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How to prevent ebay and the buyer from defrauding me?

Buyer takes product and gets full refund with fraudulent return. Ebay cs explicitly doesn't care about facts I can prove. They want me to make a claim against usps when I know the fraud is by buyer based on return of box emptied of my item by buyer.

There are no ethics with buyer nor ebay.
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Its a shame but you have to be very leary of who you're selling to.  It cost me $300 last year in a return that I believe the recipient broke the machine got the claim through ebay and then resold my machine.  Always take out insurance if it's a valuable item and if you feel like a person is a risk, they probably are.  I had a woman try and put a case on me for not sending her shoes when she won the shoes and I had to open and won a case against her for non payment.  Did she not know she didn't pay?????????  Be careful.

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Hello,

I have only been selling since about early December, and this is my first post in a community forum. Here's my take on this:

 

CS is ALWAYS  the first line of problem solving and COMPANY DEFENSE. I used to work for Sprint and I know how these people operate. A company like Sprint and eBay have so many first liner people working inbound calls and they are only operating from a script or list of customer questions and eBay's canned or prepared in advance response to the customer. All these call centers are staffed with these first liners probably in different groups. Not sure how many people would be in a typical group, but each group has a manager, who also reports to their manager who has a manager... and so on.

 

I have learned over the years that if you do not get an answer or resolution in your favor, I ask to speak to either a "floor manager" or that person's manager. Before putting there manager on the line, they put you on hold then relay your problem to the manager so the manager will be prepared with responses. If I don't get my issued resolved, especially when it comes to a billing or money issue, I will go up the chain of management for these people until I get it resolved. If it's a couple of dollars, no big deal, if it's a large amount, I keep going until I either "win outright or partially win" with the resolution in my favor. Always get that CS rep's first name and her number. In my exerience at Sprint, anytime an employee looked at a customer's account, their initials and assigned number showed up as some part of the list of entries for that customer's account. If a change to the person's account was made whether it was a change to an address or a refund, the Sprint employee's numer is part of that account list of entries.

CS reps will not likely always put you off with refunds most likely unless it's a small dollar amount refund that they can refund on thier own. The manager also has a limit on how much she can refund and it goes on up the ladder.

 

I would go up maybe a couple of levels of managers until I get the refund. If you have all the facts, then hopefully it will work out in your favor whether you go through the resolution center or not.

 

I hope this is helpful, I tend to overwirte but try to help out. One question I have though. How did you send the item to the buyer initially? Did you do a calculated weight or flat rate? If calculated rate, then you know how much your box weighed before sending it out. If I understand your situation, the buyer shipped the box back empty. Check to see if she used a calculated rate or flat rate. If calculated then the weigh of the box will be much less.  Good luck.

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Thanks!

Flat rate.

I went one level and got stonewalled. You're right I should have gone further.
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I have asked on occasion what that manager's role is in making billing decisions. With the way ebay is set up, I'm guessing CS managers don't budge on these issues. It's the resolution center's CS rep that you will probably have to go up the manager level if you don't get your money back. Make notes of their conversation with you if you can, get their name, record the date and time of your conversation with them. I learned the hard way, too. I had a $2000 claim with my insurance company. It took them over 9 months to decide to give me the money. They let it drag on and on. But I had all my notes from CS calls.

 

Did the buyer send it back flat rate or calculated rate? Probably flat, but if not, then you can get the weight of the box which will be next to nothing since no items were sent back.

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Wow, thats really smart thinking about the weight. It never would have occurred to me, good to know in case I ever face a similiar issue (knock on wood.)
As for posters fraud buyer, Im sorry to hear that. These stories make me so mad when I hear them. Everytime I start to trust ebay as a seller a little bit I hear another disheartening tale of a seller getting screwed and ebay not even looking at the evidence.
This week, however, I got a bit of a view from the otherside so to speak.
I am a collectibles collector (and seller) and recently purchased a fairly expensive doll from an Amazon seller. The expected delivery date passed so I contacted the seller since the tracking number showed no information. The seller said their postal agent had shipped to the wrong address and they were attempting to recover the item. He was friendly and offered a refund and if he recovered the item hed offer it to me again at the same price. I accepted and he said hed process the refund straightaway. A week goes by and no refund, so I contact again. No amswer. All of a sudden the seller gets about 14 feedbacks all negative, all scammed like myself from the same week. Seller doesnt have 1 dingle successful tramsacgion or feedback. I file an amazon a to z claim and 2 weeks later they are "still investigating" before issuing any refund.
Whats there to investigate? Seller high tailed it and isnt answering, 14 people didnt get their item purchased a month ago, I have seller agreeing to a refund on amazon messaging, and they say they will reach a decision by april 14?!! **bleep**?!
All of a sudden I GREATLY appreciate ebays attention to this sort of thing, id have my money back in 24 hours under those circumstances on ebay.
As a seller I certainly wish they were more balanced in looking at evidence before rendering judgement, but as a burned buyer this week I understand what they are attempting to avoid, the loss of buyers.
I understand that not all sellers are like that but even still I dont want to shop on amazon anymore, the experience has left such a bad taste in my mouth.
Again, I fully support you and any other seller who gets screwed over on ebay, Im jist saying I got a little peak into the other side of the equation this week and I do now understand some of the viewpoint they base policy off of.
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P.s. please forgive my misspellings in prior post, I was typing fast on my phone. Thats very unlike me, Im usually a stickler for clean postings and am unhappy with it upon reread lol.
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