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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Sorry, but with how hard it is to get solid answers on the phone with eBay, I am going to vent here. Maybe someone can enlighten me.  I sold a car part. I thought it could be NOS. (meaning an old part, but never actually used) because it was so clean. I didn't know for sure. So in my title, I wrote NOS?? and in my description I wrote "could this be NOS?." I let the buyer decide. Someone bought it. A week after they recieved it I get a notice that he started a return. I have a no returns policy. However when people message me with actual issues I show grace and usually do the return. This person did not reach out. Just started a return and his note in the returns section literally read "This is not NOS ?" With a question mark too! I messaged him in messages. I messaged him in the returns / case cue. A total of three times politely asking what was up, what was wrong with it. He also had submitted a picture. The picture almost exactly matched a picture in my auction. So you cannot claim I did not show that part of the part clearly. I submitted my auction picture to the case cue to show this. Without any communication or understanding of what is wrong with the part, (like why is it not NOS, and why didn't you figure that out before bidding base on pics) I am not apt to offer a refund. So after I had sent the third message in the return cue, instead of saying "message sent" it went to a page saying I approved the return! And sent them a return postage. I kid you not it automatically approved it when I hit the paper airplane send button. So weird. I called eBay and finally talked with someone. They said I could not take it back. I said I never sent the approval. She ignored that and said don't worry, it's just a return. Not a refund. When you get it you can inspect it and if it matches the photos and description then you can file a case. (This I would find out is a lie. If you receive an item and it is not damaged or missing stuff, you PAY automatically.) So I recieved the item. I look into doing a case, talked with someone on the phone. They said I had to sign an affidavit. They emailed me one. I hung up. I looked at the affidavit. The only three options to check, that the box came back empty, that it is in different condition than when I sent it, or that an item of lesser of lower value came back. I called eBay back. I said this won't work, the part is fine, in fact it is AS PICTURED AND AS DESCRIBED but the buyer is just sending it back. The woman literally said to check the box that it came back in different condition. I said that would not be true. This is something I have to sign "under penalty of perjury" as it was written. She said yea but that is what you need to do. We have no other option. You check that and sign it and then you're protected. I said I cannot say that-  it is isn't true. What if the seller sees that? She said he wouldn't. I said well maybe I can message the guy one more time and come to some sort of agreement. She said she would put my case on hold for 5 days so I could do what I need to do, but make sure to call them on the 5th day. Then I try to contact the guy one more time to be nice. No response. Next morning I get an email saying case closed in his favor. What?! What happened to 5 days? I tried to call eBay, but it only allowed me an email option to appeal. (no phone calls on the weekend?) So I sent an email explaining everythng. Tonight I get a very generic email (AI?) saying it was reviewed and also that since I received the item they automatically get a refund. No, I am sorry, but if a human being actually reviews the case it wouldn't be some weird AI generic email with a lot of flowery pleasantries. Someone may actually say, yea his picture was in your auction, where is his evidence this isn't what you say, he hasn't chimed in once to explain himself, so...  Anyways, eBay should hire some actual case workers and actually do some work. Not use programs that look at boxes checked and tracking numbers and make decisions. 

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Them I'm told on the phone I don't have to refund once I received item if the buyer is wrong,

 

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you were misguided by CS. That is not how it works,

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Without even trying to read that wall of text: per your title:

 

The REASON is: there are over 2,000,000,000 (2 Billion) transactions a day on this site.

 

If even 1% were 'returns', that would be 20,000,000 (20 million) a day. 

 

That's why. 

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

could not read the entire wall of text, but...................................when a human reviews a not as described, 99.99% (estimate) of the time the results will be the same. A CSR may agree with you, but will not change the requirement to provide a return label, or just refund.

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Your title says NOS.

Description says: Could this be NOS?

You listed it as used.

 

If you didn't know for sure, I would have left NOS out.

Have A Great Day.
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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

No, my title said NOS?? Two question marks mean stuff. That means it could be. Or maybe not. I actually think it could be.  I cannot prove it, so please study photos and decide. That is what that means. And, if your only proof that it isn't, is a pic that matches one on my auction, that isn't very good evidence. 

