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Here's why we'll never buy ShipCover insurance again....

We recently sold an item to a buyer that was damaged by the carrier in transit. We had purchased ShipCover insurance for the full value of the item to protect both ourselves and the buyer from any losses.

 

However, when the buyer received the item they opened a return case for "Item not as described" instead of "Damaged in transit".

 

We explained that there was no need to worry as the item was fully insured and that the proper course of action is to proceed with the insurance claim as not only would they be fully reimbursed but they would likely be able to keep the items as well.

 

We requested that the buyer upload photos of the package which clearly showed signs of mishandling.

 

Initially the buyer seemed fine with proceeding with the insurance claim.

 

However, when we went to file the claim we realized that we had to wait 7 days before we could even initiate the ShipCover claim (the reasoning for this is simply unfathomable). This is contrary to how eBay is marketing the insurance to sellers as it's supposed to streamline and expedite the claims process which couldn't be any further from the truth.

 

Had we purchased USPS insurance the claims process would have been able to be initiated immediately so they are false advertising the benefits of their own branded insurance.

 

Despite not being able to file a ShipCover claim until 5/24, the return request required that we take action by 5/20.

 

We called eBay and their incompetent outsourced staff in the Philippines were not knowledgable about eBay's own branded insurance coverage. We spoke with half a dozen reps who all gave us conflicting information ranging from "On this one, you can just ignore the return request" to "I don't know let me transfer you to my colleague who can further assist you".

 

So, we tried our best to get the disgruntled buyer to sit and twiddle their thumbs for 7 days. However, on 5/20 when eBay informed them that they were eligible to escalate the claim to customer service, that's exactly what they did.

 

Within an hour or two eBay had closed the case in the buyers favor and told them to return the damaged items to us at our expense and before we could even bat an eyelash USPS had possession of the items.

 

We immediately attempted to appeal the decision based on the fact that the buyer used incorrect reasoning for the return request and that they had provided clear evidence of mishandling in transit and that the terms of the insurance policy clearly states that the buyer must hold onto the items in order for the insurance company to investigate the claim.

 

By telling the buyer to return the items they negated our ability to win the insurance claim.

 

It's unfathomable that they would sell us their own branded insurance and then deny us the ability to make a claim by requiring us to resolve a return case before we are even eligible to open a claim with the insurance company.

 

Despite us not being at fault for damaging the items, and despite us purchasing eBay's ShipCover insurance, we could not win a claim and the damaged items were returned to us at our expense and the buyer was fully reimbursed including outbound shipping and we ultimately wound up taking a significant loss which was the direct result of eBay's disorganization.

 

It's a pretty difficult pill to swallow and at this point it seems that the only recourse is to sue eBay in small claims court for their mishandling of this situation and for selling us insurance that they did not give us an opportunity to redeem.

 

After 20 years this really seems like the end of the road for us as the level of disorganization at eBay resulting from their outsourced workforce is intolerable and this type of outcome where a seller must unjustly eat the bill for something that should have been rightfully insured is just unacceptable.

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Here's why we'll never buy ShipCover insurance again....

You're mistaken yet again and you continue to make assumptions that are merely manifestations of your own ignorance. 

 

The whole point of this thread which you are failing to acknowledge is that the MBG policy conflicts with the policy of the ShipCover insurance and in order to comply with one you end up breaching the other.

 

Having eBay require a return of the buyer means that we are no longer in compliance with the terms of the insurance policy which clearly states that the buyer must hold onto the items.

 

Furthermore, the MBG requires action to be taken by 5/20 yet ShipCover requires that the seller wait until 5/24 to file a claim.

 


No, the buyer filed the correct case.

That's inaccurate.

 

The buyer did not take the appropriate action as the item was damaged in transit yet the reasoning for the return case was "not as described". They provided photos which perspicuously showed that the package was mishandled by the carrier. The appropriate reasoning for the dispute, as advised by eBay's own representatives should have been "damaged in shipping". 

