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Sniping reducing bids by buyers

I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping.

It's discouraging to know that if you bid high and someone snipes

the item,  you have no chance of winning.

 

The rules reassure buyers that they will have a chance to bid automatically,

but the auction is over and there is no time to enter an automatic bid.

 

So---why bid automatically?    It does not work.

Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher.

Not fair to "honest" bidders!

 

 

 

 

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What u call snipping is just bidding a higher amount at the last second. You lost the auction because your bid was lower that someone else. Period. That's all it is

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"I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping."

 

Thats probably for the best then. Smart bidders snipe.



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I don't believe that you under stand how automatic bidding works, nor how sniping works.  If you bid high, you will beat a sniper unless he bids more than you.

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Highest bid wins.

 

Whether it's an automatic snipe, a manual snipe, or the bid you put in last week.

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@funcrafter wrote: ... the auction is over and there is no time to enter an automatic bid....why bid automatically?    It does not work.

Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher....

 


A snipe is just a last-minute bid. Snipers do not have any secret special access to information about others' bids. Everybody knows when the auction will end, and everybody has the same amount of time to bid. The winning bid is the highest bid of course, which is not always the lat bid.  

 

"Automatic" bidding means that, whenever you bid, if you bid more than the minimum required amount eBay will use the extra amount to keep you in the lead as long as possible. You could outbid a sniper.

 

Sniping has been part of the bidding experience forever, so why does it suddenly bother you now?

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If the current bid on an item is $50 and you bid, for example $65, the following will happen.

 

Items in that price range have a bid increment of $1.00 So, if the current high bidders maximum bid happened to also be $50, the high bid would now be $51 (even if you bid $65) and you would be winning. If their maximum bid was higher than $50, it will increase their bid. If their maximum was lower that $65, it will put in your bid as $1 over that maximum, up to $65.00. It their maximum bid was higher than $65, it will raise their bid automatically to $66 (even if their maximum was $500), If it takes less than a $1 increment to reach your or their maximum bid, then it will just raise that bid to the earlier defined maximum.

 

So what this means is, if a sniper comes in at the last second and bids anything up to $65.00, you will still win. If they bid $52, it would automatically raise your bid to $53, timestamped for when you placed the original $65 bid. If they bid more than $65, well that was more than you wanted to pay anyway. $65 was your max.

 

Bidding your maximum bid as late as you can means that you don't give people time to nibble bid the price up. That's the other reason for sniping. I've put in max bids at the last moment for more than double what actually I ended up paying. If I had but it in earlier, someone would nibble it up. But if someone ELSE wanted it too, I might end up paying close to my maximum, or even not winning. But I wouldn't be upset, because I didn't want to pay more than what the item went for. 

 

That brings me to the final point. Taking my example above, If an item is currently at $52, and that's you and that's also your max bid, I come in at the end and bid $200. I win it for $53. You think i sniped it at the last minute and you lost it by just $1. You did not. You lost it by $148, but you would never see that. 

 

Bid once, bid the most you want to pay, bid as late as you can. 

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@funcrafter I like snipe bidding. Don't hate the player hate the game. 🤣
@funcrafter wrote:

I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping.

It's discouraging to know that if you bid high and someone snipes

the item,  you have no chance of winning.

 

The rules reassure buyers that they will have a chance to bid automatically,

but the auction is over and there is no time to enter an automatic bid.

 

So---why bid automatically?    It does not work.

Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher.

Not fair to "honest" bidders!

 

 

 

 


 

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@funcrafter wrote:

I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping.

It's discouraging to know that if you bid high and someone snipes

the item,  you have no chance of winning.

 

The rules reassure buyers that they will have a chance to bid automatically,

but the auction is over and there is no time to enter an automatic bid.

 

So---why bid automatically?    It does not work.

Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher.

Not fair to "honest" bidders!

 


What you need to do is to get a sniping app that allows you to set your bid info and forget. (time of bid and amount) Yes it does cost very little and if you buy allot of items by bidding, it is the best option that is automated.

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@funcrafter wrote:

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Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher.

Not fair to "honest" bidders!

 

 

 

 


No.  They canNOT "always bid higher".  The point of sniping, the ONLY point of it, is to not allow time for ANYONE to react to their bid being placed, INCLUDING THEMSELVES.  

