addresses for drop off frequently. No answer to the email about signature required is also a red flag. Call the county. 

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I should have been more specific, the buyer has not paid. 

 

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It is my understanding that once a buyer pays and indicates the address they wish the item mailed to that address is populated to ebay so labels printed from there are the same as from paypal.  The problems arise if someone uses the ebay address BEFORE the payment arrives and thus may use an incorrect (and not covered) address.

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rainbowcolorz wrote: 
believe you but somehow this is not making sense to me.  In all the years I have been selling -- I think it's 7 or 8 years - I have only EVER clicked on the Print Shipping Label from my SOLD listing on my eBay and shipped directly to that address on the label.   If the buyer is sending a gift and doesn't notify me? -- well, that would not be nice.    Hmmmm ... I have to think about this.  I guess it's good I'm not getting many sales lately.   lol

The way you've been doing things is fine. After payment is received, the address that's showing on the Shipping form is the one to which you will ship. Period. It does not matter whether it matches the buyer's eBay address (and if he's sending it to someone as a gift, then it will definitely not match his eBay address, but again, that doesn't matter). 

 

When he made his payment, he selected the address to which he wanted the item sent. He can have several stored and pick one of those, or enter a new one manually when he's making his payment; whatever. The main thing is that you will be using the address seen on the Shipping form when payment is received. That is the only one that matters. Your obligation is to ship to that address, and once it shows a Delivered status to that buyer's City and ZIP code, your job is done.

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@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

I have never, ever, ONCE used Ebay's buyer address to ship. I always log in to Paypal and get my info from there. It has never been a problem.

 

The Paypal address is the ONLY one that matters. If the buyer is sending a gift, that is the address to use, and if you use their Ebay info, you're sending to the wrong person and have opened yourself up for an INR.


@southern*sweet*tea, wow.   I believe you but somehow this is not making sense to me.  In all the years I have been selling -- I think it's 7 or 8 years - I have only EVER clicked on the Print Shipping Label from my SOLD listing on my eBay and shipped directly to that address on the label.   If the buyer is sending a gift and doesn't notify me? -- well, that would not be nice.    Hmmmm ... I have to think about this.  I guess it's good I'm not getting many sales lately.   lol


I don't use Ebay shipping. If you use Ebay shipping, then the address that comes up when you print the label is the one to use.  (I tend to forget most people use Ebay shipping, sorry!)

But for those that do NOT use Ebay shipping, use the address on the Paypal payment.

And no matter how you ship, you won't know the correct address until after the buyer pays.

The easier you are to offend the easier you are to control.


We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did. - Thomas Sowell
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@fern*wood wrote:

It is my understanding that once a buyer pays and indicates the address they wish the item mailed to that address is populated to ebay so labels printed from there are the same as from paypal.  The problems arise if someone uses the ebay address BEFORE the payment arrives and thus may use an incorrect (and not covered) address.


Yes, exactly. Prior to payment, the address showing on the Shipping form will be the buyer's eBay address, since nothing has come along yet to supersede it. After payment is received, in most cases you'll be seeing the same address anyway, but if it's changed, that's still the address to use. A buyer can choose to have his package sent someplace else, and that's how it's done.

 

He does not get to dictate a new address to you in email and have you change it manually. That's how you can lose your seller protection (if you're changing the destination City or ZIP), and some scammers can try to redirect a package that way. It's up to the buyer to select his Ship-To: address prior to payment, and make sure that you receive it with the payment.

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I appreciate the write-up. Everyone here has given solid advice and perspective that I couldn't get without asking, my main concern was the same day as purchase account creation. You did point out it is a vast community of users and that could have been a browser turned buyer that I'm scaring off. I'll lay off the emails, wait for payment, and send it to the paypal address as many have suggested.

 

FYI I have not receive payment, and I'm averaging and email a day. So two. 

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@fern*wood wrote:

It is my understanding that once a buyer pays and indicates the address they wish the item mailed to that address is populated to ebay so labels printed from there are the same as from paypal.  The problems arise if someone uses the ebay address BEFORE the payment arrives and thus may use an incorrect (and not covered) address.


If someone (meaning the seller or the buyer?) uses the eBay address?   And if it's before the payment arrives, then the label should not be printed anyway, correct?  Or am I still confused?

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@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@tarpedge wrote:
Only ship to the address shown on the PayPal transaction Details page, but not until it says okay to ship across the top.

Not to hijack this thread --- My question is not about whether buyer has made payment or not, it's about your reply.  

