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CS refusing to answer any payments questions

alan@ebay- Your team always tells us if we have questions about managed payments then we should call the number on the payments page.

 

1- The number on that page now routes to the general CS line unless a seller is already opted in to the MP program.

 

2- When a seller not yet opted in to the program speaks with the general CS line they flat out refuse to transfer you to the managed payments team and instead refer you to the managed payments page linked above. When you have a question not addressed on that page- too bad, you're out of luck.

 

Does this mean your team will start answering managed payment questions in the weekly chat and on this board since the phone reps you refer us to won't even take our calls?

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Re: CS refusing to answer any payments questions

alan@ebay
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Hi @coffeebean832  -

 

Thanks for raising this.  Managed payments customer service is geared to answering questions of existing or eligible sellers - specific questions they may have on their pricing, fees, experience, and others.  Since these don't apply to sellers who aren't in the program, or not eligible yet for managed payments, they may not find as much value.  That said, I am curious to hear what your specific question was, and see if we can't get it answered another way.

 

Let me know! 

 

Thanks.

Alan - eBay Community Manager


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Hi alan@ebay 

 

Thank you for the reply. First- I would like to address your point that sellers not yet in the program may not find as much value.

 

We were previously told that the payments phone line was not only for sellers currently in the program, but that it was for all sellers and the phone line could be used to ask questions or to submit feedback to help shape the program. This was the case in the beginning as I have called a couple of times with questions and feedback.

 

I understand limiting the line for something like eBay Concierge where only a select amount of sellers are invited- ever. However with managed payments, even though only a select amount of sellers are currently invited, soon enough all sellers will be using this program. Therefore, the payments line should be taking questions and feedback from any and all sellers who wish to speak with them. This impacts all of us.

 

Second- my specific questions are with regards to chargebacks.

 

Chargebacks can occur based on a time line provided by the payment method chosen by the buyer. In some cases it will be 30 days- in many cases it will be up to a 180 day window.

 

Buyers can file item not received chargebacks. USPS tracking generally expires after 4 months. Some shipping services, such as stamps.com, save the tracking history long after it has expired from USPS.com. PayPal has accepted tracking history from stamps.com when usps.com tracking is no longer available. Will eBay?

 

Now that eBay is managing payments, will they save tracking status in their system past 90 days? Not just tracking number- but tracking status? If not then they should be. Sellers don't need to have visibility (though it would be helpful) as long as CS can see it on the back end and submit it to the financial institution to fight the chargeback.

 

When a chargeback is filed PayPal offers sellers the opportunity to upload supporting documents. Will eBay also have this capability?

 

PayPal very clearly outlines seller protections and requirements to be covered in the event of a chargeback. eBay's managed payments TOS don't. When can we expect this information to be added to eBay's TOS?

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I am also interested in the answer to the question posed on this thread. The eBay rep gave an incomplete answer- somewhat dancing around the question. When asked for clarification posters were rebuffed.

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Leave it with me and I will see what I can find out. Thanks, @coffeebean832 . 

Alan - eBay Community Manager


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@coffeebean832 

 

Great questions! Nothing wrong with trying to get some direction now rather than hit with a 2 week or less notice before you have been factored into the program. Thank you for your on spot remarks. 

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Hi @coffeebean832

 

In regards to seller protections, we’re in the process of updating our seller protection policy for managed payments in the coming weeks.  We’ll send out a notice to all sellers when this is published.  Please keep an eye on your email at the address on file or My Messages on your eBay account. 

 

I am waiting on answers to the other questions you posted. 

Thank you! 

Alan - eBay Community Manager


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Have you heard back from the payments team alan@ebay?

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We were previously told that the payments phone line was not only for sellers currently in the program, but that it was for all sellers and the phone line could be used to ask questions ..

 

I remember when I asked about "unauthorized use" chargebacks in a weekly chat.  The phone number was posted  by a visiting blue as "the best way to find out all about MP" and the question remained unanswered.  When I responded and pointed out that the phone number was the "generic" eBay CS number, I was quickly told by eBay staff that "No, that went directly to the MP team."   Of course, it did not, but hopefully some coaching was provided. 

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@coffeebean832 

 

Hi, looks to me you should bring this up AGAIN on today's Chat?. I try to keep track of answers open, answers given but my list is now too voluminous regarding answers open lololol. Good Luck. If I am not taking my nap, I may be there today. 

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@ittybitnot wrote:

We were previously told that the payments phone line was not only for sellers currently in the program, but that it was for all sellers and the phone line could be used to ask questions ..