 

Snipers are "honest".   They bid what they are honestly willing to pay.  They know they won't have a chance to rebid if they are outbid so they bid their TRUE maximum and either win or don't.  

 

Why would you call those who insist that they should be able to bid less than they are willing to pay and get a guaranteed rebid if outbid "honest"?

 

Sniping is a defensive tactic that is the best single defense against shilling sellers. You have no need and no right to know anything about my bid to be able to bid effectively.   Simply bid your TRUE maximum you are willing to pay  at the time of your choosing without regard to the "current bid" or what anyone else has bid or even MIGHT bid (except that someone else might value the item the same as you within a bid increment, so it's a good tie-breaker to bid a bit above the round number you most likely have in mind as a tie-breaker).  If you are the highest bidder at the end, the amount needed to outbid the next highest bidder will have already been figured into the price you pay, so there is no need to figure it into your bid amount.

eBay's auction format is what makes it fair to those in up to 24 timezones with different work/sleep/computer schedules. Anyone can bid what the item is worth to them at any time and anyone can set up with a third party (there are reliable and secure ones which offer free limited use) to submit that bid in the last few seconds to get the defensive benefits of not having one's hidden maximum out there for others (again, including shilling sellers) to probe or otherwise base their bids on. Making it so those who are able to be there to react at the end have the advantage would be unfair.

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@funcrafter wrote:

I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping.

It's discouraging to know that if you bid high and someone snipes

the item,  you have no chance of winning.

 

The rules reassure buyers that they will have a chance to bid automatically,

but the auction is over and there is no time to enter an automatic bid.

 

So---why bid automatically?    It does not work.

Snipers get instant information of the last bid and can always bid higher.

Not fair to "honest" bidders!

 

 

 

 


YOU had the SAME chance  as EVERY BIDDER to place your highest automatic bid before the auction ended.

What is not fair?

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You are approaching Ebay auctions in the wrong way.

 

You start by deciding what the item is worth and what is the maximum amount you want to pay for it.

 

You place a bid for the maximum you are willing to pay, either early or as a snipe bid - it does not matter.

 

In either case you will pay one bid increment above the next highest price.

 

If you do not know what an item is worth, or are trying to get an item for less than it is worth, you are likely to lose unless you have underestimated or someone else has a higher concept of its worth.

 

If you stop bidding, you will probably not be missed unless no one cares to bid for the items you would bid for.

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@funcrafter 

 

< if you bid high and someone snipes the item, you have no chance of winning >      

 

Change one word, change "no chance of winning" to "no chance of bidding again" ... The point of sniping is to not allow competitors enough time to react to the snipe. 

 

It's not the last bid that wins.  It's the highest bid that wins.  You're losing because you aren't bidding high enough.  That's it. 

 

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@funcrafter,

 

"I will probably stop biding on Ebay because of bid sniping.

It's discouraging to know that if you bid high and someone snipes

the item, you have no chance of winning".

 

How do you think a sniper feels when their snipe bid is immediately outbid by an earlier higher automatic bid?  Sure we are disappointed, but we placed a bid for the highest amount we are willing to pay, and let the chips fall where they may knowing we will not have time to bid again even if we want to. A sniper is never sure their bid will win an auction.

 

If your automatic "high bid" Was Not the most you were willing to pay, then you are misusing the Automatic bid system.  We bid late in auctions to keep the one or two increment at a time bidders, from nibble bidding the price up, or uncovering our automatic bid's price then retracting their bids, besides protecting ourselves from possible shill bidding. 

 

If you are unsure of how much an item is trending for, use the Advanced button to the right of the main Search button at the top of an ebay page. When the page opens type in the title of the item, select a Category, then check the Sold listing box and Search.  At the top of the sold listings page you can sort the results by All, Buy It Now, or Auction results.

  I use Time: ended soonest as the sorting order, to see the most current prices.

 

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@jameshen1 wrote:

I don't believe that you under stand how automatic bidding works, nor how sniping works.  If you bid high, you will beat a sniper unless he bids more than you.


Exactly. I've won auctions with bids I placed nearly 8 hours before the auction ended because I was going to be at work when it did.

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