mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999
@muskingum_relics wrote:That is easy to define, it could be a seller that list 150 to 250 per month or less or a seller that uses the auction format ! It could be worked out somewhere in those numbers very easily without cramping anyones style including yours and ebays !! I do not have a selling staff nor would I want to ever need one. I collect indian artifacts and am a collector first ! Same as I am sure there are bottle collectors, marble collectors and so forth and all can be very valuable ! Hobbyist sellers are far more different than sellers selling 1000s of household goods and what nots per month or whatever but there are many 1000s of ebay sellers that do not want or need the big selling venue like amazon which ebay is clearly trying to copy and to me amazon sucks ! I will never buy or sell there !! However ebay could try to accommodate sellers needs more so than they do. I am tired of it always having to be about ebay !! What about what makes ebay for a change ? They are biting a lot of hands that do feed them !!! And to me that is **bleep**
Easy for you, others have different opinions. Why would whether or not a seller uses the auction format have anything to do with them being defined a small seller? What about sellers that do list 150-250 listings per month but each of those items are high end and have high end prices. Does that make them small sellers too?
I get what you are driving at, I simply don't agree with you. But I really don't think a lot of time devoted to this subject is useful as it is something Ebay is highly unlikely to ever do.
Some want to use the word "hobbyist" to mean something it doesn't. Hobby or not, every single transaction on this site is a business transaction, never a personal one. Some use that work because they then think it means their income wouldn't be taxable [I'm not talking about you], which of course is not true. Some think that if they don't run their money earned here through a bank account means that they don't have to claim the money earned here. Not true, but some do think that way.
I sell on both Ebay and Amazon, there is very little that is the same between the two sites. I know it is popular to compare the two sites, but in reality they are structured very differently. But it is a common thing to throw out there when talking about something someone doesn't like about Ebay.
With that said, Amazon has had their own payment system for a long time. It too functions much more like MP than PP. As does Etsy payment processing.
They aren't "biting the hands that do feed them" as most of us will stay and move into MP. Some will of course leave as some do every time there is a big change on Ebay. And it is their right to do so.
It could be that there are many of us that sell on more sites than just Ebay and therefore we have more experience with the payment processing programs on the other sites and we don't see as much difference between them as those that have never experienced other sites money processing policies.
PP is a hybrid wonder horse so to speak. IMHO they are awesome and I'm unaware of another payment processor on a site similar to Ebay that works equally or better than they do. So I get why some sellers are severely disappointed. It is hard to move down from that ivory tower to a payment processing program like MP. I really get that. It is just not unusual. What is unusual is a program like PP offers.
@buyselljack2016 wrote:
@grumpus_otter wrote:Thanks for the explanation--that doesn't actually sound that bad.
You said, "FVF is deducted at time of sale."
So you don't get that monthly invoice of all your fees at once? That would appeal to me.
And you can receive your money daily or weekly? That sounds fine, too.To expand on what corvette posted.
The "daily/weekly" payouts are for payments that have processed, and are cleared for payment.
Buyer payments take 1-2 days to clear. Daily payments of those cleared payments are done M-F. Once upon a time they were doing 7 day a week "daily" payouts, but as explained in other posts/threads banks/CU's apparently don't process ACH monies on weekends/Holidays so the Sat/Sun was pointless.
After getting many "daily" payouts of the payments that had been processed I chose to switch to weekly. My "weekly" (Tuesday) payouts show in my CU on Wednesday.
I can go to the "payments" tab to see what is processing/cleared/paid out, and what each payment is for. Currently your "payments" tab likely just take you to a page to read about MP.
And to expand on that if I may.
It is helpful to understand how that breaks down so you know what it is replacing. The Simplified fee format is the same for any category you may sell in.
2.9% Money Processing Fee
10.00% Ebay FVF
-0.55% Reduction in FVF
12.35% Total Fee
So the highlighted amount may change depending on the category you sell in and if you have a store or not, but the other two numbers are the same for all categories.
The Simplified Fee is calculation on the full amount of the US sale to include sales tax. It is however important to keep in mind that sales tax is no more than 10% of your US sale and many times is lower. Having a FVF on sales tax is new for us and I don't know anyone that likes it, I know I don't. But it is here and we have to deal with it if we are going into MP.
So keep in mind that sales tax is no more than 10% of your transaction amount which means that 90% of your FVFs is LOWER by 0.55%. This helps to offset the new FVF on sales tax, often times entirely. Of course there will be exception.
To get a clear view of what the Simplified fee is going to mean for you, you need to look at a lot more than one or two transactions. I personally compared my May sales for the differences between regular Ebay and the MP fees. I came up with I saved 0.71% on my overall FVFs for US sales. That was with 78% of my sales taxable and 22% not taxable.
For June I saved 0.83% on FVFs for US sales. That was with 82% of my sales taxable and 18% non taxable. For July I saved 0.76% on my fees.
