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1099K Limit

I know this subject had been done to death. But the 600 dollar  limit for 1099s  that will go into effect next year is getting close.  I am a hobbyist.  I don't make a profit on most of my transactions.  I also don't want my hobby to complicate my already complicated income taxes.  I also don't want to pay for tax preparation because I'll need to file schedules to write off expenses related to something I'm doing for fun. Finally,   has anybody thought that 600 dollars is less than 12 dollars a week in sales.  12 dollars a week in sales isn't a business.  It isnt even a lemonade stand!  I'm looking for informed opinion.  Is the 600 dollar limit going to be law in 2025 or will there be another delay, or a more reassonible limit put in place?  This has been going round and round since I began Ebaying in 1999.  This is the closest its come to actually being implemented.  Fwiw.  I'm almost at 5k in sales for this year.  I reckon I'll stop trading until next year soon.  Finally.  It's laughable that me opening a box of baseball cards, finding a card I already have, and selling it at a huge loss  triggers a report to the IRS.

 

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In your original post you state:  "I don't make a profit on most of my transactions. . . .  I also don't want to pay for tax preparation because I'll need to file schedules to write off expenses related to something I'm doing for fun."

In general, only profits are subject to income tax.   
In general, if you don't make a lot in profits, you won't have to pay a lot in income taxes.  

You may find that paying for tax preparation is the best way to make sure your tax return forms are accurate.  

As for your position that $600.00 is a ridiculous amount, you are not alone.    

 

That dollar amount was supposed to go into effect for calendar year 2022.  The IRS, however, issued a notice on December 23, 2022, only eight days  before the end of the year, saying essentially there were too many details to be ironed out and they would not be implementing the $600 threshold for 2022.  The 1099K threshold for 2022 remained at $20,000 and 200 transactions. 

The following year, 2023, the IRS published a very similar notice late in November.  

At eBay Open 2024 last week, one of the speakers mentioned that eBay is still in communication with the IRS trying to work out implementation details for that very low threshold.  I imagine that many other internet commerce platforms who are also 1099K reporting entities (like Poshmark, Etsy, Reverb, etc., etc.) are also giving their input to the IRS.  

So we're all waiting for the final word from the IRS -- again.  

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Thank you, Monroe.  That was a thoughtful, and informative reply.  

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@cwilk wrote:

That is a helpful reply.  Still.  The IRS sets a limit to forced reporting above which they think they can make a little money.  Apparently they think that number is 600 bucks. ....  The IRS should not be informed if I sell 600 dollars worth of anything.  It's not what the IRS was created to do. ....


Don't blame the IRS for that $600 threshold; that was set by our legislators.  

 

The IRS has been dawdling and delaying the implementation of the $600 threshold for a couple of years and apparently will try to hold off again for 2024 (seeking public comments on the proposed compromise $5K threshold to help back up their case). Remember, the $600 threshold is a burden not only for eBay reporting and for sellers, but also for the IRS who would have to process that tidal wave of new tax reports.

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The number of 1099k threads over the years has really surprised me.  I have to wonder the true number of ebay sellers that don't or never reported their sales to the IRS.   It must have been huge.  Funny thing about it for me, though, are the ones that continued to think if they didn't receive a 1099k, they didn't need to report.    I guess that is why the 1099k outrage continues to this day. 

 

I've said it many times about my friend that was audited and owed back taxes/penalties for not reporting ebay sales back around 2008.  No 1099k was involved, because ebay didn't send them out for anyone back then.   So you don't need to get one to need to report.

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@cwilk wrote:... I buy a lottery ticket for 10 bucks and win 100 dollars.  ... Every once in a while you hit a good one.  10000 winner.  In the state I live in the forced reporting occurs at 600 times your bet.   Do I claim the 9990?  Yes, I have no choice.   And I gladly pay those taxes.  ...

Don't overlook your deductions! You'd pay taxes on 9990 only if you only purchased just that one lottery ticket all year.  All of your other lottery ticket purchases are a deductible expense.  If you purchased a $10 ticket every week, you'd have $520 to deduct off of that 10K, not just $10. And if your friends and relations saved up all of their losing tickets for you all year, you could deduct those, too, after putting them in your "In case I'm audited" shoe box.  Just sayin.

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"Funny thing about it for me, though, are the ones that continued to think if they didn't receive a 1099k, they didn't need to report."

Which is precisely the reason the threshold for issuance of 1099Ks was lowered:
The theory that when more people receive 1099Ks, more people will report their income on their tax return forms,
And more income tax money will flow into the United States Treasury.  