 

If a seller clicks on send Invoice to Buyer on their eBay Sold item page - the name and address and phone number of the buyer comes right up.  Isn't that address shown there for the buyer enough that when the buyer pays from the Invoice, and that same address shows up on the eBay shipping label - the seller will be covered?   


YES, but there is a catch.  You would be covered in Ebay.  But if that address is different than the one that appears on the PP payment, you would NOT be covered under PP's seller protection if you shipped to it.

 

Ebay's policy is you ship to either the address in Ebay or the address on the PP payment.  But the PP policy is not so generous.  To be covered under PP's seller protection you MUST ship to the address on the PP payment notification.


@bubbleman2010 thanks for the info.

 

@mam98031,  thanks for that info!  I must admit I rarely log into my PP except when I go to pay for an item and then that's not really logging in.   It's been this way with me for MANY years.  Thank goodness I have never had a problem.  Why would someone have a different address on their eBay than on their PP??  

 

So, each time these really big sellers who get hundreds of sales per day, get paid, they actually log in to their PP to verify the address each and every time - a hundred or more times per day?   <fainting>

 


Why not just look at the email PP sends you notifying you that you have received a payment.  That is what I do.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@siayan wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

I have never, ever, ONCE used Ebay's buyer address to ship. I always log in to Paypal and get my info from there. It has never been a problem.

 

The Paypal address is the ONLY one that matters. If the buyer is sending a gift, that is the address to use, and if you use their Ebay info, you're sending to the wrong person and have opened yourself up for an INR.


@southern*sweet*tea, wow.   I believe you but somehow this is not making sense to me.  In all the years I have been selling -- I think it's 7 or 8 years - I have only EVER clicked on the Print Shipping Label from my SOLD listing on my eBay and shipped directly to that address on the label.   If the buyer is sending a gift and doesn't notify me? -- well, that would not be nice.    Hmmmm ... I have to think about this.  I guess it's good I'm not getting many sales lately.   lol


I have never looked at a PayPal address since I started excepting PayPAl when they started.


@siayan, well thank you.  At least I know I'm not alone.   

 

But that doesn't mean we're in the clear .... I think I might check my PP the next few times I get (if I ever get) a sale.  lol


Checking it only a "few" times is not enough.  You could have 15 sales be just fine, and then the 16th has a different address.  You need to check EVERY payment.  You can do that by logging into PP and looking at it there or just check the email you get from PP notifying you that you have received a payment.

 

My policy is that I verify the address on the email we receive from PP.  I've done it for as long as I've been selling on Ebay and that is getting close to 20 years.  BTW, I also log into PP and veryify the payments I've received for any given day.  Not the addresses, I do that from the emails.  But I verify that the PP payment is there and all is well.  It only takes a moment and it is worth the safety.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@jpf0390 wrote:

I appreciate the write-up. Everyone here has given solid advice and perspective that I couldn't get without asking, my main concern was the same day as purchase account creation. You did point out it is a vast community of users and that could have been a browser turned buyer that I'm scaring off. I'll lay off the emails, wait for payment, and send it to the paypal address as many have suggested.

 

FYI I have not receive payment, and I'm averaging and email a day. So two. 


Yes, give them a little room to breath.  No more emails.  But if you don't have communication or payment in a couple days, file your UID.  That is your best protection if they aren't going to pay.  Remember to note the date and time you open it so you can close it quickly if payment doesn't arrive after 96 hours and 1 minute from the time you opened it.  If you close the UID for non payment, the buyer is blocked from leaving FB on your account.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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This is one I would really liked answered. When someone buys on eBay they can provide any address to ship to and since they bought on eBay and that request should be honored. It appears PayPal requires shipment to only the PayPal address on file.  

 

If they are different who do we ship to? 

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Prov 20:14 It is naught, it is naught, saith the buyer: but when he is gone his way, then he boasteth.
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I think the catch would be here as per PayPal.

 

  1. The recipient's address, showing at least the city and state, or city and country, or zip/postal code (or international equivalent). The address information on your shipping receipt must match the address on the Transaction Details page.

Initial Requirements

  • Ship to the address on the Transaction Details page. If the item was sold through your site, make sure you’re shipping the item to a confirmed address.

What is a Confirmed Address?

A buyer's Confirmed Address is checked against the credit card billing address maintained by his or her credit card company, or is verified by PayPal. Because Confirmed Addresses must be in the name of the account holder, Gift Addresses can never be confirmed

 

 

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Prov 20:14 It is naught, it is naught, saith the buyer: but when he is gone his way, then he boasteth.
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