07-30-2024 12:28 PM
Anyone else noticing an EXTREME number of bottom feeders (those who send RIDICULOUSLY low offers) recently?
Example: I currently have some Brand New in the Box items for sale for $249.00. The lowest current price for these items anywhere on the Internet, whether it be Retail or Wholesale is $719.89! Yet, I get offers for less than $100.00!
Yes, I know I can set minimum prices with BIN but I’m always curious what responses I get and it allows me immediately block the buffoons!
I’m just trying to determine what to attribute this ‘bottom feeding” phenomenon to. I don’t think it’s the economy. The reason I say that is because when I’m out and about whenever I hear someone complain about the economy I watch them get into their $65,000 F250’s (or Dodge Monstertrucks, etc) and guzzle gas all the way to their $500,000+ suburban lairs where they undoubtedly have 2-3 other vehicles (read BMWs, Audis, Teslas, etc) parked in the driveway!
WTH? My wife and I earn a grand total $40-$45,000 a year (dependent on eBay proceeds), yet we own 2 vehicles outright (both Hybrids which average 40-45mpg) and we have a mortgage which we been paying on for 27 years. In 8 years we will have paid it off entirely. We are able to vacation 2 (and sometimes 3x) a year, we dine out 1-3 times a week and we have both been able to put together decent retirement accounts. We live modestly otherwise with very few “extravagant” purchases and the last thing either of us would do is offer less than $100 for an item that has already been discounted by 65%!
So other than the fact that most Americans are Self-Centered, Greedy and feel Entitled I’m just wondering if there are any other obvious clues regarding this descent into oblivion?
Your thoughts would be appreciated!
08-02-2024 07:52 AM
@chapeau-noir wrote:You must live in fairytale land.
Oh lawdy, just stop! 😂
At this time, most marketplaces do not vet their sellers. Period. Submission of a SSN doesn't predict the professionalism of a seller. I've sold on quite a few down through the years. Some of the bad actors may get kicked off, some sites are better at it than others, but it's pretty much a crap shoot no matter what. I might not like it, but that's just reality. Sorry.
I'm not claiming that your SS number somehow is an indicator of your worthiness of being a seller. I am saying you can't DENY who you are by using that number. When a seller is deemed to be unworthy of a platform, then when they are kicked off, the platform certainly has a way to ID you in any future attempted endeavors.
Most marketplaces the size of eBay certainly DO vet their sellers. They also have a much stricter set of rules. The sellers ARE a reflection of the marketplace. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Like the collectability of milk glass, so too has the acceptability of poor sellers become a thing of the past. Some sellers here still live in the past, acting like this platform is your casual yard sale, not like the corporate business that it is. The bigger platforms run their platforms in a professional manner, and at some point, eBay will too if they want to continue to capture any of the market. Remember, you and I will not live forever, and when we are dead, someone will need to be buying here if they intend to stay in business.
A happy person will tell a few of their friends how good something was. An unhappy person will tell EVERYONE how unhappy they are. Failure to capture a younger generation of buyer is a sure way to make yourself irrelevant. Gen X is already starting to dye off. Boomers are dying rapidly.
How about instead of living in the past, you stop and think what the future may look like? How about actually thinking about the problems this platform (and others) will/are facing? Because someone will ALWAYS have something to sell, but the willing buyer is much harder to find. And when this platform basically panders to the two oldest and fastest fading generations, that doesn't make much of a future for it.
08-02-2024 11:16 AM
Most marketplaces the size of eBay certainly DO vet their sellers. They also have a much stricter set of rules.
Which? I'm talking about buy and sell platforms like eBay with everyday people selling their stuff, not "FBA". I just investigated out my 9th or 10th platform the other day - the onboarding did not require vetting beyond the basics.
How about instead of living in the past, you stop and think what the future may look like?
Ad hominem attacks are a debate fail, and further it's irrelevant to my statement.
08-02-2024 12:48 PM - edited 08-02-2024 12:48 PM
Bottom feeders seem to come out the most when I've marked my stuff way down, like 70-90% off. They'll make an offer that's 90% off my 90% off. They get blocked. The older I get the less patience I have for time wasters.
