A year later - is ebay missing any of us who won't use managed payments?

[glasspackaging]

So after over 18 years on ebay - most as a TRS (when it meant something)  - I refused to opt into ebay managed payments, and left ebay .  

I wonder if ebay misses any of us? - when I look at the 6 figure sales I do on Amazon - I wonder if ebay misses the commission on those sales? I also wonder what the real reason was for trying to force many of us - who use other online venues, as well as our own sites,  into a seperate payment system we did not want - nor need?

I actually was just allowed to LIST a closeout of a lot worth $2000 for $850  (7 of them) ... without managed payments  - but not allowed to edit it - once I tried , I got the "must use managed payments to list or update" screen.

How does that make ANY common sense? 

[wrong66]

You might want to pull those listings off of eBay. If you sell one of them, eBay will likely hold your money until you sign up for MP.

[glasspackaging]

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@wrong66 wrote:

You might want to pull those listings off of eBay. If you sell one of them, eBay will likely hold your money until you sign up for MP.

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ebay approved the original listing with paypal - then said further listings or edits would require MP...   after 40 years in business I am not as stupid as many here make me out to be.

[glasspackaging]

you are right on one thing - I need to pull them down - as I just sold those 7 lots on my own website.

[releasethekraken_1]

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@glasspackaging wrote:

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@releasethekraken_1 wrote:

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@glasspackaging wrote:

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LOL - #4 - no I won't ... they either pay into paypal - or it does not get shipped.... period ... we use paypal as an alternate on our own website either way.

#5 - of course ....  

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Since that will never happen, you're just wasting your time and the buyer's time, and you're tying up the buyer's money.

Why would you do that? Why would you knowingly screw over a buyer who's done nothing to you? Says a lot about you.

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Really? .... since it shows paypal on the listing ...  I guess you know more about it than ebay. 

Your ignorant comment above shows much about you.

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It appears that eBay hasn't lost much.

[glasspackaging]

so sad to be so ignorant of the real world ... trust me - I would be paid .... and the buyer would get their merchandise.

Now I remember why these boards are just a joke -  so many "wanna be's" spouting off ignorance of the real world.

[my-cottage-books-and-antiques]

glasspackaging,

I'll address two things:

Does ebay miss you? I assume you mean, does ebay miss the revenue you generated for them? My guess: You want to come back and play by the rules (Managed Payments)? They'd welcome you---and your revenue---back. On the other hand, has ebay taken a significant hit from sellers departing because of MPs? My guess is: No. ebay is doing fine. (If I recall, they just had their best quarter ever.) So, in that sense, no, they aren't missing you, anymore than they miss someone who leaves simply because they no longer want to sell stuff, maybe they started an entirely new career, whatever. I'm certain ebay knew some sellers would refuse to use MPs and depart. eBay crunched numbers and decided they could afford to lose those sellers, and it appears they were right.

"Really? .... since it shows paypal on the listing ...  I guess you know more about it than ebay. 

Your ignorant comment above shows much about you...."

I'm not sure what you mean here, but just to be clear: As ebay has explained many times, and as those of us in Managed Payments understand, BUYERS can now use PayPal, GooglePay, ApplePay, credit cards etc to pay. However, whichever one they use, it still gets processed through Managed Payments in order for that money to get to the SELLER. So MPs doesn't prevent a buyer from using PayPal (many of my buyers still use it), but it isn't PayPal handing me the money....PayPal hands the money to MP, and MP hands it to me. If I'm not signed up for MP, I won't be seeing that money.

I think that's what people are trying to tell you about your listing. When the buyer pays with PayPal, PayPal forwards that money to ebay as the agent for the seller. If you have a merchant account for credit cards, and can accept credit cards, it's the same thing....if the buyer---on ebay--- pays with his credit card, the company doesn't forward that money to your merchant account, it forwards it to ebay as your Managed Payments agent. 

[glasspackaging]

and I assume we never see the customer name to send the invoice to? ... nothing any longer on the customer? ... really?

[my-cottage-books-and-antiques]

I'm in Managed Payments, so I don't know just what you would see if you make a sale while not in Managed Payments (I assume your deadline has passed?---I know some sellers aren't in because they're deadline hasn't arrived yet, so its business as usual for them, but from what you said in your first post, I gather you were supposed to be in by now)

I suppose you could put up some low dollar item you have around the house, and ask a friend to buy it using PayPal....and then see what happens?

[my-cottage-books-and-antiques]

I can tell you this, from the buyer perspective. I bought something on ebay recently, I paid with PayPal, my seller is in MP. My PayPal account shows my payment as going to "eBay" with a particular order number. Neither my seller's ebay ID nor his name shows up in my PayPal account. I can confirm which seller it was by matching the order Number to the Order Number I have in my records, and if PayPal needed to know the seller's identity for some reason, they could ask ebay to provide it based on the Order Number. But since ebay now acts as the agent for sellers, PayPal sends the payment to ebay, not to the seller.

[shag182]

NO.

eBay is just replacing / recruiting the US sellers who left with sellers from PRC.

As you may be aware, the listings are FLOODED with sellers from PRC using the SAME stock photos and generic listings. It's an EYE SORE!

[mrdutch1001]

eBay will not miss any of us...we are but a spit in their ocean...however for those of us that realize the satisfaction, less stressful, less hassles,etc of eBay because we are successfully selling elsewhere, well that is just peace of mind! ...life goes on, there is more to online selling than eBay and there really is life after eBay!

[glasspackaging]

seriously - all arguing and snide remarks aside  - I am no longer really interested in Ebay and for sure not in trying to track MP there - MP on Walmart - Amazon receivables and my own website funds. At a certain point it becomes not only a nusance - but just too time consuming (depending on your volumes) .

That listing was not "testing the waters" ..    it was that I can not easily create a seperate SKU on Amazon for pallet loads - and as it turned out - we sold that lot anyways .... 

As to low dollar items - we are a decent sized wholesale company - who also sells in ecommerce for the margins ....    Ebay was a nice source for us when we started -  but I no longer am interested in jumping through hoops and tracking $$ ..  it happens as you age.

As to "missing us" ....  with covid - nothing right now is comparable - but their core maketplace in the USA has been declining for years - and part of the reason is the loss of quality high volume sellers - who are also buyers .. it will happen with Amazon someday also as they forget how really "new" their venues are (think 20 years or less) ....and forget how they got where they are.  

I wish any ecommerce seller the best of luck and hope we all succeed ..  but never lose sight of the fact that any ecommerce site owns YOU ...  not the other way around - the only way you can control that is with your own sites - and it takes years to develop strength there ... I am 40 years in business 

[daffi31]

"No they don't miss you!" 

If that were true, what a arrogant company destined to die quickly. 

I wonder what I could have done different daily to turn even one more sale. While countless "employees" here arrogant the door is ever sling inward so why bother. MVP of eBay probably. Which is all thats wrong with eBay. 

[shag182]

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@downunder-61 wrote:

Pretty sure the interest they gain from holding MP sellers funds will make up for that loss LOL

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[veronicabooksandart]

Does Amazon transfer to themselves ownership of account receivable?
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Wouldn't that be fulfillment?