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@monroe67 wrote: ... The theory that when more people receive 1099Ks, more people will report their income on their tax return forms,

And more income tax money will flow into the United States Treasury.  


The feds apparently noticed the results in states that independently lowered the threshold.  Vermont and Massachusetts set theirs at $600 back in 2018.

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The reporting threshold for this year is $5,000, next year its supposed to be back to $600 again. You can thank the democrats for this monstrosity of a $600 threshold. The dems are just attacking poor people selling old items around their homes, its pathetic.

 

Ukraine gets $60 billion, the poorest of Americans get threatened by the IRS because they sold old baby clothes, that they dont owe any taxes on to begin with.

 

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You need to to let got of the idea that someone who did $600 in sales somehow owes taxes. The majority of people who sell on this platform are selling old items from around their homes, and they're typically selling at a loss. They don;t owe any taxes to begin with, and theres no logic in forcing them to have to fill out a bunch of additional tax forms for nothing.

 

This $600 threshold crap is nothing short of demonic.

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@gamersbaystore wrote:

The reporting threshold for this year is $5,000 ....

 


No, the $5K threshold has been proposed but not confirmed by IRS.  Unless you have an announcement from the IRS that's more recent than the one from last November, linked above.

 

If you sold stuff on eBay for $600, the IRS has no way of knowing that was old baby clothes, and not an item that you grabbed for $5 at the Goodwill and sold for a 1000% markup. If you sold items at a loss, you take a few minutes to fill out a form to send in with your 1040, and you don't owe any income tax on it.

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You need to to let got of the idea that someone who did $600 in sales somehow owes taxes.


You don't know till you enter the numbers into your return.  Heck, you might even get some money back.  Just because the rich get by without paying their taxes sure doesn't mean we can.  Some even brag it is smart not to pay, but they have better lawyers and the Supreme Court and we sure don't. 

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Thanks for the kind words.  I got a ways to go to the end, thankfully.  It's a real drag losing the ability to drive at 56.  I had a stroke while I had covid and lost a lot of my vision.  I am very excited to be doing something fun, and useful on Ebay again.  It has been years recovering to get to this point  and it gets a little better every day.  I'm sure Im worrying over nothing with this 1099K topic, but in my old life the reporting limit was 20 grand, and when I woke up from my long slumber it had been reduced to 600 bucks.  If the government needs 20% of my coin, stamp, and baseball card collections that desperately, they can have it.  By the way.  Final value fees are way up too.  As is postage.

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@cwilk wrote:

The number of sales I have is the total since 1999.  25 years.  100 sales per year.  2 sales per week.  I understand the IRS wants a piece of every penny that goes into, or comes out of my pocket.  What I could do with all the profit I ever made on eBay.  Feed a puppy.  Or a kitten.  I am at the end of my life now.  I am disposing of the accumulations of a lifetime to make sure that burden is not left to my family.  That does not make me a small business.  Except in the eyes of the IRS.  As for forced reporting.  The 600 dollar a year amount is ridiculous.  13 dollars in sales week is not a business.  I don't know where they came up with this number.  I will comply.  I will pay taxes on every penny I earn.  And I will probably pay more because writing off expenses against my sales will probably be something a little too complicated for me.  And I'm not going to hire a CPA because I sold $4600 worth of collectibles on Ebay.


 

$600 is ridiculous, I think they should be reporting all income a seller makes.

Reporting your expenses isn't hard, just add them all up and put the amount on the form.

Have a great day.
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@gamersbaystore wrote:

The reporting threshold for this year is $5,000, next year its supposed to be back to $600 again.

 


 

I know there's been talk about it, but haven't heard anything final on it yet.

 

 

 

 

Have a great day.
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@cwilk wrote:

Thanks for the kind words.  I got a ways to go to the end, thankfully.  It's a real drag losing the ability to drive at 56.  I had a stroke while I had covid and lost a lot of my vision.  I am very excited to be doing something fun, and useful on Ebay again.  It has been years recovering to get to this point  and it gets a little better every day.  I'm sure Im worrying over nothing with this 1099K topic, but in my old life the reporting limit was 20 grand, and when I woke up from my long slumber it had been reduced to 600 bucks.  If the government needs 20% of my coin, stamp, and baseball card collections that desperately, they can have it.  By the way.  Final value fees are way up too.  As is postage.


 

No,that's just when Ebay and other places had to report the income.

It had nothing to do with sellers reporting their income.

 

The FVF has not gone up that much, in most categories.

Shipping, yes, it's gone up and I think it'll continue to rise.

Have a great day.
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