08-02-2024 05:05 PM
@chapeau-noir wrote:Most marketplaces the size of eBay certainly DO vet their sellers. They also have a much stricter set of rules.
Which? I'm talking about buy and sell platforms like eBay with everyday people selling their stuff, not "FBA". I just investigated out my 9th or 10th platform the other day - the onboarding did not require vetting beyond the basics.
How about instead of living in the past, you stop and think what the future may look like?
Ad hominem attacks are a debate fail, and further it's irrelevant to my statement.
@farmalljr I hope you will indeed answer this question. Which platforms, and exactly what rules they have that are stricter than eBay's. Respectfully I have seen you make the claim a lot of times but I don't think you've ever backed it up, unless I missed it.
08-03-2024 12:58 AM
No one has to react to a low ball offer - ignore/reject and move on. Bottom feeders in my book means folks that offer very low prices for their items. Guess we went to different schools.
08-03-2024 01:25 AM - edited 08-03-2024 01:48 AM
Then there is the Urban Dictionary definition and street slang for the same thing.
When I moved to Waco Texas - I had the uncover the meaning of these word - fixin', aimin' and Yankee dime. I like the Yankee dime one and used to bet them because when you loose one still wins. My bride of 40 years, a True Lone Star Lady, had to teach me that.
08-03-2024 12:44 PM
@gurlcat wrote:
@chapeau-noir wrote:Most marketplaces the size of eBay certainly DO vet their sellers. They also have a much stricter set of rules.
Which? I'm talking about buy and sell platforms like eBay with everyday people selling their stuff, not "FBA". I just investigated out my 9th or 10th platform the other day - the onboarding did not require vetting beyond the basics.
How about instead of living in the past, you stop and think what the future may look like?
Ad hominem attacks are a debate fail, and further it's irrelevant to my statement.
@farmalljr I hope you will indeed answer this question. Which platforms, and exactly what rules they have that are stricter than eBay's. Respectfully I have seen you make the claim a lot of times but I don't think you've ever backed it up, unless I missed it.
To be honest, I'm getting tired of this thread. It seems like I am shouting in the dark, to fellow posters who do not listen or observe the world around them. eBay has been in a decline for some time now, but everyone in the house, ignores the flames and smoke. There is more to the world of ecommerce then ebay, though most seem to live under a rock.
As one small example, I will offer whatnot.
2 terms stick out as much more strict in the rules.
1- Sellers who get many INAD's can lose their account. The platform reviews every case. If they deem you as a seller who has a habit of mis-describing items, you are gone.
2- Buyers who file CC chargebacks will be banned off the platform. They are expected to handle all disputes through whatnot's platform.
These are just two major differences and that's comparing to a VERY small platform. Larger platforms like the river or walmart, have much stiffer rules for sellers. I mean if you really want to know, maybe you should spend a little time researching. If you want views, it's not happening on smaller platforms, right? Isn't that what all the "pros" here keep saying? So if you want more traffic, you need to go bigger on platforms, not smaller and "obscure" like many here claim others are.
Fact is, most sellers don't bother to READ the TOS of the platform they sell on anyway. We see that here every single day. and from new people to sellers that have been here for decades. So I do not put much weight in most "opinions" here how other platform are no more restrictive to sell on then eBay is. No one is reading the TOS anyway to actually make an informed opinion. Besides, even on this platform it chooses to be more restrictive, offer more stringent rules, then they publish anyway. Those little lines about eBay following the rules as THEY deem fit, means they can move the ball at any time they want anyway.
How many times has a seller here listed something allowed, only to have it pulled down for no real reason? You think it's just as easy on other sites? Lots of sites won't let you list the same stuff as here. And if you do, you may get ONE warning, then poof you are gone the next time. Other platforms tend to take the buying experince more serious then eBay does.
