09-06-2023 05:53 PM
Heads up to sellers: there have been some changes to how buyer blocks work.
On the Buyer Management page, sellers can add buyer IDs to their Blocked Buyer List. There's a setting on that page called "don't allow blocked buyers to contact me."
In the past, that setting affected both buyers blocked by the BBL and buyers blocked by buyer requirements (location, UPI strikes, etc).
eBay made a change. That setting now applies exclusively to buyers blocked by buyer requirements.
When the 'don't allow blocked buyers to contact me' setting is disabled, it no longer applies to people on your BBL.
If a buyer is on your BBL they are blocked from messaging you, even when there's a recent transaction.
Sellers that choose to allow communications when buyers are blocked are now out of luck when they want to protect their accounts from future purchases while simultaneously communicating with a buyer to work out any issues.
There is another block function which is through eBay messages. When this first rolled out we were told 'block this member' blocked only messages and did not add a buyer to your BBL. Using that function does add a buyer to your BBL as confirmed today by Kyle from the Community Team.
09-14-2023 11:10 PM - edited 09-14-2023 11:12 PM
So I just checked the dialog on the BBL page and ... I cannot remember if this bolded portion always said this or was it revised per the new clarification? (see image below)
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09-15-2023 08:30 AM
We can't check the internet archive since it's an account settings page, but as far as I can recall I believe the words "or send you messages" are new relative to when this change was made.
The other bolded portion isn't new. The part about restoring your list isn't new.
The help page doesn't say anything about message blocks.
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/resolving-buyer-issues/blocking-buyer-ebay?id=4082
10-30-2023 11:00 AM
I'm renewing my objection to this change kyle@ebay .
Dealing with a buyer that filed a SNAD even though their reason is remorse. Trying to work things out through messages means I cannot block the buyer from making additional purchases until this is complete. This is infuriating that I can't offer great CS while simultaneously protecting my account.
10-30-2023 01:14 PM
@wastingtime101 wrote:
I'm renewing my objection to this change kyle@ebay .
Dealing with a buyer that filed a SNAD even though their reason is remorse. Trying to work things out through messages means I cannot block the buyer from making additional purchases until this is complete. This is infuriating that I can't offer great CS while simultaneously protecting my account.
Hey @wastingtime101 that's a great use-case that I will be glad to pass along!
11-03-2023 01:40 PM
Thanks kyle@ebay . Here's another use case for you.
This is another reason why eBay should not automatically block communications from buyers on someone's BBL unless the seller enables that setting. I don't know this particular seller's settings, but if they allow messages from blocked bidders then they probably have no idea about the recent changes and that this buyer is trying to do the right thing and reach them to arrange re-payment.
11-06-2023 06:32 AM
@wastingtime101 wrote:
Thanks kyle@ebay . Here's another use case for you.
This is another reason why eBay should not automatically block communications from buyers on someone's BBL unless the seller enables that setting. I don't know this particular seller's settings, but if they allow messages from blocked bidders then they probably have no idea about the recent changes and that this buyer is trying to do the right thing and reach them to arrange re-payment.
Hey @wastingtime101 thanks for this feedback. I'll continue passing this along to the appropriate team as well!
11-07-2023 10:07 PM
I have a major issue with this change. I just talked to customer service, who wrote up something, but I really hope this can be adjusted. He told me he only became aware of this change about 2 weeks ago! I even talked to an eBay rep several weeks ago regarding a buyer who said I didn't respond, he could see the messages, but they never showed up for me. He stated it must be a glitch, I should have received the messages because of my settings, but I now know, this was as designed, and the rep was not aware of the change. This has been very poorly communicated when even eBay reps don't know about this change, how are sellers expected to know? I've been selling for 20 years and now it suddenly changes.
Here's my situation. I had a buyer buy an item, the exact reason isn't important, but I decided to block the buyer after they sent me several messages, and I just knew in my gut this buyer was trouble. I wish we could just cancel, but I understand that's not an option available to sellers, I had to fulfill my part and ship the item they ordered, but I knew for sure I NEVER wanted to deal with this buyer again, so I went ahead and blocked them, and shipped the item, it gave me some peace knowing I would deal with this buyer just this one time.
