Any plans for fighting tariffs?

[meme6253]

These tariffs are going to impact all of us either directly or indirectly, I am curious if any sellers have a plan for fighting this problem outside of just surrendering & lowering your prices to ridiculous levels just to make a sale., It's going to be a tough road ahead, No Doubt!

[kh-stanley1]

Hi everyone,

Once again this discussion has gotten "a bit off topic".  Please bring the discussion back to subject established in the original post.

As previously advised, this section of the forum is headed:
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If you are looking for somewhere to discuss your political views, please look elsewhere

Thank you.

[toomuchstuffagain35]

Tbh, being as the tariffs thing has been enacted by the current POTUS it's a bit hard to separate the 2, but so far I don't see too many comments veering towards 'political' rather than 'how it affects us as sellers".

[gurlcat]

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@tarotfindsandmore wrote:

Yes, I would be for that.  What do you think those people were doing before their governments yanked them from their agrarian lives and forced them into factories 

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So you think those workers still have ancestral lands waiting for them to go back to and farm? 

You asked why the Left doesn't cheer them losing the jobs they have, even if exploitative.  I answered.   Not on behalf of the Left but of any human being who doesn't cheer mass famine and homelessness.  And I hate Pelosi so sorry, no smirk points for waving her around. 

[chariot_badges]

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@campanaelia wrote:

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@chariot_badges wrote:

This will affect everybody ... including you.

We're going to be uncomfortable for about six months ... maybe a year.

We're going to be ok.  

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Last time I read a post from you it was 6 mos, now it's maybe a year.

Will it be 18 mos. in a few more weeks?

I could imagine how patient you'd be if this was done by the dems

The past 4 years all I heard was complaining, and back then we had a growing economy , not a tariff apocalypse.

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That's a problem with you kids.   You want a date that this is going to happen.   

"On October 10, 2025 at 10:15 am, the recession will be over.  Interest rates will go down to 2%. Tariffs will be no more, and good will and peace will sweep the planet."

Nope.   Sorry.  My crystal ball is real foggy.

But, it is my opinion, that in six months we will start to see a change, and you'll feel a lot better.   The fever will have broken by then. 

In a year it will be even more evident.

In two years ... 

I been wrong before.   And on this issue ... nobody knows. 

I hope I'm right this time.  The stakes are bigger than your Ebay store.

What is your prediction?   Or, are you here only to present your fears?

That's ok, I for one will keep patting you on the back and reassuring you that all will be ok.  Come back here any time for a hug, ok?

But, really.   What do you  see in six months, one year?

[tarotfindsandmore]

Out of respect for those asking to keep this conversation on topic, I'm going to keep this short.  The people I'm referring to are NOT going back to lost "ancestral lands", they have families/communities currently living on that land (where do think their parents, grandparents, AND children are?).  The current global situation with the countries we're going to start tariffing hard began in the late 1970s, not 1870s. 

I would highly recommend you do some actual research if you can't travel and see for yourself what I'm talking about.

Oh and FWIW, I never asked anything.  I simply commented on the obvious hypocrisy that is clearly on display.

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@fbusoni wrote:

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@chariot_badges wrote:

This will affect everybody ... including you.

We're going to be uncomfortable for about six months ... maybe a year.

We're going to be ok.  

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Please tell me how you think this is going to affect me.  

You know, so I can be prepared. 

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It's all non Ebay related, maybe.

But, you'll be paying very high prices for things that didn't used to cost that much.

Much of our high tech chips will double in price.

I am concerned about the cost of Rx.  All the chemicals that keep me alive come from India.  It may not be directly tariffed, but the cost to ship it from there to here will go up, the cost of packing materials, handling ... my drugs will cost more (and yours if take any).  

The cost of fentanyl will go up too, but I don't take any of that. 

I am a real coffee junkie ... my coffee is going up, and it's not cheap now.  I may have to seek other sources for my daily caffeine dose.  

The cost of a good Canadian Rye Whisky will go up, if I can get it.  

Did the alternator in your car go out?   Uh oh.  That's gonna be expensive.  Look for used, rebuilt OEM.

The air conditioner in your home?  Needs a compressor?   Think it was expensive last month, just wait.  And, it may be that it's not a matter of cost ... it's a matter of can you get it?  Deflation.

Nobody will escape this. 

But, for all those needs above, I bet there's somebody right here on Ebay that can supply that part, either used and working well OEM, or refurbished right here in the USA in somebody's garage - and supply those needs at a reasonable price.

