07-25-2011 09:59 PM
Soviet Union is known to be the country with most supported chess playing activities for over than half-century, a kind of a chess-paradise. This of cause caused manufacturing a lot of different chess sets by hundreds of factories. Did anybody go deeper into this aspect? Do any catalogs exist for this area?
10-14-2011 03:10 AM
'Grossmeisterskiye' chess set in good order: 110758204487
Made in the 1980s or later and quite good for play. Not rare, though, and already overprized at $75.00.
10-16-2011 07:46 AM
Kristjan,
110758204487.
It's at over $250 as of the moment! I would not mind owning or playing with that set, but I will not be bidding (currently has 6 bids).
The seller states, "The set is complete (32-pieces), and has a glossy varnish finish." Unless I have missed it, I do not see any verbal description of the material.
So, I assume it is a wooden set and not plastic? It is so shiny, it appears to be plastic. However, another aspect gives credence to a "wood" material (The knights' heads, which are slightly but noticeably different in color and shine. We see that in other wooden sets too. Right?)
John, Vt.
10-16-2011 08:14 AM
It is heavily laquered wood. The finials and Kn heads are plastic.
10-16-2011 10:32 AM
Now, I find that wood-plastic combination to be interesting. It reminds me of some of the older, vintage, wood and (small) bone Mexican sets (not as far as style, but as far as material used to some degree.)
The knights in those vintage Mexican sets, to which I refer, are often made of a hard plastic. The following knight heads appear to be bone or even possibly wood.
However, I am sure I have seen such knight heads made of plastic (like the wood and plastic combination of the Russian set you just mentioned.) In fact, I used to have such as Mexican set where the knight head was a molded plastic (at least that is what it appeared to be to me). I gave it away as a gift to a fellow chess collector who occasionally appears on these ebay CC threads.
John. PS: it was not my intenet to divert attention away from Russian / Soviet Chess sets. My intention here was to expand a little bit on the topic/issue of plastic knight heads in a chess set with (essentially) otherwise wooden chess pieces.
11-13-2011 12:37 AM
180753594833
I think that this "Sorrentoware" box is Soviet, but I am not sure. Pieces look like that.
11-22-2011 11:52 AM
270858671955
A fairly common Soviet set. Properly dated and described but vastly overpriced.
11-22-2011 03:46 PM
Dancing with Volves, (Kristian),
Regarding 270858671955. Any idea of what you think a decent price range would be? I myself have no idea about these types of Russian / Soviet sets.
John.
11-23-2011 12:17 AM
About 40 USD, I guess.
11-23-2011 02:15 AM
Something that I have noticed with quite a number of sellers, east of Europe is the high shipping cost.
C O S + CP = R C P .
Perhaps the seller who offers pretty fair minded descriptions,and superb photos, forked out a significant sum, for the set's postage in the first place.
This is why collectors should seriously consider the Cost of Shipping, as in many cases it is not refundable. It can both ways exceed the cost of the set,
With misdescribed but contestable descriptions from the sellers view point,, this can be pretty significant, and with heavy items a disaster,if the buyer is on a limited budget.
11-23-2011 04:48 AM
It certainly has been noticeable - although some international S&H quotes from the US have been very high of late! I'm not clear as to how far this simply reflects postal rates themselves, or a sellers wishing to be paid for his time/effort. If it is due to their own acquistion S&H costs - that is unreasonable: its a 'dead' cost.
EBay has protected itself, I believe, from 'value/profit' shifting to the S&H charge, but not the purchaser if all goes wrong.
Clearly, S&H should be taken into account by a buyer in deciding what to bid - although this puts the overseas buyer at a disadvantage, as his 'net of S&H' high bid would then always be less than a local's. But, it's perhaps unrealistic for any buyer to assume the worst and factor in a double S&H - there would then be very few sets one would bid on internationally.
The reality, is that if you want a set, you have to 'grin and bear' the risk of these costs; but, take note and do all you can to avoid mistakes. I was caught out earlier this year but, thankfully, not a terible cost.
11-26-2011 11:31 PM
My late reply to:
I just purchased a Soviet set made in Belorussian town of Bobruysk by the Mebel'naya Artel' im. Osipenko (Obllesdrevpromsoyuz, Rabochaya 22). The factory exists today as well under slightly different name. Could anybody help to date the set or has seen another like it? Most probably it dates to 1950-1970 but might have been made in the 2nd part of the 1940s as well.
I think from the picture I see that they are 1940s or 1950s but to be more certain, need closer image of the box...
The word on the box Обллесдревпромсоюз (Complicated abbreviation of Soviets in Russian language on wood manufacturing) brings us to earlier period, when such abbreviations were popular. I would not be much surprized if it were 1930s either.
11-26-2011 11:34 PM
Word "WAXMATbl." is a parody to russian meaning word of CHESS... the correctcyrillic is ШАХМАТЫ
11-27-2011 10:40 AM
I hope I didn't do anything offensive with my 'parady' of the Russian language. I was simply trying to recreate, with what means I had available, the word appearing on the cover of my chess set. My apologies if my efforts came up short or improper somehow.
11-27-2011 04:07 PM
Bulkcover, what details of the box should I get in the additional pictures? Or do you need a better image of the label?
The eBay system has a limit on file size. I could send it to you by e-mail but I do not have your address.
11-30-2011 10:04 PM
You can send me the better image of the label of the box. Also if You can describe me the quality of the cardboard itself it would do well.. The pre-WWII Soviet cardboard is far much better quality than just after the war. Drop me the images to bulkcover@hotmail.com