Well needless to say, this buyer must have had an issue of some kind (I assume user error from the negative feedback I received, but never seeing the message, I have no idea), must have tried to message me, and was understandably upset because I didn't respond. I don't blame the buyer for this, and it was not my intention to not receive the buyer's messages, I just didn't want them to place another order ever again.
This is just bad all around, the buyer got bad service unnecessarily, and had a bad experience on eBay. I had a bad experience as I ended up with a negative (I feel undeserved as I was unaware I was blocking all communication), for a problem I'm sure would have been easy to solve had I received the messages from the buyer.
As it is right now, in a situation like this, I have 2 options:
1) Cut off all communication, but make sure I never sell to the buyer again.
2) Allow the buyer to continue to contact me if they have an issue or problem in the future, but then I have to deal with them maybe purchasing from me again.
Previously I had the ideal option which was to keep communication open indefinitely, but prevent them from making any further purchases.
Maybe I'm petty, but when someone causes me problems, it gives me a small amount of joy when I can block the buyer, and know I will never have to deal with them again, why do you have to take this little joy away. And to change it to block all communication, is just weird. The rep I talked to today since the change was because buyers were harassing sellers, and some sellers wanted to block this. I understand that, but I personally don't even see the point of this. In all my years on eBay, I don't remember ever feeling the need to block all communication with another eBay user. Having the option is fine, but I would personally prefer to receive it, and just ignore the message, and if it's really bad, report the buyer and let eBay deal with them. I think even in the most extreme cases, in the past I've had threats of violence for example, I would want to receive the messages to judge the situation, or at least keep aware of what is happening, so I could at least respond if I chose, or report to authorities, etc.
Can we have 2 lists, a block communication list for those who want the way it works now, and blocked bidder/buyer list?
11-09-2023 01:34 PM
Hi kyle@ebay . Please pass on use case of @dncomputers.ws above, and from @sstcq who posted on this forum and was joined by other sellers on the UK forum:
sstcq wrote:
I posted this thread on eBay UK forums and someone in my thread linked me here. Here's mine:
Re: When blocking a buyer, messages are also block... - UK eBay Community
Your problem is almost word for word, our problem. I want to block someone to prevent additional purchases or retaliatory buys but still keep communication open. This is an appalling change and one that could easily be fixed with a simple toggle not another 'helpful eBay change they didn't bother to explain', so let people choose whether buyers on the BBL can send messages or not.
And even if they are blocking messages, for goodness sake, TELL the buyer their message didn't get through, don't pretend it's been sent then throw it away... what kind of buyer experience is that meant to portray?
11-09-2023 02:12 PM
This message pretty much outlines my experience (near perfectly). If a potential buyer asks me lots of stupid questions then I know they are going to be trouble and I want to block them from buying, but I don't necessarily want to not hear from them again as I might have misunderstood - but an example of this would be 'is it fully-working, what condition is it in, what is best price, etc' especially when this is answered in the listing if they bothered to read your carefully written detailed description and not look at the first picture only.
I recently blocked a buyer because he asked for a discount, I said no, he bought the item anyway and big surprise, there was a problem with it and the partial refund he was seeking would have pretty much amounted to the discount I refused him in the first place. Anyway I troubleshooted the issue as normal but added him to the blocklist to be sure, never heard another peep (now I know why...), a month later get my first negative feedback, 'seller ignored me and stopped responding'. What, I thought? Contacted buyer, he showed me messages that he sent that I never got, thought we had mutual understanding and asked him to change the feedback if I could sort his problem - got blackmailed and decided to let it stay (but that's irrelevant). This was 100% eBay's fault and in the interim I had reps telling me I should be able to receive messages so clearly they didn't know either which makes this even worse. In the end I got told the technical term was 'silent block' but amazingly they were still accepting buyer messages and pretending to send them to me, the seller, none the wiser.
In what possible world can this lead to a good buyer experience and one that encourages buyers and sellers to work together and buyers to buy again? I would love to understand the thought process here. Also 'overwhelming feedback' seems like total **bleep**, who would have demanded one or the other over, say, a toggle that clearly shows how it will work with opt-in/out to blocked buyer messages?
