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Feedback System Overhaul Needed

I've said it from day one, and I've used eBay since last century. The feedback system here sucks. First off, that little number next to your user name, that's not based on how many sales or purchases you make. That number is solely used for the amount of feedback received. Not everyone will leave feedback. I think the number of sales should be listed next to the sellers name. Feedback is important, but it says nothing for the total amount of sales. The amount of sales says more than feedback alone. If this isn't an option, then feedback should be mandatory before allowing people to make another purchase. And it could be a feedfack rating system, they can remain annonymous and don't need to type anything.

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Personally, I think the feedback system should be dropped entirely in favour of the number of successful transactions the member has participated in.

 

Bought 500 items- no disputes or claims-- FB as buyer 500

Sold 500 items- 10 returns w/o Dispute, 5 refunds with Dispute --FB as seller 485

Every transaction counted. Buyer opinion meaningless. Sorry buyers. If you don't like it, file the dispute.

 

I believe this would let eBay see how poorly some of the giant sellers treat their customers, particularly on very low value transactions where the buyer doesn't understand that FB will not result in action.

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I agree.  Feedback should be based on number and dollar of sales.  Not the number of people you can harass to leave you feedback.

 

And feedback for buyers should just die.  It serves no purpose, it has no value.

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Sadly, feedback is not the most important overhaul.  Too many liars and scammers have destroyed any good reputation this site had.

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@divwido wrote:

I agree.  Feedback should be based on number and dollar of sales.  Not the number of people you can harass to leave you feedback.

 

And feedback for buyers should just die.  It serves no purpose, it has no value.


Not certain I agree with dollar of sales.  Which is more of an indication of the type of seller they are.... 1 sale of $1,000 or 100 sales of $10.00

 

Buyer FB should just die.  Give'em a point for a transaction so they don't feel cheated.  You KNOW eBay is never going to completely give up that stroke.

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Any important eBay metrics are counted against your number of transactions not feedback.

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I think Ebay should do away completely with Buyer feedback.  Most sites don't do this anymore.  Ebay is one of the last ones to make this change.

 

As for seller FB.  That is certainly more complicated.  Seller FB is NOT representative of a sellers actual selling record.  It is a record of those customers that choose for one reason or another to post a public statement regarding the seller.

 

In my case, about 25% of my customers CONTROL my FB ratings.  Is is completely unfair to have the numbers so far out of wack from reality.  I have no problem with allowing buyers to leave FB, I just think the overall numbers should be divided by TOTAL TRANSACTION, not total FB left.  

 

I should be rated on ALL MY TRANSACTIONS, not on a small portion of my transaction.  That is NOT a clear view of my REAL rating as a seller.  It ONLY allows for a very small group of customers to have complete control over my FB stats.


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I also receive around 25% feedback from buyers. If I get a negative, the numbers make it look like a quarter of my customers were unhappy. but about 75% didn't say they were not! That's not counted in that number. There are many more transactions (all positive) than that number shows, leaving a false bad overall impression disappointed_relieved

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@troyzie  and others,

 

  "... That number is solely used for the amount of feedback received. Not everyone will leave feedback. I think the number of sales should be listed next to the sellers name. Feedback is important, but it says nothing for the total amount of sales. The amount of sales says more than feedback alone".

 

For some that could be a huge number, and numbers of sales alone doesn't say much. Mickey D's did that on their signs, but how many of the billions of orders, had the wrong items in them, or were hours old reheated food, or had other issues?

 

 If this isn't an option, then feedback should be mandatory before allowing people to make another purchase. And it could be a feedfack rating system, they can remain anonymous and don't need to type anything".

 

The underlined suggestion would not work. With a system like that, people could not make multiple purchases in a day, or over several days because they would not have not received their items yet. Not to mention the delivery time frames of international sales, so how could they be expected leave honest feedback for those purchases?  

