The real fallout of MP

[siamjane8]

    Now that the majority of the medium to large sellers (read- people who have full time businesses and cant just quit ebay right away) have been forced into managed payments, eBay announced that it is blasting in everyone else- the occasional sellers........ These are the people who casually sell here and use to use the proceeds to buy on ebay.( and largely drive the commerce here). They are mostly unwilling to give SS#, driver licenses, and open new checking account to use ebay...... so they will just leave.

    I imagine that in the coming months ebay will lose millions of accounts because of this. In fact 3 of my neighbors just dropped off extra shipping supplies and told me that they want no part of Managed Payments.  The real problem is that these are people that will no longer shop on ebay now as well.......

     My mother came by after getting the notice and said she was done too.  Its a shame because she said that she bought 12 blouses just the other week on ebay but if she cant have her money in paypal from the stuff she sells- she is just not interested. She was a typical average person that listed and sold just so they could buy again but she was disappointed now.    My wife showed her how to get a Mercari account and showed her how simple it was to list and how your proceeds can be saved and used onsite (like ebay used to be) or can be transferred to paypal.  She was thrilled- she is a typical online shopaholic!  Ebay lost another seller/buyer....... 

I truly think this summer  is going to be an eye-opener for ebay- and unfortunately us 

[angwjea]

something wong ? 😀

[buyselljack2016]

eBay has way more sellers with things to sell than it has buyers to buy those things.

eBay will not even notice the million that leave when they are adding up their profits.

[disorderlieder]

The scripts used to block it  if you typed out a competitor's website so they all got code names.  Like where is a big river ...

[siamjane8]

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

eBay has way more sellers with things to sell than it has buyers to buy those things.

eBay will not even notice the million that leave when they are adding up their profits.

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We all know that there are more sellers than buyers but that is just the point- every seller is also a buyer- when they leave the platform- they stop being a buyer also. It a viscous cycle of customer neglect. My wife no longer checks ebay 1st. She goes to Mercari where her proceeds are kept on site to use((unless she transfers to paypal)- like it used to be on ebay w/ paypal). Now our money goes to checking out  so the money was not kept on the platform meaning there is no reason to shop on the platform to use that money any longer. And we still sell here- imagine people who leave because of MP- they have absolutely no reason to shop here now unless the item is unique or a great deal and it can only be found on ebay.......... But now those unique items are no longer being listed on ebay so the market shifts to the other platforms which are growing exponentially while ebay is declining......IT is a cycle that starts with ebay's abuse and neglect of its sellers. This has been going on for many years but they hung on to the monopoly- that has changed.  

     Believe me I would rather just maintain one listing site for our business here at Ebay- I just get the impression that they no longer want small to medium sized businesses- they certainly are not acting like it.   

    Wait till you try the new uniform listing tool LOL- its literally impossible to list with on a PC. Takes 3x longer and is horrible since it is designed for a phone.     

Time will tell I guess- ebay will never disappear of course but it is doubling down on every policy that has contributed to it's slow and steady decline in an online environment when every other platform is growing insanely fast- ITS NOT US EBAY -ITS YOU 

[buyselljack2016]

Wait till you try the new uniform listing tool LOL- its literally impossible to list with on a PC. Takes 3x longer and is horrible since it is designed for a phone.

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Have no idea what this "uniform listing tool" is.  Well, now I did go use the help & contact to read about it, but without seeing it, I'm still in the dark.

I sell mostly repeat items, and generally the new ones are in the same category of something that I have listed. The sell similar is a simple process for me. Can change the category by that process if needed.  Maybe that will be lost when we are all "opted" into the "new listing tool".

At this point I'm not sure if I could even find where I would start a new listing from scratch😁

[vintagecraze50]

Every major website uses payment processors that do not give you immediate access to funds. The only way you are going back to yesteryear is if you have your OWN website and accept PP as the only method of payment since PP is the ONLY processors that fronts money. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE. RESTRICTING PEOPLE TO ONLY PP will also cost you customers who do not like it and want more methods to spend their money with. MP for us is working like clockwork.

[vintagecraze50]

Yep, I sell sell sell, and I get PAID PAID PAID. WHAT A TERRIBLE PROGRAM THIS is. LOL.

[siamjane8]

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

Wait till you try the new uniform listing tool LOL- its literally impossible to list with on a PC. Takes 3x longer and is horrible since it is designed for a phone.

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Have no idea what this "uniform listing tool" is.  Well, now I did go use the help & contact to read about it, but without seeing it, I'm still in the dark.

I sell mostly repeat items, and generally the new ones are in the same category of something that I have listed. The sell similar is a simple process for me. Can change the category by that process if needed.  Maybe that will be lost when we are all "opted" into the "new listing tool".

At this point I'm not sure if I could even find where I would start a new listing from scratch😁

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I use the sell similar feature as well- never started a listing from scratch.  That is not the issue. The Unified listing tool is basically just the listing tool ( or flow as they call it) that is used on the ebay phone app- which is designed to work on a 6" phone screen- obviously every action must be in a popup box because the screen is so small- there is absolutely no reason to burden desktop users with this format. This is just typical ebay one size fits all mentality that has proven not to work already.  Makes no sense.  Already we are looking at 3rd party listing tools but then it will be simple to cross list on other platforms!!! which we will do for sure. Just lack of coherent leadership and direction for the company again- driving sellers away....... 