11-09-2023 02:19 PM
But what happens when the buyer is blocked at first and yet makes it to second and wants to message the seller who blocked him when he finally makes it to third?
11-09-2023 02:21 PM
Who's on First?
11-10-2023 11:05 AM - edited 11-10-2023 11:08 AM
Yesterday I received this message. I was the buyer in this case, of a mixed jewelry lot that, according to the seller's description and item specifics, was supposed to include a 14K gold ring (there was a gold colored ring marked 14k but it was fake), and vintage costume pieces marked by 3 specific popular designers (none of the pieces bore those markings). BTW he waited 3 days to ship and the junky jewelry was in a wadded ziploc discolored and brittle with age, and when I cut the box open it was like a huge ashtray full of butts hit my face. This was an obvious, immediate INAD Return, so I did.
I predicted that this seller would ride out his refund window after delivery, and sure enough he did. But just 2 hours before (eBay) midnight of his final day of grace, he sent me a message saying I didn't return everything he sent, describing a few "bleeping" pieces that were not in the ziploc (from his vague description anyway). Then another message about an hour later. I was asleep so I didn't see them. When I awoke the next morning I saw that I had my refund (no idea if it was he or eBay who paid it) and I saw there were 3 seller messages. This threatening one was sent right before I woke up, and after the eBay message saying I was refunded.
Yes I reported it of course. I have no idea what will happen. Considering the dude lives in Minnesota, I live on the Gulf Cost, and he can't even afford a new ziploc, I know better than to really expect him at my door demanding a few pieces of costume jewelry, but the threat to do so is definitely the most unhinged message I have ever received from anyone on eBay. So my wheels automatically start turning, thinking of what else he might do for revenge, and of course one possibility is that he could buy something from ME, with intent to file INR and send back a dog turd or ...... worse. There seems to be a lot more mental illness and RAGE than ever before in this country.
The obvious choice would be to put him on my BBL, but since this would blind me to any subsequent threats he may send, blocking him could actually be a more dangerous choice than leaving myself vulnerable to a malicious purchase. Now for all I know, he isn't aware that I'm a seller and won't obsess enough to figure that out. But bear in mind, this same scenario can (and does) happen with the roles reversed, the threatening party being the buyer, who the seller would obviously want to block, but not block their own awareness of potential danger. And yes it could be ESPECIALLY bad if the threatening party didn't know their messages were blocked, and instead believed their threats were being read, but ignored!
It is the epitome of how shortsighted the policy change is.
11-10-2023 12:02 PM
Hi kyle@ebay . Another use case from gurlcat. She bought a lot, returned for SNAD, seller made threats. She wants to block them from retaliation malicious purchases but cannot because she needs to monitor if the seller escalates with more threatening messages.
@gurlcat - why are you buying and selling on the same ID?! Stop doing that. 😁
11-10-2023 12:56 PM
Because I can't use spendable funds in my other account.
11-10-2023 08:24 PM
Two buyers in past couple days ... both I would like to block from purchases but retain communication ability. I blocked one and didn't block the other. I NEED communication with one (can't block) and I would LIKE communication with the other ... call me morbidly curious (but I did block them).
One took it upon themselves to just return the item outside of ebay's system w/o a case. Need communication open b/c i dont even have a tracking number for it yet. Want to block them from future purchases as they've already burdened my business with their poor buying practices ... but can't as there is an active return I may need to discuss with them.
Other one messaged me accusing me of NAD. Then I politely explained their basic misconceptions to them and they berated me and changed their appeal to remorse return (all in messages, no open case). I decided to block them, they don't need to talk to me to figure out how to open a return if they so choose, and I'm not interested in helping them with that at this point. I definitely don't need them buying from me again, I don't NEED communication with them, but I would have appreciated if it was MY choice whether or not I saw their messages.
I commend you for wanting to provide great CS to someone you've already decided to block. You're a better person than me for sure, some buyers are written off in my book when they've earned a spot on my best buddy list... OTOH sometimes I like to just temporarily block buyers if they start a return, and will unblock them after the return is complete and goes smoothly. In those cases I just want the ability to pause their purchase priveleges from me, would especially want the communication to remain open ... wish that were an option, but that's another problem for another day.