 

As for a rating system, ebay had one, DSRs, and it was a hot mess. If it had been a true 5 star system, it might have worked, but ebay essentially turned it into a 2 star system (1-3) equaled negatives, 4s only served to lower the 5 star rating.  If a seller fell below 4.6 they were removed. eBay even used a glitch in the system, where as DSRs dropped off after 12 months, there would be a several day drop in the ratings before it readjusted.  Back in `12 or `13  ebay used that glitch to get rid of over 30K sellers.  A few of us remember the Purges.

 

As has been often repeated over the years, if feedback were to be made mandatory, that would mean transactions that weren't quite up to snuff would be rated and probably not positively, instead of offering a buyer the option of not leaving feedback. Those of us who post to these boards often have seen enough Neutral feedback that are clearly negatives, left by people who can't bring themselves to leave a negative feedback. 

 

The system may not be perfect and buyer feedback should be dropped maybe replaced by a transaction count, since is no longer a true indication of their reputation. The thing is what would honestly replace it? eBay's seller metrics are so stiff, that many sellers would get hurt by them, often because of conditions they can't control.  eBay's stated feedback policies seem to be ignored these days removals happening when they shouldn't, provable false negs allowed to remain, sellers bamboozling buyers out of their protections and ability to leave feedback.  Not to mention the ones who have started listing last estimated delivery times of 60 days or more. There just is not a perfect answer.  No seller feedback at all would open a door that could destroy the site.

 

 

 

 

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I disagree....Ebay should scrap the feedback system . Monitor complaints a buyer & seller gets and act accordingly. But the feedback system is a hoax as it now stands since allowing sellers to have their negs removed for any reason. I can no longer determine if a seller is good or not by looking at their feedback.
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The only reason I don't want feedback for buyers gone is because you know when they do that they'll throw out where you can see feedback left by the buyer too.   I don't want to lose that 

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If they do away with feedback it wont matter as they wont be able to leave feedback for a seller.If you have a problem file a complaint with Ebay for resolution.Dont need feedback if Ebay would weed out bad sellers & buyers.
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@etacarina11 wrote:
If they do away with feedback it wont matter as they wont be able to leave feedback for a seller.If you have a problem file a complaint with Ebay for resolution.Dont need feedback if Ebay would weed out bad sellers & buyers.

My post states if they do away with buyer feedback as some suggested.  If they kept seller and do away with buyer as they are suggesting it takes away a valuable tool 

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That scenario really does not make sense. If a buyer leaves feedback for a seller it will be on the seller's feedback.

the idea of being able to see the feedback left by a buyer is not buyer friendly. I would not want to lose the ability to look at feedback left for others. That can weed out a very bad buyer. Not often, but enough that I like that tool.

 

Radine

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@pargran3 wrote:

That scenario really does not make sense. If a buyer leaves feedback for a seller it will be on the seller's feedback.

the idea of being able to see the feedback left by a buyer is not buyer friendly. I would not want to lose the ability to look at feedback left for others. That can weed out a very bad buyer. Not often, but enough that I like that tool.

 

Radine


It doesn’t do any good to see it on the sellers feedback to weed out buyers though.  You can’t see the buyer id.  When you go to the feedback page of a buyer and click feedback left that’s the most useful.  I just figure knowing eBay if they get rid of buyer feedback they’ll get rid of that too and leave us in the dark on what kind of buyer we are dealing with 

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Amount of sales don't mean anything. For just one of countless example, a Chinese seller will rack up hundreds of positive feedback selling items to different people and buying items from themselves, then once they have enough feedback and time on ebay, they will list a high value item at a cheap price to lure people in thinking they are legit. Then run away with the money. Happens time and time again.

 

Nothing you can do with feedback will be good or perfect. The feedback system that's in place is indicative of the mindset of the person running it. Why do you see a thumbs up on these posts, but no thumbs down? It's because of this person's belief system that it's like that.

 

Whatever feedback system you think is better is only from your own biases and arrogance, which will then lead to people hating your system for reasons you couldn't possibly fathom because your way just has to be better.

 

I'd like to think most people don't need nor care for what the feedback system is, and in my experience, it holds true.

 

Also, the idea of making something mandatory shows just how arrogant you are, to force you own way on someone.

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