[siamjane8]

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@vintagecraze50 wrote:

Every major website uses payment processors that do not give you immediate access to funds. The only way you are going back to yesteryear is if you have your OWN website and accept PP as the only method of payment since PP is the ONLY processors that fronts money. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE. RESTRICTING PEOPLE TO ONLY PP will also cost you customers who do not like it and want more methods to spend their money with. MP for us is working like clockwork.

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I know every site uses a form of managed payments- the problem is solely with HOW ebay chooses to mange the payments. They have it set up to use our money to alleviate them of any responsibility in processing the money. It s set up to give them 100% profit with no liability- great business model for sure but it would never work in the real world if not for being forced on sellers.  BTW- you  can use every form of payment that ebay provides through paypal as well.  

I have been getting paid also- never said I wasnt.  Lots of people have a different story though.

The accounting is near impossibly confusing and backwards- there is no transparency, often the numbers from different reports are off, holds and cancelations are held so that ebay can profit by interest or increase working cashflow at our expense, one week away from tax deadlines and still they have no means to tell us how much income tax they added to our 1099......... the list goes on and on..

Again- I am not against MP- just the fact that it has been botched from the start- VITNAGECRAZY- dont forget that we are the customer.

[photojimaz]

Don't know if MP is good or not, just looking into it now. It just makes me laugh how some of the people that are posting positively for MP seem to take it really personal when someone else doesn't like it or even questions it.  Had a smiliar experience once when I posted something bad about Amazon Prime. This guy jumped all over me telling me how Amazon would be better off if I didn't buy from them and they wouldn't miss people like me.  He must have owned stock or something. 😁

[siamjane8]

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@photojimaz wrote:

Don't know if MP is good or not, just looking into it now. It just makes me laugh how some of the people that are posting positively for MP seem to take it really personal when someone else doesn't like it or even questions it.  Had a smiliar experience once when I posted something bad about Amazon Prime. This guy jumped all over me telling me how Amazon would be better off if I didn't buy from them and they wouldn't miss people like me.  He must have owned stock or something.

You will get to know a few user names like that and get used to ignoring them- they are paid employees left over from the Wenig cyber stalking days- ebay hates criticism so they pay "cheerleaders" to infiltrate the boards.   It was funny- literally the day they fbi indictments came out- about 10 known "cheerleaders disappeared for several months from the boards. a few are back but you'll get to know who they are and realize they are not interested in effect change or helping others- just arguing   

[outdatedrecreated]

Has nothing to do with payments, managed payments is just the final straw for many.

[yuzuha]

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@photojimaz wrote:

Don't know if MP is good or not, just looking into it now. It just makes me laugh how some of the people that are posting positively for MP seem to take it really personal when someone else doesn't like it or even questions it.  Had a smiliar experience once when I posted something bad about Amazon Prime. This guy jumped all over me telling me how Amazon would be better off if I didn't buy from them and they wouldn't miss people like me.  He must have owned stock or something. 😁

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It's funny how the people who seem to be the most vocal about how terrible Managed Payments are are people who aren't even in it, they're just going off what other people are saying about it.

I'm in it. Zero problems here, I like it much better than being stuck with PayPal.

[siamjane8]

         I see what you mean but isn't that the very basis for commerce?- ebay was started with feedback as a central tool for buyers and sellers to judge who provides a safe transaction and a good product.   Arent you willing to try a new restaurant because of a friends recommendation or great reviews or a "buzz" in the community?

    Don't you heed peoples advice when they say " never take your car to that dealership- they ripped me off?"

    Literally the list goes on and on......  Ebay completely botched this new payment plan. At its core, it is a one sided arrangement to solely benefit ebay and protecting the company from any responsibility while raking in more $.   Problem is, it does not do it by ingenuity or providing a more efficient product or anything like that- it does it by disadvantaging its sellers/customers in ebay aspect compared to Paypal in respect to managing payments.

    Of course people not in managed payments react and respond to it because it has such bad publicity with the people already in it. That is logical.     On the flip side- if a product is revolutionary and beneficial - its good reputation proceeds it as well. Like an new iPhone release for example- the buzz for that is so amazing because of the company's previous products and expected new products........ Unfortunately the same is true of Ebay.- for example, take a minute to look at the new unified listing tool if you can stand to add 3x the mouse clicks and time it will take you to list on a desktop now in exchange for a cosmetically "cleaner" look.

       If managed payment was better than paypal- the excitement for it would have been great. Its not better, its worse- so the publicity reflects that. Just the way it is.

[siamjane8]

Just did a return refund today and again the money is taken from my available balance today that should have been paid out tomorrow.   This is after that full amount has been on hold for 2 weeks already.  The hold does not cancel out but instead - I am out double the money for at least another 48 hours as per Managed Payments design........ Ridiculous as that is- the hold just released but only for a small portion of the total and not the whole amount.    How does this accounting even work?  I have had only 5 returns in MP but every other hold released for the entire amount as it should.    Called ebay and they started a ticket......

    Again- every friend or family member I talk to hears about the shortcomings of MP. ( I am human too- when something effects my life so adversely, I talk about it and warn others........ I remember the days of telling everyone I met to get on ebay because it was so great and you can find anything ! lol)) When their accounts

come up against the join or else messages- they remember that a full time seller can not even get satisfactory treatment or  service and has to spend hours on the phone chasing down our money.   Then they just give up and let their selling privilege's get suspended- game over -lost another seller and another buyer.