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What steps do you take when buyer returns incomplete items or no items?!?

Hi there - 

 

Firstly, thx for anyone who's going to take the time to read this and share some wisdom with me.

 

I buy on ebay mostly, and sell rarely.  I recently sold some Tiffany earrings.  They are genuine Tiffany's as I bought them myself and have been the only owner.  

 

A month after the sale, I get a note from ebay (and buyer) that they are not authentic and buyer wants to return.  At first, I was super angry and upset because, well, basically I am being called a liar, and no one likes that, right?  But I calmed down and realized, well, it's hard for me to prove authenticity - no one can actually read my mind to know that I'm tellling the truth and I'm not going to hire an "expert" to authenticate these, am I?  

 

Also, I read enough from google searches and these forums to realize there's really no way to win against buyers who make this type of claim, so I accepted the return and am waiting for shipment back.

 

But the thought occurs to me... what happens if the buyer sends back only 1 earring?  (She originally told me she is buying because she lost one of the pair she had.)   Or she returns the earrings, but none of the other things (like Tiffany pouch or box?)  What if the box is empty?  

 

What steps do I take?   Do I open the box with cameras rolling or with a witness present?  Will any cautionary steps even matter?    

 

I must say, this experience has been pretty negative.  I don't think I'll be buying or selling on ebay much after this.  I can't imagine what difficulties sellers who actually need to sell on here to make living must go through.   😞

 

(As an aside, I'm sad that my time on ebay is coming to an end.  Back in the day when buyers were rated, my rating was off the charts, I paid quickly and can honestly never remember returning anything.  (EDIT: sorry, typing so fast I forgot buyer still get rated, not can't negative rate them... I never got a negative rating when it was possible!) And the rare times I've sold items, I've always had happy buyers - I'm really **bleep** about taking good care of my stuff, so they were usually giddy that they were getting things in nearly new condition at severe discounts.  But if ebay never steps in to protect sellers, why would I ever sell here again?)

 

Thx for reading, I appreciate any insights.

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Wow, I could have written this! First, your concern is a warranted one. As other sellers will tell you, there is NO SELLER PROTECTION on eBay. EBay is for the buyers. Yes, it is true. I know. I just learned this firsthand. 

I just had this issue happen to me. I'm mostly a buyer, 99.9% of the time, I shop on eBay. Then every few years or so, I sell some things I no longer need or have room for. This time I sold an electronic Monopoly game. It worked for the few years i had it. It worked when I listed it for sale, and again it worked when I sent it to the buyer. She had it for three nights. She said on the first night the sound worked. Everything was fine, then on the 2nd night there was no sound. On the next day, she went out and bought new alkaline batteries, but still no sound. She began a return request via eBay. Though, eBay suggests buyers and sellers work things out and contact them only if needed, she didn't contact me. I thought I had no choice. I'm a buyer, usually. I accepted the return. eBay said once I get the return, check it and make sure everything is correct and fine BEFORE issuing a refund.  Of course, I received the return incomplete because the buyer didn't send the hard copy operating instructions. to protect myself, I phone ebay and spoke to four different persons, including  two in Mediation and a Return Specialist who advised me that I could choose to "wait for the return of instructions and then issue a refund" which I chose to do. But what eBay told me and what they actually did were two different things. They issued a FULL REFUND to the buyer and I am still waiting for return of the instructions, as well as seeing pigs fly in the sky. I appealed the case while on the phone with a mediation specialist. The Appeal specialist (and I use the term loosely because there is no actual opportunity to appeal anything. eBay made the decision and it stands.) at first wouldn't even speak with me. He relayed everything through the Mediation Specialist. Finally he came on the line. I pointed out the eBay's Condition of returned items, which clearly said "the buyer must return all of the items sent in a return that was sent to them including manuals, etc. in the same condition as sent out.  I pointed out that I had to pay to get the game professionally cleaned because of the smoke. eBay said the Refund was issued and they would not help me get back the instructions.  "What do you want?," he asked. I said I want the instructions back and what I had to pay to get the game cleaned, which was a token amount. He said, we'll refund the token amount to me within 48 hours. Guess what? No refund for that to me. Well, needless to say, like you I am totally discouraged with selling on eBay. Shopping may be easy, most of the time, but selling isn't. 

As to your case, your issue has probably come and gone by now.  For future reference, eBay does have a time period in which the buyer can do a return, which is 30 days. You said a month passed. Not that eBay will help you, but if it was past 30 days, I would appeal it.  As to your questions, I hope nothing like that happens. The problem eBay sellers have is this: the customer is always right. The customer is always right. More so, as more experienced sellers will tell you, eBay has no way in knowing what you sent her and what she sent you back. You need proof. Yes, an unbiased witness like the mail carrier wouldn't hurt. Photos with the item with the carrier wouldn't hurt either. Would it help? Good question, I don't know. I've heard a few (very few) cases where the seller did win because they had proof to show eBay. I had a receipt for professionally cleaning the returned game, but I don't have the refund from eBay, so that is not evidence. 

In my case, and yours, on the return page, eBay says to "click here" if there is a problem with your return in order to have eBay step in and "help" you. I telephoned eBay but they didn't help me. Four different persons there all gave me the same story contrary to what was actually going to happen. I tried to protect myself. It didn't work.

I really wish you the best with the Tiffany earrings. I do have a question, how do you know they were authentic Tiffany earrings you bought? Do you have any kind of store receipt that says that? That might help. If not, and you do lose your case, the best I can say is accept it and move on. Complain to eBay corporate office about the need for seller protection. Complain to everyone in authority you can. Just don't let it be the center of your universe. Do what you can to help others, what feels right to you, then move on. Life is too short to take eBay seriously. Face it, it's just a big garage sale where most buyers want to get the most they can from sellers without necessarily paying for it. Personally, I would never, ever sell anything really valuable on eBay. And our experiences are the reason why.

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@cjk-cn wrote:

 But if ebay never steps in to protect sellers, why would I ever sell here again?

 

Thx for reading, I appreciate any insights.


First, you say "month after the sale".  If the return request is being made more than 30 days after the receipt of the item, then you do not have to take back the return (although the buyer could also make a claim through PayPal or their Credit Card company).

 

Second, if this is under 30-days after the receipt, then this is a Money Back Guarantee claim and you have to take back the merchandise.  Go ahead and accept the return, and wait for it to arrive before panicking ... there is a good chance that this is a buyer's remorse return, and since you don't have a return policy, then the only way for them to force a return is to be dishonest.   So, I would expect to get back what you sent.

 

Third, if it does come back somehow damaged or incomplete or substituted, your next step would be to call up eBay and plead your side of the story ... if you lose the case, you can appeal and hopefully talk with someone more senior.  There is a chance that eBay will cover you (particularly if the buyer has a history of bad behavior).

 

Finally, if the buyer is being dishonest or scamming you, make sure that you report the user's behavior to eBay.

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however Ebay will do nothing to buyer even if you report the. Also if you even ask Ebay for assistance you will get a BIG defect.
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@oaklandmaryland wrote:
however Ebay will do nothing to buyer even if you report the. Also if you even ask Ebay for assistance you will get a BIG defect.

True, the buyer still gets refunded  ... but, eBay removes the seller defect if they agree that the return was faulty.

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@orangehound wrote:

@oaklandmaryland wrote:
however Ebay will do nothing to buyer even if you report the. Also if you even ask Ebay for assistance you will get a BIG defect.

True, the buyer still gets refunded  ... but, eBay removes the seller defect if they agree that the return was faulty.


A punishment/reward scenario not often worth fighting for.

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Sometimes things don't long survive transit.

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