@muskingum_relics wrote:I really do not care if you agree or not !! Is this not a thing for ebay itself to decide or think of ??? You are not ebay and neither am I but you seem to find a comeback or argument for anyone that opposes MP ! It is no skin off of your back so why would you really care !! Are you a ebay shareholder ? Ebay could accommodate the seller for a change whether you agree or not !!! The fact is ebay could impose 2 different selling platforms and it would be a fair thing for them to do and I am sure many thousands in the long run would agree !! Why does it always have to be about ebay ??? EBAY EBAY EBAY !!!!!!!!! What about the seller ?? Are you not one as well ??? Some people I guess do not mind being a follower but I like being a leader !! Ebay could if they have any fairness to them at all could do the right thing !! Yes I know you will not agree and you will have the answer !! But you can bank on the fact I will try my best to work on ebay in hopes they see the possibility of this !!
Arguments and facts are two completely different things. What you and I were doing when talking about what defines a small seller and this separate site you support for small sellers was simply a sharing of opinions and ideas, nothing more. What I have shared when someone asks a specific question about MP is the facts of how it works. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not as you aren't in the program nor do you have first hand knowledge of it.
When I'm expressing something that is an opinion or a personal experience, I say that. You just see everything that doesn't agree with what your ideas and opinions are as an argument, but one has nothing to do with the other.
I know you are disparately trying to find some reason to dismiss what I have to say by labeling me one thing or another. I understand that. It is unnecessary and serves no purpose.
LOL, well it is likely because Ebay owns this site. We choose to use the site or not. You don't have to be a "follower" because you make the choice to run part of your business here. That has been a very smart move for millions of sellers over the years. And for others, not so much. It is an individual decision. No right or wrong answer, each of us needs to do what is best for us at any given point in our lives. And in time things can change. If nothing else, this past several months have shown us that.
I think we are all well aware that you made your decision on what is right for you. Some of us would disagree with that decision only because you based your decision on second hand knowledge and never tried the program yourself. But still, that is your right to do, so I personally have no issue with it. I only have issue when you try to pass off some rumor or gossip as fact. And clearly you take issue when I post something that goes against what you want people to buy into.
For me, it does not matter what sellers stay or go due to MP. I am just a firm believer in making an informed decision. That is where our best decision will come from. And whether to sell or not to sell on Ebay can have a very significant impact to a seller's personal income. So it is a VERY serious issue. What is right for you may not be right for someone else. What is right for me may not be right for someone else. I respect that.
You have decided that MP isn't right for you. I respect that.
@muskingum_relics wrote:I thank you for the civil response ! I was good at ebay and I worked to do right by all of my buyers and took it seriously !! I do know this is ebays playground as some has labeled it !! My statements have not been gossip however but explained to me facts from long time friends whom I completely trust that has experienced MP first hand. I can assure you that they are not liars nor am I !! 3 of my friends have been on ebay longer than me and 2 of them have over 40.000 feed backs each ! Now to me that is experience ! One of them is closing the store they have because of the way MP has worked for them ! They also run 2 successful b&m stores so they know business very very well !! I go by what I hear from them ! All I hope for is for ebay to maybe at least tickle the thought of keeping the classic ebay open for certain types of sellers that prefer the non big business venue ! It should not matter how much an item of theirs sell for to be eligible to remain on the classic venue but how many items per month !! Something could be done like this and it would be a good a fair thing for ebay to do. The classic ebay is already there !! I also think this would be a great gesture and fair compromise !! In this high tech world anything is possible ! It is up to ebay !! I would like to see what they are made of for a change ! regards !
You seem to be taking this as some kind of personal affront to your record as a seller and it has absolutely nothing to do with that.
I get it, your friends have explained things to you. And they may or may not be correct. With some of the stuff you have said on the many threads you have been on talking about this, they haven't always given you the correct information. Whether that is because they misunderstand it or not I have no idea. Sometimes we hear what we want to hear so it can be a mixture of reasons.
Ebay has no need to compromise on anything. Like it or not, they have made their decision on MP. MP will grow and change in time. It has changed a lot over the last two years. So there is no reason to believe they are done.
If any of your friends want to come to the threads to see if any of us can help them through whatever tough times they have hit due to MP, we would welcome them here. There are some very seasoned sellers that have been in MP longer than I have that we could tag for their advice for them.
@muskingum_relics wrote:MP sucks and many are finding that out the hard way and I am glad I have stood back on the sidelines as it has been unfolding ! Here is what I see happening !!! Ebay is making the sellers business their own !!! And the payment delay is incredibly archaic for this day and age !! I am also proud to be one whether by myself or with others standing up to a big business policy crafted to only benefit the big business and basically @#$% the little guys !! And I feel sorry for the people that cannot see that this is happening to them !!! I know I am competent enough to not let ebay manipulate their way into being my boss in my business that I made and created and I will refuse to be a puppet for anyone !!!
As I tried to explain before, while sellers on Ebay that have only used PP aren't use to the processing time for payments, other similar sites with their own money processing programs it is the norm. So if it is "archaic", it is happening on other sites too. No one but PP has their processing so quickly. And actually PP doesn't have their process so quickly, they actually front the money.
As you venture out and try to discover where you want to sell you will realize this for yourself. Certainly there are smaller sites that don't have their own money processing programs you may choose, but your sales volume is likely to be quite different. Whatever you do I wish you well.
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