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Trouble with eBays Listing Editor causing HTML and CSS issues

I have been battling this issue for quite awhile.  I recently decided to try using Blue Griffon HTML editor to clean the HTML code that eBays listing tool has flubbed up over time and make sure it was as close to correct according to HTML standards as i can with my knowledge.  I have contacted eBay and they are looking into it, but like many other people with similar problems, i really do not expect them to fix it or come up with a fix.

 

I am trying to copy the HTML from my 3rd party editor into the HTML tab of the listing and then without looking at the standard preview, submit the changes to preserve the proper HTML to make it look as it should.  It should work down to 320px width decently.

 

The other day, i created a "test" listing so i could try things without messing up my actual listings.  I chose one of my listings, then "sell similar" and then copy/pasted the html into the html box, listed it and somehow it worked, although there were a few things i needed to change to work below 480px width properly.  So today i made those changes, clicked on "revise listing" and am pretty sure i am using the same code except with minor internal changes for max-width on the video/images and for some reason it is not working now.  It is stripping my CSS and causing issues.

 

If you compare the code below just opened in a browser to the ebay listing #223327504714 you should be able to see what i am talking about.

 

Please help if anyone has any ideas!

 

I will have to break the HTML into a couple posts to stay within allowed 20,000 character posts.

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@shipscript I really have appreciated your help so far.  I have made me a list of the important notes from our discussion and thought i had it figured out.  I got it to list properly before on the test listing, but im not sure what i am doing wrong now.....  I cant get it to work again!!

 

I have tried using the First Left Align filter only, tried using just the other 2, and tried using all 3....  Also tried using my code from Blue Griffon after making minor changes as well as the code from my website link below (view source and copy).  I also set my wrap function on my HTML editor to not wrap anything under 100,000 characters.....just in case.

 

It shows up fine in the ISDN preview, but when listed on ebay, the HR style is not applied as well as the centering of the Header at the top and other things, but those are easy to notice.

 

Original Code from my website https://wolfesmetalfabrication.com/ebay223327504714propercodetest.html

 

Ebay Test listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/223327504714

(may be changing as i will still be trying to figure it out myself)

 

Here are my notes from you...

 

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Paste the HTML from Blue Griffon when ready into the following tools to prepare for ebay.

________________________________

 

Here is the online code stripper. (use this? instead of the following 2?)

http://www.isdntek.com/listingtools/compress.htm

The button called "Left Align" should do what you need.

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http://www.isdntek.com/ebaytools/ActiveContentSandbox.htm?itm=223327504714&act=true&lnk=true&eby=tru...

1st Filter Input

Starts with
/(([\r\n]+)(\s|\t| | )+)/

Replace with
<<+2>>

Starts with
/((\t| | |&nbsp;)+)/

Replace with
"input is blank / nothing"

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http://www.isdntek.com/ebaytools/ActiveContentSandbox.htm?itm=223327504714&filter=%252F(%25C2%25A0%2...

2nd Filter Input

Starts with
/( +)/

Replace with
"input is blank / nothing"

________________________________

 

Every time i try to revise the listing with completely fresh copy and pasted HTML code without viewing the standard editor before hitting "revise" i can not for the life of me get it to work now.

 

Am i doing something wrong, or what did i miss?

 

Brian

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I have recently tried putting all the css on one line and ONLY using the left align tool, and it seems to be helping, but something is off with the spacing yet.  Maybe i need to use another filter yet.  Also, maybe i need to have an external stylesheet?? not sure if that would help to make it easier to read and edit and easier for eBay to not mess it up.

 

Still not sure why it worked before and its still being difficult now.

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I found out why it was spacing the lines goofy.  It was because there were spaces after the final tags of the line being turned into NBSP...but i thought the one filter took care of that???

 

I am now going to try to research and learn the regular exp. stuff and see what i can fix or messup worse. 😛

 

Brian

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It is not looking good for me understanding Regex, let alone making it do what i want and only what i want....

 

I thought one of your filters already removed trailing whitespaces, but i am either wrong or it is not working...

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Regex is complex and takes time to learn because it is so weird.

 

The Sandbox filters were designed to repair the hard spaces already coded into your listing on eBay. The second filter that removed the trailing hardspaces was a onetime use based on what was left over from the first filter in that one listing.  I could try to create a single filter, but I'd need to see the first instance of the code on eBay so I can find all the issues in one pass.  The filter would basically need to separate your stylesheet from your other code and do something different there, like removing trailing spaces.

 

The new Compression tool will convert hard spaces to soft, but will not remove a final single space at the end of a line because the user might actually want that space there. I often see problems in online text when the publishing stage removes all linebreaks so that the lines are strung together on a single line.

 

I see that problem a lot.Lines look like this.No gaps between sentences.

 

However, the final space within a stylesheet is another matter, as that space would not be missed.

 

Rather than fight the battle between Blue Griffon + Chrome + eBay, you may want to use your website to host your stylesheet. I assume the stylesheet will remain static.

 

You can then use the online Compressor to left align your HTML and remove excess internal spaces and convert hard spaces to soft spaces PRIOR to posting the code on eBay.

