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der_adler1 · ‎06-17-2007

Attention dealers and collectors-The following listing was allowed to complete. http://cgi.ebay.de:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220118444429&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.de%3A8... Ebay has a responsibility to investigate the buyer and seller and assist in the prosecution of both to the fullest extent of the law....

daggerdenman · ‎06-17-2007

YES, they sure as hades DO! I'll bet they DON'T though! Feebay is in it for the money and I think couldn't care lsee about this. Well, I DO! Adam Henry's! Lloyd

maggie102548 · ‎06-18-2007

This is pretty much of an outrage and in very poor taste to sell a Medal of Honor on e-bay even if it in Germany. Who would we complain to? Col. USAR Ret.

daggerdenman · ‎06-18-2007

Col., Feebay is a UNITED STATES company for God's sake! The FBI has jurisdiction over such a crime is about all I can tell you Sir! FRANCE sued Yahoo because Yahoo was allowing the "hated symbol" to be sold to French citizens. The USA should go after Feebay I think! Lloyd PS: Poor taste indeed! The MOST Honorable US citizens earned that award, often through loss of their own lives so that Feebay could have the right to even BE in business!

psychopaff · ‎06-19-2007

Hi, I don't see what the problem is really, (I've looked at buying several), it's the same as buying an MM or a VC. But I agree that as it's an American law and an American company they should be reprimanded (however all Ebay co's are seperate entities within each country, so no jurisdiction unfortunately). Also seems a little hipocritical from ebay. Tom

knifefan0 · ‎06-19-2007

Just another example of feebays bottom line approach to seller ethics/morality. What an insult to our intelligence and how hypocritical. I don't read or speak German, so I am curious if the listing mentioned that the sale was illegal in the USA. They allowed the sale of the MOH, but won't allow the sale of Nazi items??

psychopaff · ‎06-19-2007

Exactly, the sale of the medal not bad, but it's the hypocriticallity (is that even a word?) of them thats annoying. Btw, it mentions that the sale is legal throughout Europe, but will not ship to US. T

psychopaff · ‎06-19-2007

"Ebay has a responsibility to investigate the buyer and seller and assist in the prosecution of both to the fullest extent of the law...." Why???? US law has no jurisdiction outside the US, it's like a US court trying to prosecute an 18 year old for drinking in France, its just not illegal there. Btw, if you investigate them, then you'll have to investigate all other sales in the UK, and I still can't see whats so wrong. T

daggerdenman · ‎06-19-2007

"and I still can't see whats so wrong". Here is the answer in a nutshell: Title 18, United States Code, Section 704 prohibits the unauthorized wearing, manufacturing or selling of all military awards. Violators of this statute face a fine of up to $100,000 and or imprisoned up to one year. It happens to be "The Law" and thats all that need be said. Laws need not be agreed with however they pretty well have to be obeyed or suffer the consequnces thereof. I remember years ago, bidding, but never winning, on MOH's in Manion's auctions. That was before it was illegal of course. I must agree 100% that Feebay is hypocrtical. It's the "bottom line" I guess. IF Feebay is an American company, I would think that they CAN be prosecuted for a crime committed by one of their segments overseas. I am not into International Law however. I know that France sued Yahoo and won! Lloyd

psychopaff · ‎06-19-2007

"and I still can't see whats so wrong". Here is the answer in a nutshell: Title 18, United States Code, Section 704 prohibits the unauthorized wearing, manufacturing or selling of all military awards. Violators of this statute face a fine of up to $100,000 and or imprisoned up to one year. It happens to be "The Law" and thats all that need be said. Laws need not be agreed with however they pretty well have to be obeyed or suffer the consequnces thereof. Response; It is only illegal INSIDE the US, outside the US your laws have no legal grounds, therefore the medal can be sold as often as the owner pleases. As it does not involve a US seller or buyer, the FBI can't do anything. I still say there is nothing wrong (other than being slightly hippocritical of ebay), I've looked at a couple of MOH's but never really bothered with them, I ended up spending my money on British groups. T

psychopaff · ‎06-19-2007

NB: As ebay say they are 'merely a venue' (and I believe Ebay europe is run and owned as a franchise). So I don't think they can do anything. T

daggerdenman · ‎06-20-2007

Oh well. That's a shame but what the hay! Lloyd

der_adler1 · ‎07-19-2007

Here is an interesting tidbit of info. The company that holds the government contract to manufacture the Medal of Honor - the nation's highest combat decoration - admitted Friday that it sold 300 unauthorized medals MEDALS - Military Engineering Data Asset Locator System MEDALS - Military Engineering Drawing Allowance Locator System (DLA) for $75 each. H.L.I. Lordship Industries Inc. of Hauppauge, N.Y., said it will plead guilty in federal court Nov. 4 to making unauthorized medals and pay up to $225,000 in fines. Under the plea bargain plea bargain n. in criminal procedure, a negotiation between the defendant and his attorney on one side and the prosecutor on the other, in which the defendant agrees to plead "guilty" or "no contest" to some crimes, in return for reduction of the severity of the charges, dismissal of some of the charges, the prosecutor's willingness to recommend a particular sentence, or some other benefit to the defendant., there will be no further prosecution of Lordship or any individuals, said its lawyer, Frederick Hafetz. Neither the FBI nor federal prosecutors would comment. In the 134 years since the award was authorized, 3,401 people have been awarded the Medal of Honor, most posthumously, for risking their life in combat beyond the call of duty. Hafetz said that a Lordship executive sold 300 unauthorized Medals of Honor to an individual for $22,500 from 1991 to 1994.

hajishack79 · ‎01-01-2008

As a soldier, I would actually feel better that someone who wasnt related to me was buying or selling my MOH (if I had one) other than a family member, thats who should be shot is the family member who gave it up in the first place.

der_adler1 · ‎01-01-2008

I agree that FeeBay has a responsibility to better monitor listings that violate US law. They have outlawed the sale of German militaria that violates foreign laws, so it is the least they can do. Unfortunately, they will fall back on their claim that they are "only a venue" and they can't be held responsible for what their members list. -- Der Adler Militaria Bryan Best-Owner