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mattd987 · ‎11-22-2021

I posted an ad for a threaded barrel for a handgun. I was truly unaware that a threaded barrel was not allowed and I was truly amazed by the reason. While eBay sells pistol parts like slides, barrels, trigger assemblies, etc. A threaded barrel does not constitute that a pistol is an assault weapon. That is ludicrous! A handgun is a weapon no matter what. By being able to put a suppressor onto a handgun still makes it a weapon, but might reduce the sound decibel a little. By no means, does a suppressor make a handgun an assault weapon. If that were the case, then a knife should be considered an assault weapon. Think about that. eBay is taking things too far. Please use common sense.

luckythewinner · ‎11-23-2021

A threaded barrel does not constitute that a pistol is an assault weapon.

If the pistol was semi-automatic, eBay's "Firearms and accessories" policy prohibits threaded barrels without any claim that the pistol is an "assault weapon":

"The following accessories for semiautomatic pistols are not allowed: Barrel shrouds, forward pistol grips, and threaded barrels"

By no means, does a suppressor make a handgun an assault weapon

eBay's "Firearms and accessories" policy prohibits suppressors without any claim that they make a handgun an "assault weapon".

"The following firearm accessories are not allowed: Frames, kits used to create a firearm, polymer 80 frame kits, flash suppressors, silencers"

mattd987 · ‎11-23-2021

I know what their policy states now. My point is that we can’t be ignorant about what constitutes something to be something that it is not. Ignorance is not an excuse

maxine*j · ‎11-23-2021

@mattd987 wrote:
... A threaded barrel does not constitute that a pistol is an assault weapon...

In California, which has a great many gun laws, many of them unique to the state, pistols with threaded barrels are considered assault weapons. eBay is based in California and so it must incorporate CA's laws into its policies.

Go here and scroll down to California for more and detailed information on CA's long, long list of banned weapons and parts and accessories for weapons, but I copied and pasted a bit below:

https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/banned-guns/

"Assault weapon... With pistols, any semi-automatic pistol that does NOT have a fixed magazine, but that does have one of the following is an assault weapon: threaded barrel, second handgrip, barrel shroud, or... "

So, there's your explanation, and you'll have to find someplace else to sell the threaded barrel. I strongly advise against relisting here in any way, shape, or form, because you are now on eBay's radar and you could risk being permanently banned.

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downunder-61 · ‎11-23-2021

@mattd987 wrote:
They are not illegal. My whole point I bringing this up here is that a regular barrel vs a threaded barrel, there is no difference. By being able to add a suppressor to a firearm DOES NOT make that firearm an assault weapon. That is why I think that eBay is taking things too far. We need to stop the ignorance. That is the point.

Okay, all you can do is appeal the decision I guess

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doug_5857 · ‎11-23-2021

Its eBay's game. If you dont like the rules you dont have to sell here.

maxine*j · ‎11-23-2021

@downunder-61 wrote:
@mattd987 wrote:
They are not illegal. My whole point I bringing this up here is that a regular barrel vs a threaded barrel, there is no difference. By being able to add a suppressor to a firearm DOES NOT make that firearm an assault weapon. That is why I think that eBay is taking things too far. We need to stop the ignorance. That is the point.
Okay, all you can do is appeal the decision I guess

The appeal will have to be to the State of California to change its gun laws, and then eBay can change its policies accordingly. I'd say the chances of getting a CA gun law changed are worse than my chances of building a spaceship out of the junk in the spare room and flying it to Mars and back.

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luckythewinner · ‎11-23-2021

@mattd987 wrote:
I know what their policy states now. My point is that we can’t be ignorant about what constitutes something to be something that it is not. Ignorance is not an excuse

eBay policy does not claim that threaded barrels are not allowed because they make a handgun into an assault weapon - it simply says they are not allowed.

eBay policy does not claim that suppressors are not allowed because they make a handgun into an assault weapon - it simply says they are not allowed.

So I agree - ignorance is not an excuse.

maxine*j · ‎11-23-2021

You're absolutely right, but the fact that OP keeps referring to it it makes me think it may have been part of the violation notice he received and/or a comment from a CSR. eBay policy has to meet CA law, because it is incorporated there, and in CA a threaded barrel on certain pistols does an assault weapon make.

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coffeebean832 · ‎11-23-2021

@maxine*j wrote:
In California, which has a great many gun laws, many of them unique to the state, pistols with threaded barrels are considered assault weapons.

Threaded barrels are also an issue in Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York.

That said- something doesn't have to be illegal for eBay to place restrictions or bans on selling it. OP's mistake was failing to read the policy page before listing and instead relying on what other sellers were doing. Those other sellers will likely see policy violations added to their accounts, too.

OP is taking an issue with the policy and basing their argument on eBay banning threaded barrels as an assault weapon accessory, but to quote luckythewinner's post above-

eBay's "Firearms and accessories" policy prohibits suppressors without any claim that they make a handgun an "assault weapon".

maxine*j · ‎11-23-2021

Yes, you are absolutely right. As I said in reply to someone else who seems troubled by my posts, I am simply trying to account for the fact that OP refers to the assault weapon issue.

I have no reason to assume he pulled that out of his hat, so I do assume that in come communication with eBay "assault weapon" was mentioned.

From there, I attempted to explain how that could be: That in CA law, a threaded barrel can make a pistol an assault weapon and eBay, incorporated in CA, must reflect CA law in its policies.

I am trying to help OP but evidently am just irritating people, so I'll toddle on out of the thread.

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mattd987 · ‎11-23-2021

I appreciate all of the comments. Yes, I own the fact that I did not review eBay’s updated policies on what is ok or not ok to list. That is my bad. There was a time when threaded barrels were sold on eBay with no issue. My whole issue is that they (ie, the state of CA and eBay) would classify a threaded barrel into a category that would be considered an assault weapon. I understand that there are other states that have limiting laws around this subject as well and that is sad.

we have a serious issue with mis-information in this country. Information that is controlled by the media most times. Educate yourselves on the truth about things.

coffeebean832 · ‎11-23-2021

@maxine*j wrote:
I am trying to help OP but evidently am just irritating people, so I'll toddle on out of the thread.

You're not irritating me. I was adding on to your post- not arguing with it.

richard1rst · ‎11-23-2021

@mattd987 wrote:
Suppressors are not illegal to own. Not at all. They fall under the NFA act and are authorized through the ATF. Some states may not allow them for individual use though, but they are legal to own. Please don’t spread thoughts like this without first understanding what is legal or not.

Well first of all what I saud was

I was under the impression that silencers were illegal. Therefore, a threaded barrel meant to accept a silencer would also seem to be illegal.

Well you're almost right. But since they are illegal in 11 states and eBay can not know in advance which state the buyer lives in then there is the prohibition on their sales:

https://www.mossyoak.com/our-obsession/blogs/hunting-gear/everything-to-know-about-firearm-suppresso...

specifically:

Alabama became the most recent state to legalize the use of firearm suppressors (or gun silencers) for hunting in October 2014. Despite common perceptions, suppressors are perfectly legal to own unless you live in the 11 states of California, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont. The other 39 states allow the legal ownership of suppressors and 30 states allow their use for hunting game animals.

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coolections · ‎11-23-2021

You are very confused. No one is saying a suppressor makes a firearm an automatic weapon. Stop trying to list it here. Ebay does not want that stuff listed on their site and I am grateful for it.