 

Alternatively, you can try pushing your entire template, with stylesheet, through the compressor and use "Condense" to make it one long line to see what happens.  Or just highlight the stylesheet and "Condense" that part of the code.

 

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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What i did for the current status of the below listing was....

Actual Listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/221123857032

Test Listing we were using http://www.ebay.com/itm/223327504714

 

I changed the CSS layout at the top to all be in one line, instead of split apart for easier reading and editing, then copied the HTML from Blue Griffon (with wrap set to 100,000 so it would not wrap) into your Left Align Tool and then the only problem i believe i had left was that after any end tag </***> at the end of a line there was a space that created like a line break or linespacing problem, so i just manually removed those after trying to learn the Regex and failing.

 

I was trying to write a Regex code that would check for a space at the end of a line after a >, or something similar, but i failed at that.

 

But to simplify the problems, i think i either need to have the CSS on one line, or make an external stylesheet, which i actually have not done yet, but think i could get it done easily with google search.

 

I will insert the code here if it will work after using only your left align (and single line css) to see if you can help with the end of the line spaces.  It may be in a couple parts if it is too long.

 

Brian

 

 

 

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<br style="display:none"> 
<!--Hard Element Added for ebay to preserve CSS Styles below--> 
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0"> 
<style> .ytvideo * { box-sizing:border-box; } .ytvideo { margin:.5em auto 40px auto; max-width:480px; font-family:arial; text-align:center; position:relative; min-height:120px; background-color:#555; } .ytvideo p { position:absolute; margin:0; color:white; background-color:rgba(0,0,0,.5); } .ytvideo .yt_hd { font-size:16px; width:100%; height:28px; line-height:28px; text-align:left; top:0; left:0; padding-left:10px; overflow:hidden; } .ytvideo .yt_ft { font-size:12px; width:100%; bottom:0; left:0; } .ytvideo img { display:block; max-width:100%; border:0; } .ytvideo a:after { content:"\A0\25BA"; position:absolute; width:60px; height:50px; left:0; top:0; right:0; bottom:0; margin:auto; border:0; border-radius:10px; color:white; background:rgba(0,0,0,.6); font-size:24px; line-height:50px; cursor:pointer; } .ytvideo a:hover:after { background:#CC181E; } .ytvideo .yt_inp { position:absolute; top:100%; left:0; width:100%; text-align:center; padding:.5em .2em; xfont-size:18px; border:0; color:white; background: rgba(0,0,0,.7); } @media(max-device-width:960px){ .ytvideo { margin-bottom:60px; } .ytvideo .yt_inp { padding:1em .2em; } } img { max-width:100%; height:auto; } h1 { font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 36pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center; } h2 { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 24pt; font-weight: bold; } h3 { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 18pt; font-weight: bold; } h4 { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; font-weight: bold; } p { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; } #p12 { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; } ul { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; } ol { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; } body { font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; } hr.thick { border: 1px solid black; border-radius: 5px; height: 15px; background-image: linear-gradient(to right, red, black, red); box-shadow: 0 10px 5px -5px rgba(0,0,0,0.7); /* offset-x | offset-y | blur-radius | spread-radius | color */ width: 95%; margin-top: 25px; margin-bottom: 30px; } </style> 
<div style="text-align: center; padding-left: 20px;"> <img src="https://www.wolfesmetalfabrication.com/images/Wolfes_Metal_Fabrication_No_Back.gif" alt="Wolfes Metal Fabrication" style="width:800px; height:auto;"> </div> 
<h1 style="margin-top: -15px;">"Easy Shrink"™ Shrinking Discs</h1> 
<h2 style="color: red; text-align: center;">This is our Combined Listing!</h2> 
<h2 style="color: red; text-align: center;">It includes all our 3", 4 1/2" (Flat and Curved) &amp; 9" Shrinking Disc Kit Options all in one place!</h2> 
<div> 
<p style="font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"> Select the desired MPN (manufacturer part number) from the drop down list to update the price and picture of contents included.<br> 
Read the description for an entire list of what is included in the different packages.</p> 
<p style="color:red; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"> Everything in all the pictures is NOT included in every kit!</p> 
<p style="font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"> When selecting a MPN, the main picture will update to show you what is included.<br> 
You are still able to view and click on the other pictures, but only what is shown in the initial updated picture is included!</p> 
</div> 
<hr class="thick"> 
<div style="color:red; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;">Because this listing has a lot of info, it is divided into the following sections to help you find the info you need. </div> 
<br> 
<div style="padding-left: 5%; padding-right: 5%; text-align: center;"> <span style="display: inline-block; text-align: left;"> <b>1. Purchasing &amp; Listing Info - </b>(this section and above) <b>MUST READ!</b><br> 
