07-04-2024 02:38 PM
Dear eBay Support Team,
I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to express my deep dissatisfaction with a recent experience on your platform that has raised serious concerns about the fairness and transparency of your practices.
Recently, I listed a basic watch on eBay for $2,700. To my surprise, the item sold for a mere $720. After eBay’s fees, I was left with only $410 in my account. This significant disparity has led me to question the integrity of your platform, especially when considering the potential consequences of listing high-value items such as gold products with diamonds.
As a trial, I used eBay to assess its viability for my business, and this experience has been eye-opening. I am thankful that I chose to test with a less valuable item first. I shudder to think of the financial losses I might have incurred had I listed more expensive items from my inventory.
It is disheartening to encounter such challenges. My attempts to delist the item were unsuccessful, and reaching your customer support for assistance proved futile due to unhelpful pre-recorded messages. This lack of support and transparency is unacceptable.
I come from an esteemed background, being the nephew of a Northeastern University business school professor, and we plan to collaborate on this incident as a case study for future students. I will be sharing this experience openly with my colleagues and the public as an example of modern-day theft and the challenges of using eBay for high-value transactions.
While I harbor no ill will towards eBay, it is imperative to highlight these issues to prevent others from experiencing similar frustrations. As a US-born world citizen with an extensive background in the luxury watch and jewelry business, operating in major cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dubai, Istanbul, and Hong Kong, I have decided to move my business to Amazon, where I hope to find a more transparent and supportive environment.
I urge you to address these concerns promptly and take necessary measures to ensure fairness and transparency for all users. Your immediate attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
(Disclosed)
07-04-2024 02:51 PM
I would hope with your esteemed background you would know this is not a "Dear Abby" forum.
As an American world citizen to another, Happy 4th!
07-04-2024 02:55 PM
So you just jumped into selling an expensive item without checking to see what the fee's would be and it's all Ebays fault.
07-05-2024 05:16 AM
Not toys, but I'll play.
Lower your standards.
So when something ends well in your favor, you are pleasantly surprised instead of being disappointed in the outcome.
07-05-2024 05:26 AM
When I look at that listing, you appear to have started it at $116.00.
07-05-2024 08:00 AM
@Anonymous,
First you need to know, that the community is not an ebay support team. We are buyers and sellers who volunteer to help other members who have issues.
"Recently, I listed a basic watch on eBay for $2,700. To my surprise, the item sold for a mere $720".
You listed the watch with a $116 starting price as an auction. When you do that you run the risk of not getting the price you hope to get. That happens with any auction. If you did that because ebay would not let you as a new seller, list the watch for more, it was because they place limits on New seller's listings for how much they can sell items for at first.
"As a trial, I used eBay to assess its viability for my business, and this experience has been eye-opening. I am thankful that I chose to test with a less valuable item first. I shudder to think of the financial losses I might have incurred had I listed more expensive items from my inventory... As a US-born world citizen with an extensive background in the luxury watch and jewelry business, operating in major cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dubai, Istanbul, and Hong Kong, I have decided to move my business to Amazon, where I hope to find a more transparent and supportive environment".
When you started your business, did you just jump in, or did you go through the process any successful business person would go through. Investigating business overhead, financing, location selection, customer demographics... ad infinitum?
When you want to start selling on any site, you have to go through the same process, somewhat modified, to be successful on ebay or any other 3rd party online listing site. It can take hours to read through all of the Start Selling information, but it is necessary. There is information about ebay's fee schedules by category, setting reserve prices, how payments will be made and when you will receive payments and a lot of other things you need to know. Did it occur to you to test the ebay waters with an even lower cost item at first?
To you a $2,700 watch may be "less valuable item" but to many, that would be considered a high value item. You may be disappointed with the price you received for the watch, but you are asking people/potential customers to TRUST a new seller that has no reputation or feedback as it is known on this site, for them to look at to see if you have experience with high end watches.
I do not know what you expected from ebay other than providing you with a site that has a very broad buyer base, and a great auction feature, and that is not Free, and is much less expensive than an auction house will be.
However, considering the number of scams there are with online shopping, you have to expect experienced buyers to be wary of bidding on an auction, with a low starting price, from a seller with (1) feedback for a purchase not for selling. That is how many scams start out. If you think you will do better listing high end items for a fixed price on Amazon, you may have a surprise in store. Again you will be a seller with no reputation for buyers to see.
Rather than give up on ebay, why not do a little more research.
On most ebay pages to the right of the main Search button, you will see Advanced. When you click on that you will be taken to a page where you can search for similar items that you are considering selling, that have sold on ebay in the last 90 days. On the search results page you can filter the item results, for the item(s) you have, that have sold as Auctions or as Buy It Now open the listings to see which option returned the best prices. Screen shots below
Opening the listings and looking at how the sellers who got the best prices, constructed their listings can give you an idea of how to set up yours.