08-04-2024 12:47 AM
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Bottom-Feeders/m-p/34604664#M2438204
https://www.statista.com/statistics/274255/market-share-of-the-leading-retailers-in-us-e-commerce/
08-04-2024 01:57 AM
I don't understand how you can talk about a platform reviewing all INAD cases and being a very small platform, and not see the connection there. Mindful controls are always easier to carry out with smaller numbers, just ask any teacher who's had classrooms of 15 and 30.
08-04-2024 06:23 AM
@gurlcat wrote:I don't understand how you can talk about a platform reviewing all INAD cases and being a very small platform, and not see the connection there. Mindful controls are always easier to carry out with smaller numbers, just ask any teacher who's had classrooms of 15 and 30.
I don't understand how you ask for me to provide some examples, I do, and you dismiss it?
It was not that long ago eBay actually provided CS and you could actually call them and discuss issues. You could get real world support, not that long ago. Now you can't, all in the name of shaving costs and raising profits.
One of the biggest complaints here is that buyers file INAD's (falsely). If this were actually the case of seller's failure or worst, trying to scam buyers, why wouldn't any platform want to clean up that garbage? If it is a case of buyers filing fake claims, why wouldn't the platform want to clean up that garbage?
The fact is, other platforms are doing something about it, and eBay NO LONGER is. Meaning they are MORE restrictive then eBay is. I have provided the example you asked for. Your counter was "yeah, BUT!" and that's not really adding anything to this discussion. No sense of me going in circles about this anymore. I like talking with you, but this is done for me. Just because they are "smaller" doesn't mean anything other than the money to pay people to run CS would be a much smaller pool/kitty of money. eBay makes BILLIONS. They can more easily afford CS people than can the smaller platforms who make (way) less money in fees. Instead eBay outsources "support" and introduces AI that gets it wrong 90% of the time. eBay is a clown show of a platform.
08-04-2024 08:15 AM
These are people who are going out of business.
They're liquidating and will be out of your way soon.
Keep an eye open for acquisition, I've gotten some good buys from sellers here.
I have one guy who makes a $100 batch of goodies for me a week, loads em up and I buy as a BIN.
I can't go and get my stuff for less than what he's shipping them to my front door, and he is selling way below his cost for cash flow only.
He used to be competition to me.
He isn't any more ... he's a wholesale supplier and won't be around much longer.
This is going on all over the place. Not only on-line.
THAT is the kind of bottom feeding I do.
My plan, and my advice? Hang on. When going through Hell -- DON'T STOP.
Just hang on and you'll find your competition gone.
08-04-2024 08:22 AM
Best post I have seen in a long time. Amen.
08-04-2024 08:42 AM
Don't forget the pre-requisite sob story. I got one recently that checked all the boxes and then some: older, cancer, lots of kids/grandkids, and...Amish. I kid you not.
08-04-2024 12:24 PM
After more than 20 years selling on eBay for both myself and at work I can say bottom feeders are not new but what is new is the follow up nasty messages after you refuse an offer.
Lately though even the bottom feeders are absent here, with 6 accounts and over 6,500 items listed at work we haven't had so much as a single view in over a month, all on items that were selling regularly until about March or so. It turned off like a switch.
I started browsing and listing on FB Marketplace about a year after it started, about 6 or 7 years ago, from the beginning it was pretty much as wasted effort. I gave up there over a year ago after not having sold a single thing the whole time. I listed cars, trucks, bikes, motors, appliances, or anything too big to ship. I got a few dozen offers at best and most were $20 offers on $500 items and such.
As a buyer there its no better, I've come to believe that most list there for sport and the items don't really exist. After all these years I've only had one person reply and actually sell something.
What I get lately is people that expect you to bring the item to meet them somewhere, even if that item is a farm tractor, or truck engine. I just had someone who wanted me to meet me at some police station so they could 'take a look at' the 6ft long chest freezer I had listed.
CL used to be the better platform but lately there's no buyers there either.
I listed and sold a lawn mower for $50 about 8 years ago. The buyer responds to an ad for another one I had listed, then shows up with the last one he bought that looked like it was left out in traffic for week, wanting to trade it in even up. He told me it quit running after only 7 years and he feels I should replace it. He was dead serious. It rates right up there with people who want to return items the next day after a yard sale because they changed their mind. I never knew that had become a thing but we gave up on yard sales here because of it. What's worse is that they try to return things you didn't even sell.