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@rocketshoes wrote:

No, my title said NOS?? Two question marks mean stuff. That means it could be. Or maybe not. I actually think it could be.  I cannot prove it, so please study photos and decide. That is what that means. And, if your only proof that it isn't, is a pic that matches one on my auction, that isn't very good evidence. 


Really NONE of that matters. You CANNOT list using ?? as if though you want the 'buyer' to 'figure it out'....

 

So, if a buyer wants to return something using the 'not as described' you have NO choice but to either 'provide a return label' and then 'refund when you get it back or...

 

simply refund and NOT have the buyer return it. 

 

That is the way this site works. Buyers are protected. 

 

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Yea, I suppose. But since the wall of text scared you, let me pluck from it. I hit a message send button on the return cue, and suddenly I had accepted the return and issued postage. So weird. It's like the return process is going to happen, like it or not. I am just along for the ride. Them I'm told on the phone I don't have to refund once I received item if the buyer is wrong, but then it automatically refunds him because I received the part back. 

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@rocketshoes wrote:

No, my title said NOS?? Two question marks mean stuff. That means it could be. Or maybe not. I actually think it could be.  I cannot prove it, so please study photos and decide. That is what that means. And, if your only proof that it isn't, is a pic that matches one on my auction, that isn't very good evidence. 


 

If you can't prove it's NOS, you shouldn't have mentioned it and just left it as used.

Looking at the photos, it looks used to me.

Have A Great Day.
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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

I CAN use "??".  I haven't been jailed yet for doing it, haha! And buyers have been "figuring" it out for over 23 years of my being a seller with 100% feedback.  And it does matter if his evidence is a pic matching my auction pic without any info or explanation to contradict me. Saying that "NONE" of that matters is inaccurate, it does matter. However in the context of how eBay's policies and programs work, I suppose you are right, it does not matter.  Most buyers with commons sense make a deductions and understand what I mean and bid accordingly. If they have questions they ask me and I add photos or more to the description. If I am wrong, they actually TALK to me via messages  and if they point me to something I missed, I refund them. And yes, I don't have them return it so I save on shipping. But this guy would not communicate once. So I was forced to pay shipping. Oh well, thanks for your response though. 

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

Them I'm told on the phone I don't have to refund once I received item if the buyer is wrong,

 

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you were misguided by CS. That is not how it works,

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

The days of selling items you know nothing about on Ebay ended years ago, If you even imply incorrect information, the Money Back Guarantee applies.

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

If you have worked on engines, you look for carbon. Have you pulled a head? The ports are black and chambers are black, there is gasket residue. Even a cleaned up used head doesn't look that clean of carbon deposits. An NOS part that has been stored in garages and sheds for 40 years would have what we call "shelf wear" and parts would have corrosion, some surface rust, but no carbon. The spark block threads are clean. There are no gasket marks.  So maybe NOS Or, yes, I am wrong, so don't bid on it. Or, tell me why I am wrong and let me refund you. But no communication to explain whey it doesn't match my description is not appropriate. 

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Why doesn't eBay actually have humans reviewing return cases?

I CAN use "??".

 

Not without violating policy you can't.

 

"Listings can't include keywords with question marks, as this can be misleading for buyers. If any item details are unclear or unknown, they should be left out of the listing"

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/search-manipulation-policy?id=4243

 

 

 

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@eburtonlab wrote:

@rocketshoes wrote:

I CAN use "??".  I haven't been jailed yet for doing it, haha! 


Not without violating policy you can't.

 

"Listings can't include keywords with question marks, as this can be misleading for buyers. If any item details are unclear or unknown, they should be left out of the listing"

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/search-manipulation-policy?id=4243 


It sounds like @rocketshoes you Do not pass Go and do not collect $200 ??

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@rocketshoes wrote:

If you have worked on engines, you look for carbon. Have you pulled a head? The ports are black and chambers are black, there is gasket residue. Even a cleaned up used head doesn't look that clean of carbon deposits. An NOS part that has been stored in garages and sheds for 40 years would have what we call "shelf wear" and parts would have corrosion, some surface rust, but no carbon. The spark block threads are clean. There are no gasket marks.  So maybe NOS Or, yes, I am wrong, so don't bid on it. Or, tell me why I am wrong and let me refund you. But no communication to explain whey it doesn't match my description is not appropriate. 


 

I've worked on engines 40 some years.

Have A Great Day.
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