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Shipping included in final value fees

I feel sorta silly asking this, but I just realized that the cost of shipping an item is also added  to  the item itself and calculated with the 12.9% fee , along with final value fee. I knew 12.9% was calculated with tax added, but not the cost of shipping too! My question is if I offer free shipping, will my cost I have to pay for shipping be calculated with the 12.9%? I don't even use Ebay shipping.

Thanks!

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No.  eBay's final value fee was charged on the total amount the buyer paid the seller.

It was NOT charged on the "net proceeds".  

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@soh.maryl wrote:

The FVF has been calculated on shipping as well as item price for at least 10 years, probably more. 


Phased in during 2011.

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@Anonymous wrote:

Of course it does.

 

eBay gives non Top Rated sellers the commercial rate plus $50 insurance and Top Rated sellers the commercial rate less a further discount plus $100 insurance. Higher shipping costs mean a higher amount paid by the buyer and thus higher fees from eBay - the whole point of their free shipping scam.


Labels purchased on eBay are for the "online sipping label" rate.  (top rated gets an eBay 3% perk on Priority )The insurance coverage on Priority has been changed to, "up to $100" by USPS.

 

Free shipping is not a "scam". ( well, it sort of is) Buyers have been conditioned by "online buying" from many sites to expect shipping to be "free".

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Free shipping is a scam by eBay to create more income for eBay.

 

In order to offer free shipping you must bake the highest possible shipping rate into the price of your item. That will mean Zone 7, 8, or 9 rates for USPS depending on your shipping preferences and what you exclude. If you don't you stand to loose money on shipping and even the entire transaction. That means more fees for you.

 

You will be forcing all buyers to pay the highest shipping costs. Since eBay charges FVF on shipping you will also have to increase the price of the item by the FVF you will be paying on that shipping which you've now hidden in the price of the item. The easiest way to do that is  to increase the price of the item by the retail rate while you pay the commercial rate, with the difference paying the FVF now built into the price of the item.

 

Any buyer in a state that does not charges sales tax on shipping will now be forced to pay more sales tax because you've included in the shipping amount. That means more fees for you.

 

If you listed the same item as someone else who uses calculated shipping then your item will have a higher price and be less likely to sell. Do you think buyers are too stupid not to sort items by total cost? Are you assuming buyers will simply buy your higher priced item because its got free shipping?

 

You will also have to edit all your listings with free shipping each time rates go up.

 

Actually do the math on some items using calculated versus free shipping.

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Of course it was, but that is not the actual percentage you are paying!

 

I changed the word "on" to "for" so you can better understand the concept.

 

$3.38 / $11.00 = 30.72% eBay Fees

 

eBay charged a fee of $3.38 for net proceeds of $7.62.

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1. Again, the FVF is charged on the item price, the shipping fee and the state sales tax, if any.

That is not the same as charging it on the net proceeds.

2.  Why would buyers who live in a state that has no state sales tax be forced to pay "more sales tax".  They are not required to pay any state sales tax if they live in such a state.

3. If I list my item for $10 plus $10 shipping and sell to a state with no state sales tax, my FVF will be the same as if I listed it for $20 with free shipping.

This will be my last message on the topic.  

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"The actual percentage you pay to eBay is higher [than] the stated category FVF."

Incorrect.  Here are the first three sentences in the portion of eBay's User Agreement which explains calculation of the Final Value Fee.  I have bolded the part that I think you are having trouble understanding:

         "
We charge one final value fee when your item sells, and you don't have to worry about third-party payment processing fees.
          This fee is calculated as a percentage of the total amount of the sale, plus $0.30 per order.

          The total amount of the sale includes the item price, any handling charges, the shipping service the buyer selects, sales tax, and any other applicable fees."

We continue to see posts from sellers here in the Shipping forum and the Selling forum who insist on repeating that eBay's fees are truly greater than what eBay "states" or advertises.  

Those posters have failed, in my opinion, to read and understand this simple language: 
". . . a percentage of the total amount of the sale . . . ."  

Now -- having said that, and tried to help people understand that for a couple years now -- in e-v-e-r-y eBay listing, there is usually only one "known":  The price of the item.  (Some sellers often include a handling charge, which is also a "known.")  Even in an auction, the seller can sit back and (ideally) watch the bids pile up until the auction ends.  At that moment, the seller knows only the amount of the winning bid.  (Plus, maybe, his handling charge.)  

"Unknowns", therefore, are (1) whether and how much sales tax the buyer will be required to pay, and (2) the exact amount of postage or other shipping costs, due to variables such as whether the parties agree to in -person delivery or the buyer chooses to pay more for a faster delivery method.   

It seems like human nature to work with only the "knowns" and not pay as much attention to the "unknowns."  

SO !!  What many sellers choose to do is keep an estimated fee percentage in their heads.  They estimate the percentage of the item price, the only "known" in the equation of many sales.  I have seen sellers post that they estimate fees to be around 20% to 25%.  In my experience (as my selling ID), I estimate my fees will be about 30% of the item's listed price -- this also helps me decide on the price I want to set for any Thing.   If I end up with more than 70% of the Thing's listed price, so much the better.  But I have estimated eBay's fee to be about 30% of the listed price.  

These estimated fee percentages, by definition of "estimate", do not equal eBay's stated/advertised FVF percentages.  Estimated fee percentages only serve to help sellers have an estimated idea of what their net earnings from eBay will be.  

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I think it is a rip off to be charged a "value fee" on the shipping the buyer pays

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Re: Shipping included in final value fees

Hello Everyone,

Due to the age of the thread, it has been closed to further replies. Please feel free to start a new thread if you wish to continue discussing this topic.

Thanks for understanding!

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