 

This is one of the many flaws with the MBG is that it allows the buyer to exploit the vulnerabilities of their policies (but that's a whole other topic of discussion).



It's when the seller wanted the buyer to wait 7 days so they could file an insurance claim, is when the buyer ask Ebay to step in and make the decision.


That's another false assumption resulting from your own misconception.

 

The buyer initially agreed to wait until we were eligible to initiate the insurance claim.

 

All the action we took was advised by representatives of eBay when we inquired about the proper procedure on how to comply with the requirements of a ShipCover insurance case as the two policies clearly conflict with one another.

 

We did not take any action whatsoever without first consulting with eBay representatives.

 

Multiple eBay representatives advised us not to refund the buyer or accept the return until we were able to initiate the claim due to the requirements of the ShipCover policy.

 

We were advised to communicate with the buyer to have them wait until we were eligible to file a claim as the policy clearly states that the buyer must hold onto the items.

 

This was information provided by official representatives employed by eBay all of which are documented on the return case.

 

However, when the buyer escalated the claim and eBay authorized the return, it created a conflict with our ability to win the insurance claim as it caused us to breach the ShipCover policy.

 

Nobody is disputing how the policies work in singularity and we are well aware of the MBG requirements having dealt with many cases over the years.

 

The dispute is how we're expected to comply with both policies simulataneously and that's the sole purpose of what this thread is about as the MBG essentially renders the ShipCover insurance void as it requires that the seller take action before they have the ability to initiate the claim. Additionally, it breaches the requirement for the buyer to retain the items for investigation.

 

That is the purpose of this thread and it has nothing to do with not understanding eBay's policies as you ignorantly allude.

 

Now please stop hijacking this thread with your ludicrous incursions as you've accomplished nothing more than publicly demonstrating your own ignorance. 

 

Perhaps, karensgiftshop would be a more suitable name for your store 😉

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@lightrix wrote:

So, we tried our best to get the disgruntled buyer to sit and twiddle their thumbs for 7 days.


 

That's not the way it works.

If you plan on filing an insurance claim, you refund the buyer, then you wait twiddling your thumbs to see if the insurance claim goes through.

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Here's why we'll never buy ShipCover insurance again....

No, you're sorely mistaken.

 

If you refund the buyer before processing the claim then they don't have any incentive to cooperate with an insurance claim and are free to do as they please.

 

The buyer must hold onto the items in order for the claim to be investigated.

 

Feel free to try your logic but don't be surprised when the buyer stops responding and you don't get your items back.

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I subscribed to this thread as I'm curious how this will turn out. Yes, 7 day wait for a buyer is hard to wait, after all they are stuck with damaged goods and out their money, they want to be made whole ASAP. 

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@lightrix wrote:

No, you're sorely mistaken.

 

If you refund the buyer before processing the claim then they don't have any incentive to cooperate with an insurance claim and are free to do as they please.

 

The buyer must hold onto the items in order for the claim to be investigated.

 

Feel free to try your logic but don't be surprised when the buyer stops responding and you don't get your items back.


You see how it worked out trying it your way.

The buyer doesn't have to cooperate in your insurance claim, they are covered by the MBG and they'll get their money back either way.,

I think a buyer would be more willing to help if the seller didn't make them wait for their refund.

 

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@lightrix wrote:

By telling the buyer to return the items they negated our ability to win the insurance claim.


 

When a buyer files an INAD, you have two choices.

Accept the return, pay return shipping and refund once the item is returned.

Refund the buyer without returning.

 

If you want to file an insurance claim, you choose the second option.

 

 

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@lightrix   I think the whole shipping insurance thing is a racket in some regards.  We use USPS's insurance since THEY are the carrier.  It is just a little more money but we had 2 claims for items over $ 150 each.  We had the Buyers process a return for "Arrived  damaged" claims.  When we got the items back we filed insurance claims with USPS online using pictures from the Buyers as well as our own upon receipt, in less than a week on both claims we had a check in hand.  It has been over a year now since the last of those claims and we have some friends who sell on eBay who have not had the same results, they got drug out by USPS for a claim in excess of $ 300 and in the end never got paid.

