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98.5 % of postal workers get to keep their jobs.

Getting tired of all the chicken littles clucking about 10,000 workers being laid off - out of a work force of 663,000 workers. That is 1.5% of the work force. And for that little number you're clutching your pearls? Seriously?

 

Couple that with all the complaints about sales being down. Well if we are shipping less then they don't need as many workers in the first place.

 

 

 

 

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"I agree with that, but from what I'm reading many are getting form letters stating they weren't performing, without any review of what they were even doing or seeing their evaluations. Some had just been promoted."

 

Being promoted doesn't mean you are a good & valuable employee. It is very common in the working world to promote non performers, as you can't fire them. Promote a non performer, they then become someone else's problem, & hopefully their replacement is a good employee.

 

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
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Just wait it's only the beginning.

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I grasp the situation just fine, I also look at the bigger picture of Everything that is happening,& The sky IS Falling, you just have to wait & see all the results!, Take Cover.

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You keep saying that, but then never offer any supporting evidence.  I generally don't comment on my own situation, but I did over 1k more this February than I did last year... so my sky isn't falling either.  What makes you believe that yours is?  Do you actually have some insider intel that contradicts what at least half of the country is seeing? Where is your evidence?  Just saying something over and over doesn't make it so.

 

Even the egg prices have fallen.

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Interviews with some of the fired employees on TV.

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Opening a company or starting a company or changing inside the company...one always over hires.

Once things get on a regular system...those over-hired are terminated or let go.

Las Vegas is notorious for this...over-hiring to open a hotel-casino...and then terminating who they don't need or let go who they don't like.

There are no 'detailed evaluation of my job & job performance'...when operating a new company.

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And you know these fired employees were effectively doing their jobs (according to their supervisors) how? A random clip on CNN or MSNBC isn't exactly proof, regardless of who is getting fired.  We haven't seen a single performance evaluation (from their own bosses) on any of these supposedly essential, qualified, high functioning employees in any of these departments.  Again, do you have access to this information?  If so, please share. I would even be willing to entertain your own anecdotal "evidence" if you have some.

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@aeparts1 wrote:

I work for a small publicly traded company. $11 billion in revenue, around 20,000 "team members".  Slowly growing every year.

 

6 months ago, out of nowhere, 500+ team members were terminated. There are constant terminations, from the lowest drone to district managers & above. Perform or you are gone. Welcome to the real world.

 

Once a year I have to do a detailed evaluation of my job & job performance. Justify my employment basically. This is reviewed by my manager, who does a similar evaluation on me. Then, every three months, I get another, slightly less detailed review. I also have to set 2 or 3 goals for the coming year, & describe in detail how I will accomplish them. This is reviewed every three months. Welcome to the real world.

 

I don't have much sympathy for those government workers who cry because they are asked to describe three things they accomplished at work in the past week. Welcome to the real world.


@aeparts1 

 

FYI, in terms of employment protections, there is no comparison between private sector employees, on the one hand, and tenured USG employees, on the other.  

 

The latter are protected by a dense thicket of laws, adopted by Congress back around 1970.  You can review them here:  https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title5&edition=prelim

 

I was hired by the USG in the late 1970s and was a beneficiary of these laws, with which I am generally familiar.

 

The reason tenured USG civil servants are protected by Congressionally-mandated laws is because once upon a time, these employees were actually valued by our elected leadership.   Further evidence was the old defined-benefit retirement system, instituted in the 1920s (and discontinued in the mid-1980s) that millions of us received.   

 

The reason that USG employees were valued was because these individuals at one time did work that was unique and specialized.   (Obviously many still do, but computers and the proliferation of IT have changed the nature of much of the administrative work that was once routinely performed for the USG by human beings.)

 

US taxpayers might have spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single such person to obtain an ultra-sensitive security clearance, for example, or to be trained at a prestigious university or weapons research center (Los Alamos) to do very unusual agricultural, nuclear or other scientific research.  Back in the old days, for exceptional performance, we would actually receive medals that were made of real silver.  

 

As for evaluations: you will be interested to know that, with few exceptions (clandestine operatives and members of the SEALS and Army Rangers, for example), USG employees also are required to justify their existence (a) annually, like you, and (b) have consultations with their office management, also every three or six months, like you.  They have to do the same sort of goal setting as you do.  

 

I do not know what sort of goals you have to set for yourself, but there are some occupations in the USG where goals are extremely ambiguous -- indeed, impossible to measure because they do not lend themselves to metrics.   (One of mine was to "work closely with policymakers and elected leadership to ensure the primacy of US foreign policy objectives.")   This is why most tenured national security positions in the USG thus far have been exempt from the idiotic mass dismissals that the administration is now being ordered to reverse. 

 

As for the Musk request for 3 or 5 bullet points: that was nothing more than gratuitous attempt at intimidation which was not only illegal (such requests can only come from within individual cabinet agencies, NOT from the Office of Personnel Management)  but which ultimately was rejected by CIA, FBI, State Department, DHS and a few other cabinet agencies on the grounds that it posed a security risk.   Eventually the request was discarded and Musk was told to cease and desist.

 

In sum, the real world that you know is, for the most part, quite different from the real world that USG employees inhabit.  And there are good reasons that that is the case.  