How do you prepare?   My advice to you specifically is to simply find a need and fill it.  You're kind of doing that right now with your question.  Your real questions should be ''How is this going to affect my neighbors, and how can I make things easier for them?   Can I supply that need at a profit?"

[gurlcat]

So you think there might be a RECESSION?  Wow.  There's a campaign promise I guarantee was never made.

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@farmalljr wrote:

In reference to the Tariffs: I find it VERY troubling that all the talking heads and experts defending tariffs keep saying "We think" "We believe" and "we hope" tariffs will be effective and 6-12 month we will POSSIBLY see results. 

Yea? What happens if it doesn't work? What happens if this things blows up into a melt down? 

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I gotta stop reading this thread.

I want to respond to every post.   OK, one more.

What would happen, @farmalljr if we did nothing?  THEN our economy would melt, and the USA as it exists today would cease.   Now, I understand that there's a lot of people out there (and on this thread) that would rejoice in that, but assuming that we want to keep our country, we have no choice.

If no action is taken and we stay on present course, we'll be toast in ten years.

Reference:  The Weimar Republic in Germany 1930. 

So, we do something instead of nothing because nothing is a sure bet.  If the plane is power diving into the ground, do you want the pilot to do something?  Or, should she just figure ... "Oh well, so far so good, I don't want to upset the passengers by pulling up too hard."  We are almost too low to pull up now.  

And, what's wrong with hope?   And faith?   Have you seen  historically, what America CAN DO?  We beat the odds routinely.   

PS: saying a prayer once in a while won't hurt either.

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@kh-stanley1 wrote:

Hi everyone,

Once again this discussion has gotten "a bit off topic".  Please bring the discussion back to subject established in the original post.

As previously advised, this section of the forum is headed:
Selling
Looking for something new to sell? Find out how to sell and connect with other members for advice.

If you are looking for somewhere to discuss your political views, please look elsewhere

Thank you.

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Uh oh.   I"m in trouble again.

But, consider this Your Honor ... Ebay sellers and Ebay itself does not function in a vacuum.   The issues we are discussing here are the same ones being discussed in the Ebay conference rooms right now.

Selling is, really, what we're talking about here. 

How to survive.  How to sell, what to sell, what to expect.

[tarotfindsandmore]

I think we're all (well all of us who don't lean left anyway) in trouble 😁

[meme6253]

Maybe you have no doubts, I have serious doubts.

[farmalljr]

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@farmalljr wrote:

Yea? What happens if it doesn't work? What happens if this things blows up into a melt down?  It's not inspiring or a confidence boost when experts are using words like believe, hope, and possibly to describe the result they THINK may happen. I'm as conservative as anyone could be, and even I see the disaster coming. 

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Then the tariffs will be removed.  The fact that the talking heads are using the language that you're complaining about means they're leaving open the possibility that you are considering, despite the fact that history shows the opposite.

https://www.usfunds.com/resource/the-surprising-history-of-tariffs-and-their-role-in-u-s-economic-po...

The Smoot Hawley Act of 1930 failed because of the retaliatory tariffs put in place by the rest of the world, which interestingly, have not only continued but increased despite the U.S. removing its tariffs.  As it stands, the world is tariffing the hell out of us now, but we get nothing in return.  The current move(s) are the precisely the opposite of what happened in 1930.

ETA: If you think I'm mistaken, take a look at the duties (tariffs) from around the world in 2015 (pre-OrangeManBad)

https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/tariff_profiles15_e.pdf

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America 2025 is not anything like America 1913. Remove the tariff? LOL, and were Trump's last tariffs removed by his administration or the next one?  Nope. It was extra TAX REVENUES, and when does the government, state or federal, ever roll back taxes? Almost never. 

Everyone wants "jobs" back. Just not the ones that pay low wages, are dangerous and dirty, grueling hard work, or pollute the environment. You know, the jobs that left the country. We "take advantage" of foreign labor, but the order taker at McDonalds is being taken advantage of, if you aren't paying them at least 20 bucks an hour. Oh, and half the country must be unemployed too, right? Because millions of jobs must mean we have many millions of people standing in line looking for a job too, right? Consumers want cheap/affordable. No one is rushing into to pay the local baker 20 bucks for a loaf of their bread. Everyone cries about eggs at 5 bucks a dozen, but FEW people are willing to buy them from a local farmer or backyard chicken keeper unless they are LESS than store prices. 