<br> 
<b>2. Quick Overview</b><br> 
<br> 
<b>3. "Explanation of Contents" - </b>(Includes Fitment Info and RPM Requirements) <b>MUST READ!</b><br> 
Please double check to make sure you are getting what you want and need <br> 
<br> 
<b>4. Video Demonstrations</b><br> 
<br> 
<b>5. "Frequently Asked Questions" - </b>Please review <b>BEFORE</b> contacting us!<br> 
Your question has likely been asked before, like <b>"Which size should i order?"</b><br> 
If something is still unclear, please contact us for clarification, <b>BEFORE</b> ordering!<br> 
<br> 
<b>6. Customer Feedback - </b>Comments from our Customers</span></div> 
<hr class="thick"> 
<h2 style="text-align: center;">2. Quick Overview</h2> 
<h3 style="text-align: center;">A Few Satisfied Customer's Comments</h3> 
<p style="font-weight: bold; line-height: 200%; text-align: center;"> "The shrinking disc works fantastic, even for an amateur!!"<br> 
"Been doing paint and body 25 years. A definite must have for fabricators!!!"<br> 
"Amazing, I have been using a torch for 35 years, this is the way to go"<br> 
"Thanks 4 the AWESOME tool! It's the most-used tool in our shop! You're the best!"</p> 
<div style="padding-left: 5%; padding-right: 5%; text-align: center;"> <span style="display: inline-block; text-align: left;"> 
<ul> 
<li>Our "Easy Shrink"™ discs are made using a Special High Grade Stainless Alloy &amp; Manufacturing Process, that creates a long lasting, low galling, crack resistant, safer and higher performance disc compared to older designs.</li> 
<li>Our Shrinking Disc Kits include everything you need in convenient trouble free packages!</li> 
<li>Works on steel, stainless, aluminum, brass</li> 
<li>Creates Heat through Friction to allow shrinking of the sheetmetal</li> 
<li>Works with compressed air or water cooling (spray bottle or rag)</li> 
<li>Is good for shrinking, smoothing, blending and relieving surface tension created from damage</li> 
</ul> 
</span> </div> 
<div style="font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"> <u>We are the inventor of the 1st and Original 3" and 4 1/2" shrinking discs, and were the <span style="color: red">FIRST</span> to offer it!</u></div> 
<h3 style="text-align: center;">Better than Others <span style="color: red"><u><em>Guaranteed!</em></u></span></h3> 
<div style="font-weight: bold; line-height: 200%; text-align: center;"><span style="font-style: italic;">If your not satisfied and/or you find the competitors better, send it back and I will give you a refund! No one else offers this!</span> 
<hr style="width: 95%;"> <span style="font-style: italic; color: red;">We highly recommend that you compare our listings, feedback &amp; sales history with others, before purchasing similar products from other sellers.</span><br> 
Our Great Customer Service, Return Policy, Experience and Improvements to our tools, are things to consider when thinking about purchasing tools such as these.<br> 
Wolfes Metal Fabrication is the inventor/innovator of the "Easy Shrink"™ Shrinking Discs, and a real Insured and registered LLC Business, what about them?</div> 
<br> 
<hr class="thick"> 
<h2>3. Explanation of Options &amp; Contents</h2> 
<div style="padding-left: 5%; padding-right: 5%; text-align: center;"> <span style="display: inline-block; text-align: left;"> 
<ul> 
<li><b>Adjustable Pin Wrench</b> - Used to help tighten and loosen the nuts of the 4 1/2" and 9" discs. (this is an Optional Item!)</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD3 </b>- 3" Replacement Disc for the SD3Kit, for right angle die grinders or similar, has a 3/8" hole &amp; is a direct replacement for the disc in our SD3Kit (Mandrel Not Included)</li> 
<br> 
<li><span style="color: red"><b>SD3Kit </b></span>- Fits standard right angle die grinders that accept 1/4" shank mandrels. Discs have 3/8" holes. Contents - SD3 Disc, 1/4" Shank x 3/8" Mandrel &amp; Instruction Manual</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD458 </b>- 4 1/2" Disc, Least Common Option, ONLY for some older 4" grinders that require a 5/8" hole (Disc Only), Makita Part #743009-6 pad, #224501-6 Nut may work if pad is needed</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD478 </b>- 4 1/2" Replacement Disc for the SD4Kit, Fits 4 1/2" grinders, has a 7/8" hole &amp; is a direct replacement for the disc in our SD4kit. (backing pad required)</li> 
<br> 
<li><span style="color: red"><b>SD4Kit </b></span>- Fits standard 4 1/2" grinders that have 5/8" - 11 spindle thread &amp; use discs with 7/8" holes. Contents - SD478 Disc, Backing Pad, Nut, Spacer &amp; Instruction Manual (Need a different thread size? We can swap it out)</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD478C </b>- 4 1/2" Replacement Disc for the SD4CKit that has a Curved face for concave or reverse curved panels. Fits 4 1/2" grinders, has a 7/8" hole &amp; is a direct replacement for the disc in our SD4CKit. (backing pad required &amp; is different than the SD4Kit pad)</li> 
<br> 
<li><span style="color: red"><b>SD4CKit </b></span>- Has a Curved face for concave or reverse curved panels. Fits standard 4 1/2" grinders that have 5/8" - 11 spindle thread &amp; use discs with 7/8" holes. Contents - SD478C Disc, Backing Pad, Nut, Spacer &amp; Instruction Manual (Need a different thread size? We can swap it out)</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD49CP Combo Pack</b>- 4 1/2" and 9" Replacement Discs for the SD4Kit and SD9Kit</li> 
<br> 