 

It is going to be extremely difficult for the administration to impose a private-sector structure on the federal workforce.  

 

The reason is simple: the USG exists in large part to deliver services to the American people.  If those services cease, members of Congress -- who ultimately are in charge of amending the laws that I referenced above -- stand a good chance of losing THEIR jobs.  And we all know that THAT will never, ever be allowed to happen.

 

As for Elmo Musk... he is only now finding that out.

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It's not just my sky!, Just look at all the layoffs causing massive unemployment, The tariffs wait & see the results of those, The complete Destruction of our Constitution, Half the country, where do you get that?, More & More are starting to protest everything that is happening, & really the price of eggs, Wow they came down about a $1 a dozen, Meanwhile everything else slowly creeping up, Believe what you want, there is NO changing certain minds!

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Again, if you're gonna say this stuff, let's see the data.  I see a whole lotta doom and gloom, with zip to back it up.  Just a couple weeks ago, everyone was going bananas about the price of eggs (while simultaneously ignoring how the increase came about).  Now that the prices have come down, you're complaining it's not enough.  Sorry, but a dollar on a 4-6 dollar item is significant.  

 

I'm more than happy to change my mind, when I have proof.  Your alarmist rhetoric is not proof of anything other than your temperament.  If you want to change my mind, you'll have to do better than that.  I am one hundred and ten percent open to revising my positions, but not simply because you're unhappy.

 

FWIW, I voted democrat for almost three decades (Hillary and her Russia Russia Russia nonsense marked the beginning of the end for me).  I'm currently registered as an independent so I'm exactly the kind of person you could get back if only you could give me a legitimate reason.  I am a practical person.  I want well thought out justifications for positions, not cuckoobird rants.

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@tarotfindsandmore wrote:

And you know these fired employees were effectively doing their jobs (according to their supervisors) how? A random clip on CNN or MSNBC isn't exactly proof, regardless of who is getting fired.  We haven't seen a single performance evaluation (from their own bosses) on any of these supposedly essential, qualified, high functioning employees in any of these departments.  Again, do you have access to this information?  If so, please share. I would even be willing to entertain your own anecdotal "evidence" if you have some.


I guess I fell for your trap knowing full well you would discount anything others have to say that questions what is going on.   I could repeat your same questions as to what proof you have all those employees weren't performing up to par--what evaluations have you personally seen?  I find it rather hard to believe all those employees were given much of an individual evaluation to know which ones were deserving of firing given the speed so many were let go, but of course, I have no proof but I do have common sense.

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Trap? Asking for proof is a trap? I don't have to prove anything, because I'm not claiming anyone was unjustifiably fired.  You did.  I have no idea why the people who were chosen for termination were chosen so I don't speculate on those people.  On the other hand, I have provided several examples that I've personally witnessed of workers no longer working in the USPS. I could give you even more from my time as a public librarian (which is also a government job). Granted, that evidence is anecdotal, but you'll recall that I stated that I would be more than willing to consider your own anecdotal evidence if you have some. 

 

Common sense should be telling you that claims made by a media (BOTH left and right) with a lengthy and colorful history of outright lying to the American public should probably treated with a bit more skepticism.

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We are human beings we are not just a stat number.

 

having empathy also doesnt mean someone is woke. 

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@fern*wood wrote:

@tarotfindsandmore wrote:

 

People should not be allowed to stay in jobs where their performance is consistently subpar, regardless of political affiliation. 

 

 


I agree with that, but from what I'm reading many are getting form letters stating they weren't performing, without any review of what they were even doing or seeing their evaluations.  Some had  just been promoted.  I'm talking about government employees elsewhere where firings have already happened and not USPS employees.


@fern*wood 

 

The workers to whom you refer above are almost universally federal employees who are still in a "probationary" status (meaning they have been on the federal payroll for less than one or two years, depending on agency and / or position).

 

A federal judge in California has just today issued a ruling on these individuals who, like tenured federal workers, are protected by the US Code.

 

Keep in mind that this entire "chainsaw" exercise is being done for the sole purpose of seeing just how far the executive branch can go in exercising control over the federal workforce.  The aim is to force SCOTUS to rule on the matter.  

 

Same idea applies to the weekend delivery to El Salvador of some 200 Venezuelan gang members.  The evidence suggests that the administration willfully violated a court order to cease and desist.   The White House says that in the conduct of foreign policy, it does not have to bow down to a court ruling.  Again, this is mostly theatrics to force the issue to SCOTUS.

 

Congress has a very powerful interest in ensuring that reductions in the USG workforce are carried out in a systematic, thoughtful manner.  Otherwise USG services that their constituents depend on could be imperiled, and there will be political blowback for that.

 

As for SCOTUS -- I highly recommend everyone read the essay penned by John Roberts at the end of 2024, in which he asserted the primacy of the courts in this country.   I personally do not believe that he will allow the temporary occupant of the White House to undermine the rule of law in this country.  In fact, just today, Chief Justice Roberts today told Trump to stick it where the sun don't shine.   

 

(FYI, tenured USPS employees, as well as tenured federal employees in all national security related agencies, are exempt from these nihilistic firings to which I referred in red above.)

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The reason the price of eggs came down is (1) people stopped buying them so demand dropped, and (2) easing of the bird flu.

 

But it was never really about the price of eggs.


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