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Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@lightrix   I think the whole shipping insurance thing is a racket in some regards.  We use USPS's insurance since THEY are the carrier.  It is just a little more money but we had 2 claims for items over $ 150 each.  We had the Buyers process a return for "Arrived  damaged" claims.  When we got the items back we filed insurance claims with USPS online using pictures from the Buyers as well as our own upon receipt, in less than a week on both claims we had a check in hand.  It has been over a year now since the last of those claims and we have some friends who sell on eBay who have not had the same results, they got drug out by USPS for a claim in excess of $ 300 and in the end never got paid.


 

I didn't think USPS would pay out if the item was returned to the buyer.

How do they know the item wasn't damaged on the return, where there is no insurance?

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@lightrix wrote:

No, you're sorely mistaken.

 

If you refund the buyer before processing the claim then they don't have any incentive to cooperate with an insurance claim and are free to do as they please.

 

The buyer must hold onto the items in order for the claim to be investigated.

 

Feel free to try your logic but don't be surprised when the buyer stops responding and you don't get your items back.


eBay says that even if you are waiting for the boat to arrive on an insurance claim, that eBay will refund if you don't, and then both you and the buyer can continue to work out the shipping insurance protections with @shipcover_insurance.

 


brian@ebay wrote:

@coffeebean832 wrote:

Did you contact customer service? trinton@ebay has said many times that if a buyer does not cooperate with an insurance claim then eBay may afford some protections to the seller.


Hi @coffeebean832, while the information trinton@ebay provided previously was correct at the time, that information no longer matches our current processes. If a seller seeks protections from the shipping carrier then we'll approve a refund (if we're asked to step in) and let the seller and buyer work out the shipping insurance protections with each other. 

 

It's very uncommon for a buyer to not cooperate with an insurance claim. @lindaegret8 I'm sorry to hear that your buyer hasn't dropped the item off at their local post office. As another mentioned in this thread, there are times when USPS will accept pictures instead of requiring the item be dropped off. It may be worth calling them to see if they'll accept images in this case. Otherwise, USPS may be willing to work with you to arrange picking up for the item from the buyers home instead of having them drop it off (I worked with another seller who was able to have their carrier do this), so that is an avenue that may be worth trying as well.

 

I also want to add that ShipCover may be a good alternative for some sellers. The feedback I've seen is that filing a claim is simple since it's done on the eBay site, and proving proof of damage is also easy as it's also done through the eBay site. You can find more information about ShipCover here: https://pages.ebay.com/insurance/shipping/shipcover.html


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Here's why we'll never buy ShipCover insurance again....

Unfortunately, there are too many people out there taking advantage of the system to operate on the "honor system" that you describe.

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You're missing a key piece of information which is that the insurance company requires the buyer to hold onto the items for investigation yet eBay authorized a return denying us the ability to win a claim.

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@lightrix wrote:

You're missing a key piece of information which is that the insurance company requires the buyer to hold onto the items for investigation yet eBay authorized a return denying us the ability to win a claim.


You misread the quote.

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@lightrix wrote:

You're missing a key piece of information which is that the insurance company requires the buyer to hold onto the items for investigation yet eBay authorized a return denying us the ability to win a claim.


Yes, that's why you refund the buyer and have them hang on to the item and package so it can be inspected.

When a buyer files an INAD, you only have three days to accept the return or refund the buyer.

On the 4th day, the buyer can ask Ebay to step in and they can refund the buyer and let them keep the item or send them a return shipping label.

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You have so much to learn. Thanks for the chuckle.

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@lightrix wrote:

You have so much to learn. Thanks for the chuckle.


 

I'm not the one complaining about loosing an insurance claim.

Maybe read up on the MBG and see how it works.

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