<li><b>SD9 </b>- 9" Disc, Fits Standard 7" or 9" sander/grinder/polishers &amp; is a direct replacement for the 9" disc in our SD9kit. (backing pad recommended)</li> 
<br> 
<li><span style="color: red"><b>SD9Kit </b></span>- Fits standard 7" or 9" sander/grinder/polishers with a 5/8" - 11 threaded spindle. Contents - SD9 Disc, Backing Pad, Nut, Spacer &amp; Instruction Manual</li> 
</ul> 
<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-weight: bold;">Discounted Package Deals</span><br> 
<b>Our Popular "Easy Shrink"™ Shrinking Disc Kits put together in money saving discounted packages!</b></div> 
<br> 
<ul> 
<li><b>DLX49 Basic</b> - Includes the SD4Kit &amp; SD9Kit <b>(Used to be called our Deluxe or DLXKit)<br> 
<span style="color: red">Basic Starter Kit that will let you tackle many common jobs</span></b></li> 
<br> 
<li><b>DLX349 Advanced</b> - Includes the SD3Kit, SD4Kit &amp; SD9Kit <br> 
<span style="color: red"><b>Advanced Kit that adds the ability to tackle tight area &amp; hood/trunklid sandblasting warpage repairs between &amp; slightly under the backside bracing (shrink the blasted and stretched top skin from the backside)</b></span></li> 
<br> 
<li><b>DLX3494C Expert</b> - Includes the SD3Kit, SD4Kit, SD9Kit &amp; the Curved SD4CKit <br> 
<span style="color: red"><b>One step above our Advanced Kit that adds the ability to repair concave or reverse curved areas. Helps you on your way to becoming an Expert Metalman!</b></span></li> 
<br> 
<li><b>DLX3494C +2 Metal Master</b> - Includes the SD3Kit, SD4Kit, SD9Kit &amp; the Curved SD4CKit as well as 2 additional discs for each kit<br> 
<span style="color: red"><b>Our largest, most complete kit with the greatest discount &amp; best value, used by true Metal Masters! Great for multiple material types, spares or large shops!</b></span></li> 
</ul> 
<p>A Detailed Instruction Manual is Included with all orders. It includes information on how the heat shrinking process works, how to use the disc &amp; important information about achieving a proper mounting. It is highly recommended to read the manual before using the disc for safety, knowledge, and to answer frequently asked questions.</p> 
</span></div> 
<br> 
<div> We try to make sure we are offering everything our customers want and need, in convenient, trouble free packages. If there is something that would improve our kits for you, or an option you would like to see added, please let us know via our Contact US Page! Your requests do matter and ARE listened to! We have added from request, the large backing pads, spacers (on occasion they were needed), alternate thread sizes for the 4 1/2" discs, the adjustable pin wrench, 3" discs and the Curved 4 1/2" discs.</div> 
<hr class="thick"> 
<h2 style="text-align: center;">4. Video Demonstrations</h2> 
<h3 style="text-align: center; color: red;">Our Original Video Demonstration!</h3> 
<div class="ytvideo" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14pt;"> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/X8cruauERmI?rel=0"> <img src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/X8cruauERmI/0.jpg"></a> 
<p class="yt_hd" style="max-width: 480px;">Wolfes Metal Fabrication Shrinking Disc demonstration - YouTube</p> 
<p class="yt_ft" style="max-width: 480px;">Video will open in a new window<br> 
Using the eBay App? Paste link into a browser window:</p> 
<input class="yt_inp" value="https://www.youtube.com/embed/X8cruauERmI?rel=0" style="max-width: 480px;" type="text"></div> 
<br> 
<div style="text-align: center;"> <img src="https://www.wolfesmetalfabrication.com/sitebuilder/images/657-456x339.jpg" alt="" height="379" width="480"> <img src="https://www.wolfesmetalfabrication.com/sitebuilder/images/672-456x339.jpg" alt="" height="379" width="480"> </div> 
<br> 
<div>In the above pictures and our original video, I demonstrate removing two large bulges in a domed panel, which simulate dents that have have been popped back out, but remain overstretched. Once I got the lumps shrunk back down (I did NOT use a hammer and dolly, only the shrinking disc for demonstration purposes), I ran a sander over the panel to show exactly how smooth of a finish can be achieved. You can not tell the damage used to be there, and if painting, it would be ready for primer, no filler needed. In normal conditions, you would straighten out the metal like usual with a hammer and dolly first, to speed up the process, and then use the shrinking disc to achieve smooth final finish. More details and instructions can be found in the included instruction manual.</div> 
<h3 style="text-align: center;">New High Definition Repair Video on a 1941 Lincoln!</h3> 
<div style="text-align: center;"> <img src="https://www.wolfesmetalfabrication.com/sitebuilder/images/Repair_Poster_Side_1-480x379.jpg" alt="" height="379" width="480"> <img src="https://wolfesmetalfabrication.com/images/repair_poster_side_2_ebay.jpg" alt="" height="379" width="480"> </div> 
<br> 
<div class="ytvideo"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rt07pLebQwQ?rel=0"> <img src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/rt07pLebQwQ/0.jpg"></a> 
<p class="yt_hd" style="max-width: 480px;">Dent Repair, Metal Bumping &amp; Shrinking with a Wolfes Metal Fabrication "Easy Shrink"™ Shrinking Disc - YouTube</p> 
<p class="yt_ft" style="max-width: 480px;">Video will open in a new window<br> 
Using the eBay App? Paste link into a browser window:</p> 
<input class="yt_inp" value="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rt07pLebQwQ?rel=0" style="max-width: 480px;" type="text"></div> 
<br> 
<hr class="thick"> 
<div>