 

I remember when I asked about "unauthorized use" chargebacks in a weekly chat.  The phone number was posted  by a visiting blue as "the best way to find out all about MP" and the question remained unanswered.  When I responded and pointed out that the phone number was the "generic" eBay CS number, I was quickly told by eBay staff that "No, that went directly to the MP team."   Of course, it did not, but hopefully some coaching was provided. 


I do recall eBay staff telling us to use the contact info on the managed payment help pages.  I also have called this number a few times and always got a managed payments team.

 

The only difference I can figure out is when I called I was already invited to join managed payments and it is possible that if you are not in managed payments and or invited you might not get the managed payments team?

 

About unauthorized use chargebacks, here is what the managed payments terms of use says:

Payments Dispute Fees

Upon the conclusion of a Dispute investigation and/or re-presentment that results in you being found responsible for the chargeback or other disputed amounts, we charge a $20 payments dispute fee, excluding any applicable sales tax, for each Dispute. You may appeal the payments dispute fee within 30 days from when we invoice the payments dispute fee if you believe that you have been charged in error.

 

As usual the language is a bit loosely presented.  What this says to me is that if eBay presents a seller with a chargeback, the seller can have a dispute started but it does cost 20.00 for the dispute investigation regardless if you win or loose the dispute.

 

Also here is the answer to the question I have seen a few times about the new fee just revealed a few weeks ago called "per listing payments fees" (0.25 per item number/per transaction processed through managed payments).  The question is about refunds or credits for these per listing payments fees when a case is decided in seller favor.  Here is what the managed payment terms of use says about this:

Credits

In some circumstances, you might be eligible for a payments processing fee or payments dispute fee credit in accordance with eBay's policies and procedures. To qualify for a payments processing fee credit, you must refund a buyer in resolution of a refund, return or cancellation request regarding the transaction that was the subject of the payments processing fee, and we need to receive reimbursement for the costs we incurred in connection with the processing of the initial transaction payment. Notwithstanding the foregoing, per listing payments fees are non-refundable.

 

In reading this, note eBay is giving a credit not a refund back to your managed payments account.  What does a credit do?  Does it mean I have to spend it on eBay, pay my monthly bill with the credit?  Credit and Refund do not mean the same thing?  The per listing fee is not refundable.

 

Good Luck Selling!

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I don't know what posting in the chat would accomplish other than being told Alan will post an update to this thread when he has one. Did you have something else in mind @abfabvintage? If you have your own payments questions you can post them here.

 

I just read last week's chat and saw that @goodluckselling had several payments questions. This thread could be a good place to post them and better keep track of what questions everybody has that are pending answers.

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About unauthorized use chargebacks, here is what the managed payments terms of use says:

Payments Dispute Fees

 

Yes, I have read and copied the latest (and previous)  MP TOS.  However, the question was not specifically addressed and remains so as far as I can tell. 

 

Presently:  Unauthorized Use chargebacks come through PayPal.  If you provide "proof of shipping" (not delivery, and not necessarily online viewable) to the address provided when the payment was made  the seller is not penalized.  They get to keep their money and there is no chargeback fee regardless if PayPal subsequently wins or loses the dispute.  

 

So when MP is in effect, we would like to know if this procedure is going to change specifically for Unauthorized Use issues.  Is  eBay going to lump these into a generic "chargeback" pool,  with a $20 fee to the seller?   

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@ittybitnot wrote:

About unauthorized use chargebacks, here is what the managed payments terms of use says:

Payments Dispute Fees

 

Yes, I have read and copied the latest (and previous)  MP TOS.  However, the question was not specifically addressed and remains so as far as I can tell. 

 

Presently:  Unauthorized Use chargebacks come through PayPal.  If you provide "proof of shipping" (not delivery, and not necessarily online viewable) to the address provided when the payment was made  the seller is not penalized.  They get to keep their money and there is no chargeback fee regardless if PayPal subsequently wins or loses the dispute.  

 

So when MP is in effect, we would like to know if this procedure is going to change specifically for Unauthorized Use issues.  Is  eBay going to lump these into a generic "chargeback" pool,  with a $20 fee to the seller?   


The language is a bit loosely presented.  I have asked managed payments team members about this and the answer I got was that the chargeback process will be the same.  They did not elaborate what that means just that the sellers actions would be the same.

 

So I assume if we supply the proof of shipment we will not get the chargeback fee?  The language also says there is a fee to start a dispute.  Hopefully eBay will allow sellers to provide the proof of shipment before the dispute process.

 

Good Luck Selling!

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I'm posting a screenshot from last week's chat for reference.

 

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