Nah, I'm not cheering for any political side of the isle. I'm looking out for me and my community and my country. Some millionaire/billionaire that doesn't even know what it's like to shop for groceries or cook their own food, is far too disconnected from reality for my likes.  Orange man isn't bad, they are ALL bad.

In other words, breaking the backs of the average Joe with tariffs, is just not going to help eBay sellers at all.  I realize the motivation for the tariffs, and I want to see jobs stop leaving and coming back too. But reality is our population is shrinking, not growing. And if we bankrupt the average person, we sabotage our economy that is BUILT on consumer spending. No spending, no economy. 

[meme6253]

And the right was completely opposed.

[tarotfindsandmore]

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@farmalljr wrote:

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@farmalljr wrote:

Yea? What happens if it doesn't work? What happens if this things blows up into a melt down?  It's not inspiring or a confidence boost when experts are using words like believe, hope, and possibly to describe the result they THINK may happen. I'm as conservative as anyone could be, and even I see the disaster coming. 

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Then the tariffs will be removed.  The fact that the talking heads are using the language that you're complaining about means they're leaving open the possibility that you are considering, despite the fact that history shows the opposite.

https://www.usfunds.com/resource/the-surprising-history-of-tariffs-and-their-role-in-u-s-economic-po...

The Smoot Hawley Act of 1930 failed because of the retaliatory tariffs put in place by the rest of the world, which interestingly, have not only continued but increased despite the U.S. removing its tariffs.  As it stands, the world is tariffing the hell out of us now, but we get nothing in return.  The current move(s) are the precisely the opposite of what happened in 1930.

ETA: If you think I'm mistaken, take a look at the duties (tariffs) from around the world in 2015 (pre-OrangeManBad)

https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/tariff_profiles15_e.pdf

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America 2025 is not anything like America 1913. Remove the tariff? LOL, and were Trump's last tariffs removed by his administration or the next one?  Nope. It was extra TAX REVENUES, and when does the government, state or federal, ever roll back taxes? Almost never. 

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We did it in the 1930s.  I am 100% certain that if things go as you predict, the current administration will be voted out at the next opportunity and all of the tariffs will be rolled back at that point.  So basically, you have 3.5 years at most, that you will have to remain in this state of panic.  Honestly, as an independent, if you are right, I will vote for the other side.  I don't care who is running the show, I just want it to go on...and not in the way that is has been for the last four years.

The country endured the dementia patient and the drunk for four years, even in the face of 29% inflation.  We got over it and, with the exception of the disgraceful actions of 36 morons on 1/6, the right basically handled it with a certain degree of resignation, if not acceptance.  Now it's time to hand over the reigns and try out a new framework.  I'm not especially fond of Trump, but I abhor what the left has done to this country, and I am entirely open to virtually anything other than what they have to offer.

You did raise one other interesting point btw.  The left did not roll back Trump's previous tariffs.  Why do you think that is?  If they were the nightmare that the leftist kooks are decrying them to be, why weren't those tariffs removed when the left attempted to demolish every other policy enacted by OrangeManBad? Not a word was spoken about them.

[cardxcraft]

What matters is Trump's tariff plans, not the experts and talking heads, as you put it.  Trump's admin is not saying, we think, or this may or may not happen.  Trump has been emphatic with his tariff goals, which he should be, as they're working as intended. 

Tariffs are a tool, in this case, primarily being used to prevent the practice of domestic companies manufacturing their products in cheap, overseas markets and selling back to the domestic market (offshoring), incentivizing reshoring and foreign corps building in USA, and as a bargaining tool with foreign nations.

1.  American (USA) companies are reshoring and will continue to do so as they have no choice, rightfully so.

2. Foreign companies that want to do business here in USA must build here, hard stop.

3. Trillions of dollars have, are and will be invested here, with millions of good paying, full-time jobs.

4. The increased wages and infrastructure investment will lead to a better quality of life and higher standing of living, thereby offsetting increase costs (normalizing), in a reciprocating, cyclic manner.

5.  Jobs report for last month: 228,000 new jobs.  The lost government jobs were intentional: an economy built on government jobs is a failing economy, lacking innovation but rife with waste and bureaucracy.

6. It's working!!!  Be optimistic, we have trillions of dollars of new investments with tons of new jobs in $25-$45/hr range.  The increased prosperity will lead to more community investments and small business openings, which in turn furthers prosperity.  There's no downside, for us. 

The globalists own the news agencies, which in turn are broadcasting doom and gloom because they're about to lose their golden goose.  Turn in it off and focus on opportunites and improvement.