 

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<h2>5. Frequently Asked Questions - <span style="font-size: 18pt;">(Please review <b>BEFORE </b>contacting us!)</span></h2> 
<h3> What are Shrinking Discs?</h3> 
<p>When using a Shrinking Disc, you are able to shrink overstretched areas and repair damaged sheet metal panels to a like new condition, making for a better quality, longer lasting finish with little or no body filler at all! The secret to them, is they create the heat that is needed to shrink through friction. They produce better results and are much more controllable than shrinking with a torch or a solid tipped stud gun. When using a torch, you are directly controlling how much heat is being inserted, and were it is going. This is easily and many times overdone, resulting in warping and further damaging the panel. With the shrinking disc and its large surface area, it eliminates some of the guess work, especially when smoothing a lumpy panel by only touching the higher overstretched areas! The heat is also more concentrated on the higher peaks of the damage and tapers off to the lower areas, which results in a much greater accuracy of heat placement, in turn ending with a much smoother nicely blended panel.</p> 
<p>Once you have started using the shrinking disc and get a little practice under your belt, it will make you feel more confident in your metalworking skills when you can finish a panel with no body filler at all! The more you use it, and the better you get, the less filler you have to spread and sand! It saves lots of time on sanding, keeps the shop cleaner from having less putty dust, and makes for a better quality, longer lasting finish with little or no body filler at all!</p> 
<h3>How is it used?</h3> 
<p>In normal conditions, you would roughly straighten the panel, tap the dents and low areas up with a hammer and dolly and then make a couple of passes with the shrinking disc, heating and cooling. Look over the panel to determine were more work is needed, and using a hammer and dolly, rearrange or tap up any remaining low spots followed by a few more passes with the disc. After completing several loops of this process, your panel will be smooth, and back to normal surface tension.</p> 
<p>When using the shrinking disc after welding in a patch panel to arrive at an almost invisible seam, you should start by carefully grinding the bulk of the weld. While doing this, you want to minimizing excessive heat buildup and prevent thinning of the panel itself. Then the HAZ (Heat Affected Zone, the area that was discolored while welding) needs to be stretched by using a hammer and dolly (with slightly more contour than your panel), striking the hammer "On Dolly". This is required, because the welding process heat causes shrinking just like the shrinking disc does, although it happens in an unwanted and uncontrolled manner. After stretching the HAZ, it will be closer to the original profile, but still lumpy, uneven and possibly over stretched from the various hammer blows. Now is when the shrinking disc works its magic. By using the shrinking disc over this area, and blending around the edges if needed, it will only touch the higher overstretched areas as mentioned before, and shrink them down so the entire weld area is smooth, and has the same surface level. More details on using the discs included in the Instruction Manual.</p> 
<h3>How does Heat Shrinking work?</h3> 
<p>Shrinking occurs after heating (causing expansion) and cooling metal (resulting in contraction). This happens because while a panel or sheet of metal is being heated, the heated area is trying to expand. The surrounding cold metal is containing the majority of the expansion and holding it in, preventing the expansion from happening. When cooling the panel, the heated metal contracts (which the surrounding metal cannot prevent, in turn shrinking the heated area. Important aspects of this method are heating and cooling fairly quickly. Slow heating is usually more of a problem than slow cooling, as it will let the heat disperse into the entire panel before any expansion containment has taken place, reducing the shrinking discs effectiveness greatly. If heating happens quick enough, some shrinking can occur with only room temperature cooling, but is greatly accelerated and multiplied by cooling with either compressed air or water (squirt bottle or rag), but water generally tends to provide quicker cooling.</p> 
<p>These shrinking discs work well on steel, stainless, aluminum, brass and may on some other metals. (it is recommended to use separate discs to prevent cross contamination) Also it only touches the higher overstretched spots that need to be shrunk. So you are able to shrink an area on a panel without worrying about making the problem even worse like you can with a torch. The shrinking disc also works excellent on removing those "oil can" dents that were caused by overworking and stretching the metal too much! </p> 
<h3>Which size disc should I get 3", 4 1/2" or 9"?</h3> 
<p>The small 4 1/2" disc has a low initial investment (almost everyone has a 4 1/2" grinder), and works great on small parts (for example, stainless trim, grille shells, motorcycle tanks, etc), light damage, tight spaces, or after primer and block sanding, it works great for catching any high spots that were overlooked, instead of beating them in and covering them with filler, without disturbing much of the surrounding primer (as it is more difficult with the large disc).</p> 
<p>The large 9" disc excels when working large, low to medium contour panels such as, hoods, roof, door, trunk or heavily damaged panels, because of its greater working surface area. Compare it to block sanding, were on a large panel, a longer sanding block makes it straighter and works more area at one time, but the small ones still work and are needed for some situations as well.</p> 
<p>Our newest addition to the shrinking disc line is the 3" disc. The SD3 Disc and Kit were designed to compliment the larger shrinking discs for extreme fine tuning and to get into hard to reach areas.p If there is room for a larger disc, using the larger disc is recommended, as you will have much better and faster results.p After personally using the larger shrinking discs for many years and talking to customers, I found that a smaller shrinking disc would be a great compliment to the shrinking tool arsenal.p The SD3 disc would not be a good option to try to repair an entire 1/4 panel or heavily damaged area, it would take too long and/or just not work very well. However, it is very handy, especially when repairing sandblasting damage from the outer skin being stretched when it is blasted from the backside between the bracing. This creates a Hard Edge of stretching from the blasting process because of the bracing blocking some of the panel. The small lipless discs allow you to get into the open areas between the bracing and even slightly under to finish blending the repair as far as the blasting process was able to stretch the sheetmetal.</p> 