At work we've had buyers do the same thing, more than a few times we had buyers return items they bought from somewhere else. Items we don't even deal with. I had a someone who bought a vintage bicycle part return a 55lb box of new cookware complaining that it wasn't 'non stick'. The package showed up without warning, then they automatically refunded them $22 that they paid for the bicycle part. Then they started the string of nasty emails because they spent $180 for the cookware they returned.
I offered to ship her back the cookware if they'd pay the shipping up front but they refused saying I stole their stuff. They shipped it to the wrong seller for a return, not me, then filed for a refund on an item they kept but it was our fault somehow. It also wasn't a buyer with low feedback they had close to a thousand feed backs, all as a buyer, so they weren't new to buying. Looking back at that transaction several years later I see that buyer is no longer a registered user.
We broke up the set of cookware and sold it in pieces which took over a year to get rid of. None of it had ever been used. All high end stainless steel pots and pans.
While selling that stuff, the number of psycho messages and low ball offers were insane. We listed them for 1/2 of what they sold for on that companies website, and got offers of $10-$12 on items that retailed for $150+. It reinforced the reasoning why we don't generally deal with those items.
I cringe anytime we do have to list housewares and we do not sell anything wearable.
After having half a truck load of 'universal fit' baseball caps that we sold for $10 each plus shipping about 12 years ago and having almost every fifth one get returned because it didn't fit for some reason we just threw the rest in the shredder. None of us could figure out how a one size fits all hat could not fit so many people and they were name brand inventory from a major retailer that had gone bankrupt, so they weren't cheap hats and had retailed for $22 each at that store. We also had name brand sneakers, nearly all were very small or very large sizes, we had several buyers return sneakers saying they were the wrong size, they bought a size 14 but they wear a size 8. yet they got a refund. I had a guy return an 8x11" single page tri-folded sales brochure for a 1950's tackle manufacturer because there were folds in the paper. It sold for $4 with free shipping. We had sold over 40 others and they shown folded and in the original envelope in the ad.
From my experience, its the lower priced items that create the most problems, as well as the biggest discount items. If your selling a $300 item for $50 as clearance its almost a guarantee someone will return one for some senseless reason.
It forces my work to put a strict policy of no returns, no refunds. The last straw was someone who returned a used item after nearly two months saying they it wasn't what she expected. It was a new old stock steering wheel for a 40 year old tractor that we sold as being either new with shelf wear or possibly used. It was black, they're all black. In her complaint she said she ordered a red one. Her messages from the start made no sense, she was talking as if it were a piece of clothing not a steering wheel for a tractor. But she returned a steering wheel and got a forced refund.
The blocked list got a little longer. She had won it on an auction, it sold cheaper than any others had out of about a dozen or so of them, and she outbid 9 others for it.
These sort of issues didn't become a thing until smart phones became the norm. I think looking at a 3x5 picture of something or scrolling through lists of ads that way has a lot to do with it.
The buyer side of me never uses my phone for eBay, its just to small of a view, and my phone is huge. I need to see it on a full screen and read the ad and description, something many ads no longer have. In recent years, a good many of the issues we had at work were with buyers who did not have eBay accounts, they found the listing through a google search, got directed to ebay and just hit BIN never looking over the ad or knowing if its new or used. Those sorts of purchases have been problematic and quite a few seem to turn into returns filed for at the 29 day mark.
Best offer items that sold for lower offers also tend to be problematic so they have now been mostly eliminated on all items we sell at work.
We got either no replies to best offers that were accepted, or items got returned for no reason or simply buyer remorse.
08-04-2024 08:11 PM
I don't see how it is possible to not have a single view on a single one of 6500 items in over a month. Have you tried viewing items from 'this' account while signed into 'that' one, or just not signed in at all? If what you're saying is true there is something seriously wrong, like not just "slow business" wrong but something technical.