One thing that is a must for a used item, no matter how well cared for, is an actual description mentioning if there are any even minute flaws. You get 12 photos to use, and if there is even a minor flaw it should be photographed. There is an unwritten rule for being a successful ebay seller and it is:
Describe all items as if there are no photos, and photograph them as if there is no description.
Giving up on ebay after only one try, is foolish. Why not try listing lower cost items at first, to build a reputation? You could start with custom bands, or other watch accessories, to build a seller reputation, which includes leaving feedback for your buyers. How and when you do that is up to you, but since ebay's money back guarantee (MBG) only protects buyers for up to 30 days, you can wait until that day passes and leave feedback unless the buyer leaves a positive first, then you should respond in kind immediately. Work your way up and when you become a Top Rated seller there are discounts and other perks you will receive, including a better search position.
Another thing you can do is to take advantage of this community. There are many long time sellers who can and will help you, on the Selling board or for more help in the watch category mouse over the Item Categories tab and select Watches to post on that board.
07-05-2024 08:27 AM
"Recently, I listed a basic watch on eBay for $2,700. To my surprise, the item sold for a mere $720."
You may have listed your item with a BIN (buy it now) price of $2700, but having listed as an auction, you risk selling (and being obligated to follow through) on whatever the highest bid is should a buyer not do the BIN.
"After eBay’s fees, I was left with only $410 in my account."
If you didn't do your homework by reading and knowing what the fees would be, that's on you.
"This significant disparity has led me to question the integrity of your platform"
Question the integrity? Ebay is totally transparent! Again, not knowing how auctions work and what the fees would be was your mistake in not reading the TOS.
"My attempts to delist the item were unsuccessful, and reaching your customer support for assistance proved futile due to unhelpful pre-recorded messages. This lack of support and transparency is unacceptable."
Had you tried to end your auction early, you certainly could have done that but again, had you read ebay's fees policy, you would have known that ending the auction (with bids) early would still have cost you the same fees you paid for ending with a winning bidder. (Sellers who end listings early when the bidding isn't high enough are penalized because ebay assumes that you either chose to save fees by taking the sale off-site or that you weren't willing to pay a reserve fee and instead chose to end it early. Either way, it's a no-no per ebay and it costs you.)
But again, there's no lack of transparency; it's in the TOS.
"I come from an esteemed background, being the nephew of a Northeastern University business school professor, and we plan to collaborate on this incident as a case study for future students. I will be sharing this experience openly with my colleagues and the public as an example of modern-day theft and the challenges of using eBay for high-value transactions."
Although NU is a great college, it's not Harvard Business School and before embarrassing yourself among your colleagues, you might want to speak to your uncle/aunt before using this "incident as a case study."
No one pulled the wool over your eyes, nothing you found out after the fact wasn't disclosed and any mistakes made were on you.
07-05-2024 01:58 PM
First of all, it makes no difference what kind of "esteemed background" you come from. Albert Einstein's great granddaughter could make the decision to sell on eBay and, if she didn't bother to educate herself on how it works, she could suffer the same fate that you did.
When you esteemed relative decides to use your experience as a case study for future students, the error made here by the seller should be emphasized. Plan to do that?
07-05-2024 05:55 PM - edited 07-05-2024 06:03 PM
07-06-2024 07:33 AM
@Anonymous,
I didn't reply about your statement yesterday:
"I come from an esteemed background, being the nephew of a Northeastern University business school professor, and we plan to collaborate on this incident as a case study for future students. I will be sharing this experience openly with my colleagues and the public as an example of modern-day theft and the challenges of using eBay for high-value transactions".
I seriously hope your uncle is smart enough to look deeply into the incident, before making a fool of himself by using it as an example of "theft" by an online site. If one of his students were to investigate eBay's Start selling information, policies, their fee schedule, and your auction listing, someone would be eating a lot of crow, as a cold plate.
Your uncle would do better to use this as an example of what one should do, before listing items on any online shopping site.
07-06-2024 03:17 PM
ah, the 'Prince of Siam' story makes a return.....
07-06-2024 03:25 PM
I'm sensing danger and am sure you will take the right action.
07-06-2024 03:28 PM
You started the auction at $116
Bidding went to $720
ergo you do not get $2700
07-06-2024 03:44 PM
You listed an auction, it got a lot of bids, it topped out and sold at $720.
Ergo (get it? Ironic, huh?) that is the market value of the item, at least right now on this platform. Congrats on your sale!