<h3>Do I need spare discs?</h3> 
<p>If purchasing our Deluxe Kit or larger kit, you are allowed to purchase up to 2 of each size of discs for spares at 1/2 price at the time of purchase. The discs themselves will last a long time, long enough that we don't have an actual lifespan to give you, and since usage varies greatly for different people. The only reasons you may choose to purchase spares are, in case you drop and bend or otherwise damage a disc, loan it to a buddy and he fails to return it before you need it (heard this more than once!), or the primary reason being, if you are planning on using them on multiple different materials such as mild steel, aluminum and stainless steel. You can use the same disc, however you want to be sure you clean it very well to prevent the possibility of embedding tiny steel particles that can rust or cause corrosion into your stainless or aluminum panel. To prevent that from even being a possibility, it is recommended to use different discs on different materials. Our Deluxe 349W+2 Kit includes all 3 sizes of kits, the wrench and 2 spares of each size for a Complete Discounted Kit.</p> 
<h3>Why choose our "Easy Shrink"™ Shrinking Discs over others?</h3> 
<p>Our "Easy Shrink"™ discs are made using a Special High Grade Stainless Alloy &amp; Manufacturing Process, that creates a long lasting, low galling, crack resistant, safer and higher performance disc compared to older designs. Brian Wolfe (Owner) is the Inventor of the smaller stainless shrinking discs, the correct 4 1/2" size in particular (as well as the new 3" disc), but was then followed by others. The larger discs have been around for ages made by multiple different manufacturers in several different styles, and over the years of using and providing shrinking discs, we have made changes and improvements to the material and manufacturing process that we use, to provide you with an improved quality, safer and better performing disc, as well as introducing a smaller size disc to compliment the large one and for special situations. Many people prefer our smooth shrinking discs over the wavy discs for several reasons. It is safer with the flanged edge than the "saw blade" like edge the wavy discs have. The ridges are not necessary, they create unneeded vibration and noise as the shrinking happens because of the heat caused by friction. The ridges can actually lead to premature failure and cracking due to wearing thin only on the higher raised areas of the disc. We have also worked hard to improve the quality control checks following manufacturing before delivery. I, Brian Wolfe, will personally provide great friendly customer service to deal with problems or answer questions with quick responses with an importance to customer satisfaction. We have also put a lot of time, effort and testing into making reasonably priced quality "Kits" that generally include everything that you need to get you started easily and conveniently with the least amount of hassle.</p> 
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<h3>Misc FAQ's</h3> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: What speed of grinder do I need for your shrinking discs?</b><br> 
A: For the 9" discs 3000-6000 rpm work great. I personally use an old heavy 6000 rpm grinder. For the 4 1/2" discs, most small grinders run at 10,000-13,000 rpm. They will work great. On the new 3" discs, a standard right angle air grinder at 20,000-22,000 rpm works well. (higher power air grinders work best as alot of friction is taking place and can slow the grinder and shrinking action if it is not powerful enough) This Info is included in the "Explanation of Contents" </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: Do your shrinking discs come with a backing pad?</b><br> 
A: If you are buying a <b>"KIT"</b> &amp; it says it does in the <b>"Explanation of Contents"</b>, then yes it does. Our Shrinking Discs <b>REQUIRE</b> a backing pad for proper mounted &amp; usage. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: What type of backing pad can I use for your shrinking discs?</b><br> 
A: Most large grinders come with a rubber or plastic pad that is intended for flexible sanding discs, and have a nut that is tapered so it will sit flush with the surface when tightened, these may be used, but some pads may not follow the contour of the discs well and will cause problems when mounting. Also watch out for backing pads that include a Cast nut! (I have seen them break!) Our Kits use machined nuts (very important for safety!) This is why we <b>HIGHLY RECOMMEND</b> purchasing one of our Kits! They include everything you need to ensure a trouble free experience! </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: How can I learn more about metalworking and using these tools?</b><br> 
A: A great free place to learn are the Metalmeet and Allmetalshaping forums, as well as a few others. Search the forums and ask questions, there are many nice people there sharing about the art of metalworking. There are also DVDs offered by various individuals focusing on different subjects of metalworking that can be purchased online. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: I love your tool, and would like to tell you about it.</b><br> 
A: Great! Feel free to write a response about our tools and include pictures and/or your business/website information if you would like. If you allow permission, I will gladly post your story and link on our website for others to see how well it worked for you. We have many short one line thanks and amazement quotes, and always welcome more, although if you feel like writing more, we would love to put you on our testimonials page with or without pictures. </p> 
<h3>eBay Related FAQ's</h3> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: Can you please leave feedback for me?</b><br> 
A: Yes of course, but we are very busy, so feedback is left in bulk for everyone a couple of times a month. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: When will you ship, or when will i receive my item?</b><br> 
A: Orders are shipped same or next day Monday through Friday. US orders usually take 2-3 days but allow 6 for delays. International orders normally take 6-10 days, but can take a little longer (up to a month in rare cases) due to customs delays that are out of our hands. If you are still waiting, just keep an eye on the tracking info for updates. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: How much is shipping?</b><br> 
A: Click on the shipping tab and select your country from the drop down list and click the get rates button. It will show you the proper shipping price. Sometimes we offer FREE Shipping on a few of our listings. Shipping prices are almost always calculated automatically so there is rarely a need to contact us for a quote. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: Will you combine shipping if I buy more than one item?</b><br> 
A: Yes, the listing or the shipping info will explain the discount and it is usually added automatically. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: I paid and have not received my item, or I am unhappy because.....</b><br> 
A: Please contact us about any problems or questions you have, <b>BEFORE</b> leaving Negative feedback. We strive to keep our customers happy and our feedback at the top! </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: Can I bid on/buy an item and then change my mind?</b><br> 
A: Your bid is a contract, and if you win; you need to pay for your purchase. Be sure you want the item <b>BEFORE</b> bidding/buying. If you are unsure, please do not bid. eBay is very strict on this, and a NPB (Non Paying Bidder) report is filed with them if this happens. It is very inconvenient for us and we still get charged for the sale. </p> 
<p id="p12"><b>Q: I want to buy an item, but I might not be able to make the payment within 48 hours. Is this ok?</b><br> 
A: We like to get items out right away after the sale, but we will understand if you need a little more time to complete the payment. All we ask in either scenario is to send an email saying when you will make the payment, or that payment is on its way. </p> 
<p style="text-align: center;"><b>If your question was still not answered, please feel free to send an email.</b></p> 
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<h2 style="text-align: center;">6. Customer Feedback - <span style="color: red;">100%</span> <img alt="+" src="https://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconPos_16x16.gif" height="24" width="24"> Positive Feedback</h2> 
<p style="text-align: center;"><b>Here are a few comments left by our customers!</b></p> 
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<li>Very happy with this product,works like magic!</li> 
<li>Fantastic! that roof looks perfect now!!!!</li> 
<li>Fast, smooth, wish i had this disk sooner, it works just like they said it would!</li> 
<li>As described Amazing I have been using a torch for 35 years this is the way to go</li> 
<li>Super fast shipping, that disc works magic on metal. Thanks alot.</li> 
<li>Wow! no way! mind blowing..too cool buy from this guy he`s the best! AAAAA+++++++</li> 
<li>Seller goes the extra mile for customer satisfaction. Highly recommend. Fast ship!</li> 
<li>Looking for a quality eBay seller that takes care of business? Well, here you go</li> 
<li>Fast shipping-nice instructions. Disc is HEAVY gauge stainless, thanks Wolfes!</li> 
<li>Fast delivery to Canada,excellent product,total amateur able to remove "oilcan"</li> 
<li>Recommended eBayer. Fast international delivery., Great product AA++many thanks</li> 
<li>Received Disc's, GREAT JOB !AWESOME PRODUCT! GREAT PERSON TO DEAL WITH. A+</li> 
<li>Works great ,saves alot of finishing time thank you very much. a++++++++++</li> 
<li>Thanks sir!!! exactly as i expected nice product!!!!!</li> 
<li>Outstanding eBay transaction. Very fast shipping. Thank you. A+++</li> 
<li>Fast,efficient and a real nice tool</li> 
<li>Great Tool! Thanks! Perfect!</li> 
<li>A GREAT SELLER,WONDERFUL MERCHANDISE,FAST SHIPPING! RECOMMENDED! A+++</li> 
<li>FAST to ship, just a GREAT seller to do biz with will deal with again I hope</li> 
<li>Speedy delivery, super, tops ++++++++++++</li> 
<li>very good communication, finest tool, great eBay seller !! A+</li> 
<li>Straight up people they got my vote thank you merry christmas AAAAAAA+++++</li> 
<li>Smooth transaction and quick delivery, disc works great! Your the man! Thanks</li> 
<li>Amazing !received faster than items ive bought in England! well recommended +++++++</li> 
<li>Great transaction - instructions included ! thank you !!</li> 
<li>Fine ebayer just like advertised great communications</li> 
<li>Fun tool to use, it works!! thanks!!</li> 
<li>Super product and delivered amazingly fast,thankyou very much!!!!!!!!!</li> 
<li>PERFECT TRANSACTION! A++++++++++++ 5 STARS ALL THE WAY!</li> 
<li>Shrinking disc works great. Even comes with instructions. A+ Thanks again, Cory</li> 
<li>Everything you said it was, plus quick shipping. Thank You</li> 
<li>SUPER FAST DELIVERY!! came before items I bought more than a week before it</li> 
<li>The best quality and super products, fast shipper</li> 
<li>Fast and packed with TLC! A true Ebay Pro!!! Thank you!!!!! A Plus!</li> 
<li>FIRST RATE COMPANY GREAT ITEM GREAT EBAYER AAAAAAAAAAAAA +++++++++++</li> 
<li>Why no one locally does this I don't know! Thanks ! You have saved me heaps !</li> 
<li>Showed up quick and great instructions!! THANKS!!</li> 
<li>Fast delivery, nice tool and instructions to boot - recommended eBay seller</li> 
<li>Very cool!!! Thanks Wolfes Metal Fab!!!</li> 
<li>Super fast shipping, very helpful, great product thanks again</li> 
<li>Quality product, good communication &amp; super fast delivery! AAAAAAA++++</li> 
<li>Absolutely Perfect ----- Awesome ---- Thank You ---- AAAAAAAAAAAA +++++++++++++</li> 
<li>Great product...Quick delivery. What else could I ask ? Thank You</li> 
<li>Accurate description lightning response</li> 
<li>Awesome Disc Works GREAT Quick SAFE Ship AAA+++</li> 
<li>Excellent tool, quick post to UK, very helpful seller. Highly recommended</li> 
<li>A+ Exactly as described!! Perfect!! Fast shipping, great price!! Thanks !</li> 
<li>SUPER Works Like Magic Quality Disc Quick SAFE Shipping AAA+++</li> 
<li>Great product. Have told others about it........ thanks.</li> 
<li>Great seller!,quality item even better than expected,will recomend THANKS</li> 
<li>Great Transaction A+ Wonderful Product Disc works as advertised</li> 
<li>Great product. Communication outstanding. Thanks a bunch!</li> 
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I listed an item a few months ago with embedded css and the auction is working fine. For the past few weeks i have been having problems where it seems like the css is getting stripped on new listings.

So i took the listing from a few months ago and copied the html to a new listing and sure enough the css is being stripped or totally being ignored. 

So ..... wassup ?

 

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I have 2 examples here
This on works fine https://www.ebay.ca/itm/153395549517
this one i generated today with the exact same html code and look here for the result https://www.ebay.ca/itm/153434161076

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@reginatempered 

 

Your newly generated item is missing the stylesheet entirely. There can be three causes:

 

1) The Quick Lister will strip stylesheets and styleblocks entirely. This is the nature of the tool that strips non-body elements.  But I suspect you are not using the Quick Lister.

 

2) Switching between the Standard tab and the HTML tab causes the HTML to be reprocessed by the browser.

 

3) Some browser copy/paste combinations can lose non-body elements if copied from a webpage editor.

 

For 2 and 3 above, switching or updating the browser can mean a difference in how a stylesheet performs in the editor. eBay's description editor relies on the HTML editor built into the browser. Some of the browsers assume that a stylesheet belongs in the "head" element, which already exists on eBay's listing creation page. So the editor will move the stylesheet to the editing page's "head" element, where it still performs correctly while editing. But after the listing is published (or when using the popup preview page), the editing "head" element does not transfer to the completed listing, and the stylesheet is lost.

 

One solution is to place a hard element ahead of the stylesheet to force recognition that it is part of the "body" element. Moving the stylesheet to the end of the HTML accomplishes the same thing. This is the hard element I recommend placing ahead of the stylesheet:

<br style="display:none">

Now, for your listing where the stylesheet remains, the description is not visible to me in desktop view. eBay's window collapses down to a slit because there are no hard components holding open the page. This can occur when a page contains all "floats" or "absolute" positions, where nothing is nailed to the underlying page. In this situation, some browsers may hold the page open so that eBay can measure its size and some may not. My Firefox does not.

 

Often, the solution for floats is to add some variations of a "clear" element, like

<br style="clear:both">

within appropriate block level elements. Another solution is to modify the floats and absolute-positions to leave some "relative" objects in the page that will hold open the content.

 

Unrelated to your question is the fact that there is no code to make the template mobile friendly. The template hardcodes elements at 1000 pixels wide, and then uses absolute positioning without regard to screen width.

 

I would say that the biggest display problem is the absolute positioning.  Try to use inline elements as much as possible, and then use scaling to make the elements work on mobile devices.

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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